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[Patch 4.10] Nidalee/Skarner Rework General Discussion

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NeoIllusions
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Welcome to the Patch General Discussion thread for the League of Legends subforum. This thread is for discussion around League of Legends and the most recent patch. Free feel to talk about anything LoL related here that does not already have its own thread. While posting standards tend to be rather lax in this thread, pointless spam will not be tolerated.

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There is no new champion this patch.

Patch 4.10: Live on June 18th, 2014
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Champions







Nidalee



With her oppressively high spear damage and catlike (maybe just cat-ish) elusiveness, Nidalee's been a contentious low-risk, low-interaction champion for quite some time. Specifically, old Nidalee's gameplay often revolved around the question of "when should I stop throwing spears?" to which the answer was typically "never."


To that end, our goals with this Nidalee gameplay update are to tone down some of her many frustration points while also giving her more options other than chucking projectiles. We also saw this as a great opportunity to cement Nidalee as a real shapeshifting huntress, which meant stronger ties from her human form to her cougar form. Additionally, by connecting Nidalee's offense with cougar form, she now has to balance her high escape potential against her ability to hunt down squishy targets ("Leap away or leap at their face?"). There's certainly more counterplay (and teamplay for those playing around Nidalee engages) when a cougar goes flying into the backline versus a single nuclear-tipped spear.



Visuals



PRETTY New icons have been added for all abilities


CLARITY Added a new particle to distinguish "Hunted" opponents


CLARITY Javelin Toss visuals adjusted for better readability


CLARITY Bushwack ground visual indicator improved to be more noticeable



General



KITTY All of Nidalee's cougar form abilities scale with ranks in R - Aspect of the Cougar



Passive - Prowl



MOVEMENT Moving through brush increases Nidalee's movement speed by 10% for 2 seconds, increased to 30% toward visible enemy champions within a range of 5500.


HUNTED Damaging champions with Javelin Toss or Bushwhack marks them as 'Hunted' for 4 seconds, granting Nidalee vision of them, 30% increased movement speed toward them (within a range of 5500) and enhancing her next Takedown, Pounce, and Swipe against them.



Q - Javelin Toss



Nidalee tosses her javelin, dealing magic damage. If it exceeds her basic attack range it gains damage based on distance flown, up to a cap at 80% of its additional range.



HUNTED Applies the 'Hunted' debuff to champions for 4 seconds


RANGE 1500 units (damage caps out at 1300)


MINIMUM MAGIC DAMAGE 50/75/100/125/150 (+0.4 ability power)


MAXIMUM MAGIC DAMAGE 150/225/300/375/450 (+1.2 ability power)


COST 50/60/70/80/90 mana


COOLDOWN 6 seconds


WIDTH Missile width 60 ⇒ 30



W - Bushwhack



Nidalee lays a Bushwhack trap. When an enemy springs the trap, they are revealed in addition to taking damage over 4 seconds.



HUNTED Applies the 'Hunted' debuff to champions for 4 seconds


MAGIC DAMAGE 20/40/60/80/100 + 12/14/16/18/20% current health (+1% per 50 ability power) over the duration of 4 seconds


DURATION 2 minutes


COST 40/45/50/55/60 mana


COOLDOWN 17/15/13/11/9 seconds


CLARITY Only affects one target per trap



E - Primal Surge



Nidalee heals a target ally champion and grants them bonus attack speed for 6 seconds.



HEAL 45/85/125/165/205 (+0.5 ability power)


ATTACK SPEED BONUS 20/30/40/50/60% attack speed


COST 60/80/100/120/140 mana


COOLDOWN 12 seconds



R - Aspect Of The Cougar



Nidalee transforms into a vicious cougar with the abilities Takedown, Pounce, and Swipe. Rawr.



RANKS Aspect of the Cougar has 4 ranks and Nidalee starts the game with 1 rank in it


COST No cost


COOLDOWN 3 seconds



Q - Takedown



Nidalee's next attack deals magic damage. Takedown deals additional damage to targets at lower health, up to 250% total damage.



