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[Patch 4.18] Sion Reborn General Discussion

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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 08 2014 21:38 GMT
#1
Welcome to the Patch General Discussion thread for the League of Legends subforum. This thread is for discussion around League of Legends and the most recent patch. Free feel to talk about anything LoL related here that does not already have its own thread. While posting standards tend to be rather lax in this thread, pointless spam will not be tolerated.

Off-topic dicsussion should go in the Off-topic Discussion Thread.

Certain topics are blacklisted from LoL General Discussion and they include:
  • "Elo hell"
  • The Tribunal
  • Bans, either from TL.net or LoL
  • "What is a tank" (and other vague monikers)
  • Unjustified game theory
  • lomo

Additionally, the TL LoL Ten Commandments are available for you to reference if you have any questions about this subforum.

Use the LoL Strategy subforum if you have game or champion specific questions. Lastly, confine QQing and bragging to their respective threads.


Patch 4.18: Live on October 9th, 2014
+ Show Spoiler [Patch Notes] +
Champions

Sion
Sion, the Undead Juggernaut, will be released with the launch of 4.18. Check out his reveal for gameplay info, his insights article for a look at his development, or his teaser for a glimpse into his story.

Akali
No more bonus resistances when Akali is in her shroud, but now whenever she stealths she gets a significant movement speed boost.
W - Twilight Shroud
NEW: NOW WITH MORE NINJA Twilight Shroud now gives +20/40/60/80/100% movement speed each time Akali stealths, rapidly decaying over the course of 1 second
REMOVED: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE Akali no longer gains bonus armor and magic resistance while in Twilight Shroud

Anivia
Q - Flash Frost
NEW: STUNNING INDICATORS Flash Frost now has a cast indicator to show stun range
NEW: STUNNING CLARITY Flash Frost now has an icy cloud around its particle to show stun range (only the Anivia player can see this)

Azir
Passive - Shurima's Legacy
Fixed a bug where two Azirs were able to summon a Sun Disc from the same interactive clicker
Fixed a bug where other players were able to target the Sun Disc interactive clicker with abilities (e.g. Lee Sin's Safeguard) or were told they could click on it and then couldn't and then became sad.
Reduced the clickable size of the Sun Disc interactive clickers by 20%

Q - Conquering Sands
Fixed a bug where moving inactive soldiers into active combat range with Conquering Sands would fail to activate their attacks properly, leading to 0 damage attacks
Fixed a bug where Azir's sand soldiers would fail to cross a wall if they were just a little short of it

W - Arise!
Fixed a bug where multiple soldiers attacking multiple targets would often lead to soldiers incorrectly applying reduced damage. Reiterating here: this is a pretty big 'buff' fix.
Fixed a bug where dancing would break Azir's soldier's basic attacks

E - Shifting Sands
NEW: If Azir uses Shifting Sands on a soldier currently moving via Conquering Sands, he'll now join the soldier on a combined magical journey
Fixed a bug where Azir wouldn't shift to the correct soldier in certain situations
Fixed a bug where pressing E immediately after pressing W would occasionally not work. Feel free to W+E away now (or try W+Q+E for an even cooler combo)!

R - Emperor's Divide
Fixed many bugs with Emperor's Divide. This ability should no longer:
Deal damage multiple times
Multi-bounce targets
Pin targets to walls
Fail to bounce targets to the far side of the wall
Not break channels
Break spell shields and still knock enemies back
And more!

Ezreal
Passive - Rising Spell Force
BUFF DURATION 5 seconds ⇒ 6 seconds

Q - Mystic Shot
TOTAL ATTACK DAMAGE RATIO 1.0 ⇒ 1.1

Gangplank
R - Cannon Barrage: Cannonballs now fall in waves that damage the whole zone once per second. Individual cannonballs no longer have individual damage zones.
COOLDOWN 120/115/110 seconds ⇒ 125/110/95 seconds

Kha'Zix
W - Void Spike
DAMAGE 75/115/155/195/235 ⇒ 80/110/140/170/200

Lucian
E - Relentless Pursuit
COST 0 mana ⇒ 40/30/20/10/0 mana

Nunu
R - Absolute Zero
ABSOLUTE CLARITY Absolute Zero's tooltip now shows the minimum damage it will deal

Talon
E - Cutthroat
WHOOPS Cutthroat now properly grants assists

Tristana
Q - Rapid Fire
DURATION 7 seconds ⇒ 5 seconds
BONUS ATTACK SPEED Now gives 30/45/60/75/90% attack speed ⇒ 30/50/70/90/110% attack speed