HUNTED BONUS The first Takedown targeting a 'Hunted' champion deals +33% increased damage


UTILITY Nidalee gains +75 attack range for the Takedown attack


MINIMUM MAGIC DAMAGE 4/20/50/90 (+0.24 ability power)


MAXIMUM MAGIC DAMAGE 10/50/125/225 (+0.6 ability power)


COST No cost


COOLDOWN 5 seconds



W - Pounce



Nidalee lunges forward a short distance, dealing magic damage to enemies in the landing area.



HUNTED BONUS The first Pounce directly towards a 'Hunted' champions will have up to 700 range


UTILITY Killing a unit in cougar form reduces the cooldown of Pounce to 1 second


UTILITY Nidalee now pounces in the direction of the player's cursor


MAGIC DAMAGE 50/100/150/200 (+0.3 ability power)


COST No cost


COOLDOWN 5 seconds



E - Swipe



Nidalee claws at enemies, dealing magic damage in an area in front of her.



HUNTED BONUS The first Swipe that damages a 'Hunted' champion reduces the cooldown of Pounce to 1 second


UTILITY Nidalee now swipes in the direction of the player's cursor


MAGIC DAMAGE 70/130/190/250 (+0.45 ability power)


COST No cost


COOLDOWN 5 seconds



R - Aspect Of The Cougar



Nidalee transforms back into a human. Meow.



RANKS Aspect of the Cougar has 4 ranks and Nidalee starts the game with 1 rank in it


COST No cost



COOLDOWN 3 seconds









Skarner



Crystal Slash now gives Skarner Movement Speed per stack of Crystal Energy. Skarner's passive has been replaced with one that allows him to stun targets when he builds up spell hits on them.



And we're back with our second Skarner update! We've spoken at length about getting Skarner to a more exciting place since our initial changes in 4.2, but we needed to make sure we were giving him a stronger identity without bringing back his old gameplay issues (particularly his 'feast or famine' problem where he'd either succeed really hard or he'd get squished without contributing much to a fight).


In approaching these changes, we heard a lot of your feedback about getting Skarner closer to his old role as a sticky crowd-control focused tank-bug (arachnid, whatever) and less of a damage-dealing scorpion duelist. Ultimately these changes should give Skarner a stronger identity as a disruptive tank while also giving him more opportunities to peel in a team fight, even if he's behind. We've obviously had to tune back some of Skarner's offensive powers to give him that extra annoyance, but this time around he should feel closer to his old lonesome self.



Visuals



SHINY SKARNER Updated textures for base and all skins. Skarner also now has specular maps, making him all shiny-like


MORE SHINY Added new particles for Skarner's W and his new passive


EVEN MORE SHINY New icons have been added for all abilities



newPassive - Crystallizing Sting



CRYSTAL VENOM Skarner's damaging spells apply a 'Crystal Venom' debuff to enemy Champions and large monsters for 5 seconds


UTILITY If Skarner lands a basic attack on a target with 3 stacks of 'Crystal Venom', he will deal an additional 20-105 magic damage and stun the target for 0.5/0.75/1 second


CRYSTAL VENOM After being stunned, targets cannot be debuffed by Crystal Venom for 6 seconds



Q - Crystal Slash



newUTILITY Basic attacks reduce Crystal Slash's cooldown by 0.5 seconds (doubled against Champions)


newCRYSTAL ENERGY Crystal Energy now additionally grants +3/4/5/6/7% movement speed per stack (up to 3 stacks)


BASE PHYSICAL DAMAGE 25/40/55/70/85 (+0.8 attack damage) ⇒ 20/32/44/56/68 (+0.4 attack damage)


BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE 24/36/48/60/72 (+0.4 ability power) ⇒ 20/32/44/56/68 (+0.2 ability power)



W - Crystalline Exoskeleton



COOLDOWN 16 seconds at all ranks ⇒ 13/12.5/12/11.5/11 seconds



E - Fracture



MAGIC DAMAGE 80/120/160/200/240 (+0.7 ability power) ⇒ 40/60/80/100/120 (+0.4 ability power)


COOLDOWN 14 seconds at all ranks ⇒ 12 seconds at all ranks



R - Impale



newIMPALEMENT Impale consumes all stacks of Crystal Venom and deals 50/75/100 magic damage per stack consumed


COOLDOWN 130/120/110 seconds ⇒ 110/100/90 seconds









Galio



Magic resistance per level for Galio has been commonly requested by gargoyle fans around the world and, given our nerf to Athene's Unholy Grail (an item typically considered 'core' on Galio), we figured we could give him a thicker skin.


General



MAGIC RESISTANCE PER LEVEL 0 ⇒ 1.25









Gragas



Graggy's gotten better at drinking under fire. This change means Gragas will only have to worry about losing the damage buff if he's interrupted mid-drink, but he'll feel better about using W to tank out a brawl.



W - Drunken Rage



newFERMENTED Gragas no longer loses the damage reduction if he is interrupted during his drink


CLARITY Updated tooltip to specify that the percentage damage against monsters is capped at 250









Karthus



We're following up Karthus' visual update with a couple bug fixes and late additions. We're also continuing to keep an eye the on the readability of Karthus' spells.


BUGFIX Fixed a bug where Lay Waste appeared to give more vision than it actually did


BUGFIX Wall of Pain's VO will no longer be interrupted by movement commands


SWAG Added the screech of a certain bird of prey to Statue of Karthus' dance


CLARITY Requiem's visual effects are now more noticeable, so you can properly resign yourself to death









LeBlanc



No more silence. Only tears.



LeBlanc's a champion who has a lot of power associated with her character - omnidirectional movement, high burst damage, precise target selection, a cool hat - so it's been difficult to give her meaningful counterplay without directly hurting that identity. We're taking a more deliberate approach here because we want LeBlanc to remain an exciting champion to play and watch, but removing the silence on Q means at least her opponents can fight back when she's QRWEing (or WQREing or WRQEing for those long range fancy plays) around the fight. That said, LeBlanc will definitely stay on our radar as we track how she's performing post-change.



Q - Sigil of Malice



NAME Sigil of Silence ⇒ Sigil of Malice


removedSILENCE No longer silences target









Lucian



At higher levels of play, Lucian tends to be a master-of-all-trades marksman with his strong damage in lane, high mobility, decent scaling, and general safety in teamfights. With the new AD itemization changes, however, we don't want to implement bigger modifications with so much in the air. At this point in time we do think Lucian will need some broader changes to give him meaningful weaknesses, but a reduction on W (which was designed for utility as opposed to any form of burst damage) is something we're confident is in line with our potential changes in the future.



W - Ardent Blaze



BONUS ATTACK DAMAGE RATIO 0.6 ⇒ 0.3









Pantheon



As a side note, this might also affect Pantheon's ability to ignite opponents while he's falling through the air.



R - Grand Skyfall



BUGFIX Fixed a bug where Pantheon could use Summoner Spells before landing. Most notably, Flash could be used before landing to reposition Pantheon's landing damage area.









Sivir



While our previous mana cost nerfs accomplished their goal of reducing Sivir's uninteractive laning, they also made her mana pool too limiting in late game team fights, which we're compensating now.



General



BASE MANA 246 ⇒ 250


MANA PER LEVEL 43 ⇒ 50


MANA REGEN PER LEVEL 0.5 mana per 5 seconds ⇒ 0.9 mana per 5 seconds









Thresh



Apparently when Thresh's basic attack was charging up from Flay, it used the wrong buff icon. This change adds... CLARITY!



E - Flay



CLARITY! Now displays the correct buff icon









Tristana



Rocket Jump is cheaper and is more forgiving to use when jumping around / over walls. Buster Shot's range scales with character level.



We're giving Trist some modernization buffs to help emphasize her high moments (STOMP THEM ALL TRIST!). For additional context, the Rocket Jump change doesn't mean you'll make every wall-jump, but it should be more forgiving when used around terrain. If you're still failing wall-jumps, get closer before jumping!