Viktor
Q - Siphon Power
SORRY AD VIKTOR The bonus Discharge magic damage can no longer critically strike
BUGFIX Viktor's shield will now properly break when Viktor takes small amounts of damage

Wukong
E - Nimbus Strike
WUJU STYLE? Nimbus Strike will no longer pick a secondary target if they're targetable but invisible due to Fog of War

Yasuo
BASE HEALTH 512 ⇒ 462
BASE MOVEMENT SPEED 350 ⇒ 340

Mass Texture Rebalance (Part 2)
The following textures have been updated:

Blitzcrank
Base, Boom Boom, Definitely Not Blitzcrank, Goalkeeper, Piltover, Rusty

Brand
Base, Apocalyptic, Cryocore, Vandal

Evelynn
Base, Masquerade, Shadow, Tango

Graves
Hired Gun

Nocturne
Base, Frozen, Haunting, Ravager, Void

Olaf
Base, Brolaf, Forsaken, Glacial


Splash Updates
The following champions have received updated base splashes (click the names for the full image!):
Cho'Gath
Kog'Maw
Lee Sin


Items
Randuin's Omen
WARNING: Due to a bug, this change is currently not in effect (the tooltip is simply wrong, it's still 10%). We'll be looking to hotfix this when we can and will update the patch notes accordingly. Sorry!

ATTACK SPEED REDUCTION 10% ⇒ 15%

Featured Game Modes
Our next featured game mode, Hexakill: Twisted Treeline, will be released later this patch!

In-Game Announcement Banners
CLARITY Announcements have been scaled down a bit and moved higher up on the screen
MORE CLARITY Increased the transparency of announcement background effects
EVEN MORE CLARITY Summoner names have been removed from some announcements for brevity. Killing spree callouts retain them for bragging purposes.

In-Game Options Menu
Added a new volume slider for pings
Added a new volume slider for ambience (ex. red buff's campfire and the wind on Howling Abyss)

In-Game Announcement Banners
Pando Media Booster has been removed from the installer and patcher
Players with Pando Media Booster on their computers will be prompted to remove it with a single click

Suggested Players
PREMADE FACILITATION The Suggested Players invite list in premade lobbies now recommends friends of friends who are currently online and available for a game

Bugfixes
(Fixed during 4.17) Resolved a significant source of crashes introduced last patch which predominantly affected Mac players. This won't solve every crash, but we remain committed to fixing as many issues as possible in every patch.
A lot of Azir fixes. Head back up to his section for the full list!
Garen's R - Demacian Justice will no longer cancel itself if the target enters the fog of war while Garen is mid-cast
Undoing a Ruby Sightstone purchase no longer interferes with Sightstone's ability to place wards
Abilities blocked by spell shields no longer proc life steal or spell vamp
Improved Soraka Bot's AI to better accommodate for her gameplay update
Soraka once again has recommended items on ARAM


Upcoming Skins
Dunkmaster Darius
Championship Shyvana
Ravenborn LeBlanc
Underworld Wukong


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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 08 2014 21:41 GMT
#2
This place smells funny
It's your boy Guzma!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
October 08 2014 21:43 GMT
#3
Shouldn't be thread named Patch 4.18?
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 08 2014 21:44 GMT
#4
Smell of Sion!

Haven't played him yet but I think the new Sion looks great. Riot even captured his old life steal in a non-broken way
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
October 08 2014 21:50 GMT
#5
On October 09 2014 06:43 739 wrote:
Shouldn't be thread named Patch 4.18?

I see nothing wrong.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35158 Posts
October 08 2014 21:51 GMT
#6
On October 09 2014 06:50 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 06:43 739 wrote:
Shouldn't be thread named Patch 4.18?

I see nothing wrong.

The perspective on the trash bin really bothers me.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 08 2014 21:55 GMT
#7
Wasn't that a FE picture?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 21:58:17
October 08 2014 21:57 GMT
#8
Requizen wrote:

Randomness is not a comeback mechanic.


Randomness is a comeback mechanic*, its just not a very good one because it sucks to play with and against.

If you're ahead, more randomness always increases the likelihood that you will lose and similarly less randomness increases it. The same is true the other way around.

*excepting random mechanics which have selection options. Those are neutral with regards to the strength of the teams but still bad mechanics.
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
October 08 2014 21:57 GMT
#9
I think I'll have to buy Sion
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 08 2014 21:59 GMT
#10
Moonbear's closers are always a little different.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35158 Posts
October 08 2014 22:01 GMT
#11
On October 09 2014 06:57 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
Requizen wrote:

Randomness is not a comeback mechanic.