W - Rocket Jump



COST 80 mana at all ranks ⇒ 60 mana at all ranks


UTILITY Now more accurately checks for nearby landing spots when jumping close to, or over, walls



R - Buster Shot



UTILITY Range now scales with level (like Draw a Bead/Explosive Shot)









Tryndamere



ICONS New icons have been added for all abilities









Twitch



Twitch's passive does less damage per second. Twitch can now be delayed from entering stealth (through damage) for much longer than before.



We think Twitch has awesome lategame power, but he's also got a offensively strong early game on top of having a lot of safety throughout. To focus on that safety aspect, Ambush's stealth often let Twitch make an escape even when already caught out by enemies. We do think the new AD itemization changes will benefit the smelly rat, but the focus here is (mostly) to provide some additional counterplay for preventing stealth (hit him in the face!).



General



BASE DAMAGE 52 ⇒ 49



Passive - Deadly Venom



TRUE DAMAGE 2/4/6/8 (at levels 1/6/11/16) ⇒ 1/2/3/4/5/6 (at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16)



Q - Ambush



STEALTH TIMING Time to stealth without taking damage now 1.25 seconds ⇒ 1.5 seconds


STEALTH TIMING WHILE BEING HIT IN THE FACE Maximum time to stealth while taking damage now 3 seconds ⇒ 6 seconds









Zed




R - Death Mark



BUGFIX Zed no longer teleports to a random location if he Death Marks someone who is in the middle of a dash (eg: Xin Zhao's Audacious Charge, etc).





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Offensive Physical Itemization






We've got some major itemization changes this patch with a specific focus on the marksman role as a whole. As we mentioned in the foreword, our goal is to open up the landscape of attack damage and attack speed item choices. In terms of specific challenges, we saw that in the 2014 season, lifesteal was quickly becoming a 'must have' stat for marksmen with Bloodthirster leading the pack. What ends up happening with BT being a dominant buy is that it both heavily favors burst-AD champions and also snowballs lanes toward who can get their BT first. Bloodthirster being the best first purchase also has a secondary effect of reducing a lot of mid to late game marksman power as they're not going for the multiplicative damage stats (crit and attack speed) to punch through the tanky dudes. We also took the opportunity to make other adjustments to items like Warden's Mail / Randuin's Omen so that they're not so straight up mean to auto-attack reliant champions.


What these changes should do is give all marksmen equal build paths forward without one being much, much better than the other. This also allows us to do two neat things:


1.) With the Doran's Blade change, marksmen can tailor their lifesteal needs by picking up multiple DBlades to sustain through the laning phase without having to always commit to an early BT or Blade of the Ruined King.


2.) We can set all end-game marksmen items to build out of a B.F. Sword with 80 attack damage as the baseline. This means when you pick up a B.F. Sword, you know it'll build into a strong end-game item - it's just a matter of deciding which sort of defensive or offensive utility you want to get out of it.








Lifesteal Items



newEssence Reaver



UNIQUE PASSIVE You gain 2-8% of the damage dealt by basic attacks as mana. This effect increases based on how much mana you are missing.


ATTACK DAMAGE +50


LIFESTEAL 10%


COOLDOWN REDUCTION +10%


RECIPE Vampiric Scepter + Pickaxe + 975 gold


TOTAL COST 2650 gold



Doran's Blade



removedLIFE ON HIT Basic attacks no longer restore health on hit


newLIFESTEAL 3%


HEALTH 80 ⇒ 70


ATTACK DAMAGE 8 ⇒ 7



Vampiric Scepter



LIFESTEAL 10% ⇒ 8%



Bilgewater Cutlass



LIFESTEAL 12% ⇒ 8%



Blade of the Ruined King



ACTIVE ABILITY Maximum health damage now 15% ⇒ 10%


ACTIVE ABILITY Active ability now steals 30% movement speed ⇒ 25% movement speed


PASSIVE DAMAGE Current health damage per hit now 5% ⇒ 8%


LIFESTEAL 15% ⇒ 10%



The Bloodthirster



removedBLOODTHIRSTY PASSIVE No longer grants bonus attack damage or lifesteal per unit kill


newBLOODTHIRSTIER PASSIVE Lifesteal can now overheal, granting a bloody shield that absorbs 50-450 damage (based on champion level). This shield decays when out of combat for 15 seconds.