Randomness is a comeback mechanic*, its just not a very good one because it sucks to play with and against.

If you're ahead, more randomness always increases the likelihood that you will lose and similarly less randomness increases it. The same is true the other way around.

*excepting random mechanics which have selection options. Those are neutral with regards to the strength of the teams but still bad mechanics.

Crit is a comeback mechanic confirmed.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 08 2014 22:04 GMT
#12
On October 09 2014 07:01 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 06:57 Goumindong wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Randomness is not a comeback mechanic.


Randomness is a comeback mechanic*, its just not a very good one because it sucks to play with and against.

If you're ahead, more randomness always increases the likelihood that you will lose and similarly less randomness increases it. The same is true the other way around.

*excepting random mechanics which have selection options. Those are neutral with regards to the strength of the teams but still bad mechanics.

Crit is a comeback mechanic confirmed.

Dodge was a comeback mechanic.
It's your boy Guzma!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
October 08 2014 22:14 GMT
#13
i guess its better that lucians e sometimes costs mana
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 08 2014 22:17 GMT
#14
On October 09 2014 07:01 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 06:57 Goumindong wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Randomness is not a comeback mechanic.


Randomness is a comeback mechanic*, its just not a very good one because it sucks to play with and against.

If you're ahead, more randomness always increases the likelihood that you will lose and similarly less randomness increases it. The same is true the other way around.

*excepting random mechanics which have selection options. Those are neutral with regards to the strength of the teams but still bad mechanics.

Crit is a comeback mechanic confirmed.


It is. If there is no crit the probability that the losing teams ADC does more damage than the winning teams ADC is roughly zero. If there is crit, even when the winning ADC has more crit than the losing ADC the probability is non-zero.

Crit will turn some fights that the loser should have lost into fights they win.

Crit also has the negative aspect of selection in lane (that is, if you get a lucky crit in lane you can choose to all-in/hard zone after this because the likelihood you will lose is exceptionally small. Whomever gets the first crit effectively wins the lane).

The 1% crit rune is a strong option for this reason. Suppose that you pick the 1% crit rune and your opponent does not. You're still trading relatively equally, equally enough that its hard to shove you out of lane on their .97 AD advantage. With 1% crit over 10 attacks the probability you will land at least 1 crit is 9.4%. Over 20 attacks its 18.2%. So if you take a 1% crit rune and expect to trade roughly 20 auto attacks in a lane you can expect that your 1% crit rune will flat win you the lane for free about 18.2% of the time.(supposing they don't have a crit rune as well, in which case its 50/50 for first crit)

Crit is an exceptionally bad mechanic in league it absolutely should be removed
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 22:32:08
October 08 2014 22:27 GMT
#15
Shyvana? I thought it was going to be Morg...

edit: I done goofed. Thanks Goumindong.
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 08 2014 22:28 GMT
#16
On October 09 2014 07:27 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shyvana? I thought it was going to be Morg...


Shyvanna is the championship skin for being at worlds. Morgana is the victorious skin for being gold or better
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 08 2014 22:40 GMT
#17
On October 09 2014 07:17 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 07:01 Gahlo wrote:
On October 09 2014 06:57 Goumindong wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Randomness is not a comeback mechanic.


Randomness is a comeback mechanic*, its just not a very good one because it sucks to play with and against.

If you're ahead, more randomness always increases the likelihood that you will lose and similarly less randomness increases it. The same is true the other way around.

*excepting random mechanics which have selection options. Those are neutral with regards to the strength of the teams but still bad mechanics.

Crit is a comeback mechanic confirmed.


It is. If there is no crit the probability that the losing teams ADC does more damage than the winning teams ADC is roughly zero. If there is crit, even when the winning ADC has more crit than the losing ADC the probability is non-zero.

Crit will turn some fights that the loser should have lost into fights they win.

Crit also has the negative aspect of selection in lane (that is, if you get a lucky crit in lane you can choose to all-in/hard zone after this because the likelihood you will lose is exceptionally small. Whomever gets the first crit effectively wins the lane).

The 1% crit rune is a strong option for this reason. Suppose that you pick the 1% crit rune and your opponent does not. You're still trading relatively equally, equally enough that its hard to shove you out of lane on their .97 AD advantage. With 1% crit over 10 attacks the probability you will land at least 1 crit is 9.4%. Over 20 attacks its 18.2%. So if you take a 1% crit rune and expect to trade roughly 20 auto attacks in a lane you can expect that your 1% crit rune will flat win you the lane for free about 18.2% of the time.(supposing they don't have a crit rune as well, in which case its 50/50 for first crit)

Crit is an exceptionally bad mechanic in league it absolutely should be removed

By this logic, why not 2% crit? 3% crit? 9 crit chance marks means that over 20 AA's you have an 83.6% chance of a crit.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 22:43:02
October 08 2014 22:42 GMT
#18
On October 09 2014 07:40 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 07:17 Goumindong wrote:
On October 09 2014 07:01 Gahlo wrote:
On October 09 2014 06:57 Goumindong wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Randomness is not a comeback mechanic.


Randomness is a comeback mechanic*, its just not a very good one because it sucks to play with and against.

If you're ahead, more randomness always increases the likelihood that you will lose and similarly less randomness increases it. The same is true the other way around.

*excepting random mechanics which have selection options. Those are neutral with regards to the strength of the teams but still bad mechanics.

Crit is a comeback mechanic confirmed.


It is. If there is no crit the probability that the losing teams ADC does more damage than the winning teams ADC is roughly zero. If there is crit, even when the winning ADC has more crit than the losing ADC the probability is non-zero.

Crit will turn some fights that the loser should have lost into fights they win.

Crit also has the negative aspect of selection in lane (that is, if you get a lucky crit in lane you can choose to all-in/hard zone after this because the likelihood you will lose is exceptionally small. Whomever gets the first crit effectively wins the lane).

The 1% crit rune is a strong option for this reason. Suppose that you pick the 1% crit rune and your opponent does not. You're still trading relatively equally, equally enough that its hard to shove you out of lane on their .97 AD advantage. With 1% crit over 10 attacks the probability you will land at least 1 crit is 9.4%. Over 20 attacks its 18.2%. So if you take a 1% crit rune and expect to trade roughly 20 auto attacks in a lane you can expect that your 1% crit rune will flat win you the lane for free about 18.2% of the time.(supposing they don't have a crit rune as well, in which case its 50/50 for first crit)

Crit is an exceptionally bad mechanic in league it absolutely should be removed

By this logic, why not 2% crit? 3% crit? 9 crit chance marks means that over 20 AA's you have an 83.6% chance of a crit.

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/rune/userName=fnatic puszu

Look at third rune page.When in doubt of your skill pray.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 22:44:12
October 08 2014 22:43 GMT
#19
Researching that question led me to create this runes quiz:

1) What are the five Quints for which there are no equivalent non-Quints?

2) What are the two non-Quints for which there are no equivalent Quints?

3) What are the seven runes that do not exist in level 1 / level 2 form?
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-08 22:46:37
October 08 2014 22:45 GMT
#20
Anyone else find it weird that Sion and Azir the 2 most recent developments seem to have clunky gameplay mechanics compared to some of their other recent releases?
On October 09 2014 07:40 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 07:17 Goumindong wrote:
On October 09 2014 07:01 Gahlo wrote:
On October 09 2014 06:57 Goumindong wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Randomness is not a comeback mechanic.


Randomness is a comeback mechanic*, its just not a very good one because it sucks to play with and against.

If you're ahead, more randomness always increases the likelihood that you will lose and similarly less randomness increases it. The same is true the other way around.

*excepting random mechanics which have selection options. Those are neutral with regards to the strength of the teams but still bad mechanics.

Crit is a comeback mechanic confirmed.


It is. If there is no crit the probability that the losing teams ADC does more damage than the winning teams ADC is roughly zero. If there is crit, even when the winning ADC has more crit than the losing ADC the probability is non-zero.

Crit will turn some fights that the loser should have lost into fights they win.

Crit also has the negative aspect of selection in lane (that is, if you get a lucky crit in lane you can choose to all-in/hard zone after this because the likelihood you will lose is exceptionally small. Whomever gets the first crit effectively wins the lane).

The 1% crit rune is a strong option for this reason. Suppose that you pick the 1% crit rune and your opponent does not. You're still trading relatively equally, equally enough that its hard to shove you out of lane on their .97 AD advantage. With 1% crit over 10 attacks the probability you will land at least 1 crit is 9.4%. Over 20 attacks its 18.2%. So if you take a 1% crit rune and expect to trade roughly 20 auto attacks in a lane you can expect that your 1% crit rune will flat win you the lane for free about 18.2% of the time.(supposing they don't have a crit rune as well, in which case its 50/50 for first crit)

Crit is an exceptionally bad mechanic in league it absolutely should be removed

By this logic, why not 2% crit? 3% crit? 9 crit chance marks means that over 20 AA's you have an 83.6% chance of a crit.

the idea is to have access to the ability with 1%, the rest of the % are no longer gold efficient.
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