ATTACK DAMAGE 70 ⇒ 80


LIFESTEAL 12% ⇒ 15%


TOTAL COST 3250 gold ⇒ 3500 gold








Attack Damage Items



B. F. Sword



ATTACK DAMAGE 45 ⇒ 50



Infinity Edge



ATTACK DAMAGE 70 ⇒ 80



Mercurial Scimitar



newMERCURIAL PARITY Active ability now gives the movement speed bonus to ranged characters as well


ATTACK DAMAGE 60 ⇒ 80


TOTAL COST 3700 gold ⇒ 3800 gold








Attack Speed Items



Dagger



ATTACK SPEED 12% ⇒ 15%


COST 400 gold ⇒ 450 gold



Berserker's Greaves



ATTACK SPEED 20% ⇒ 25%


TOTAL COST 950 gold ⇒ 1000 gold



Zeal



ATTACK SPEED 18% ⇒ 20%


TOTAL COST 1175 gold ⇒ 1100 gold



Wit's End



ATTACK SPEED 42% ⇒ 50%


TOTAL COST 2400 gold ⇒ 2500 gold



Youmuu's Ghostblade



newYOUMUU'S PARITY Active now lasts for 6 seconds on ranged champions as well (previously lasted only 4 seconds on ranged champions and 6 seconds on melee champions)



Recipe Cleanup


  • The following items have had their recipe costs adjusted due to the Dagger and Zeal price changes, but their total price remains unchanged:
    • Stinger

    • Phantom Dancer

    • Sword of the Divine

    • Madred's Razor

    • Wriggle's Lantern

    • Runaan's Hurricane

    • Trinity Force

    • Statikk Shiv

    • Blade of the Ruined King









Warden's Mail & Randuin's Omen



Warden's Mail



PASSIVE Passive Cold Steel's attack speed reduction now 15% ⇒ 10%



Randuin's Omen



removedPASSIVE Passive Cold Steel no longer reduces attacker's movement speed


PASSIVE Passive Cold Steel's attack speed reduction now 15% ⇒ 10%





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Support & Ability Power Itemization






Support Items



In high level play, Mikael's Crucible was often being rushed as a primary 'core' item on most supports (beyond Sight Stone and a finished gold per 5 item), which meant long-cooldown, heavy engage teams had a lot of problems properly kicking off a teamfight if the enemy simply Mikael'd the caught target to safety. This ends up putting a lot more emphasis on teams who can 'catch' out targets multiple times (Elise, Morgana, etc) so that Mikael's is only useful for one of those cases. A Mikael's in every game also made things doubly sad for utility-focused marksmen like Ashe or Varus who bring big control abilities to the table. Our changes to Mikael's is to push it more toward a mid to late game luxury buy against heavy engage / pick team compositions but isn't so attractive as a purchase that it's found in every game.


This also lets us introduce a new mid-tier support item in the form of Ardent Censer! We're particularly excited about Censer because of all the possibilities it can bring to the support role, particularly the more defensively focused shield / heal champions like Alistar, Janna, Sona, or Soraka.


newArdent Censer



UNIQUE PASSIVE Your heals and shields on another unit grant them +25% Attack Speed for 6 seconds


UNIQUE PASSIVE +8% movement speed


ABILITY POWER +30


MANA REGENERATION 10 mana per 5 seconds


COOLDOWN REDUCTION +10%


TOTAL COST 2200 gold


RECIPE Forbidden Idol + Aether Wisp + 550 gold



Forbidden Idol



TOTAL COST 750 gold ⇒ 700 gold



Mikael's Crucible



TOTAL COST 1600 gold ⇒ 2450 gold


RECIPE Chalice of Harmony + 720 gold ⇒ Chalice of Harmony + Forbidden Idol + 870 gold


MANA REGENERATION 12 mana per 5 seconds ⇒ 20 mana per 5 seconds


COOLDOWN REDUCTION 0% ⇒ 10%



Locket of the Iron Solari



UTILITY Active's shield amount is now calculated using the recipient champion's level if the recipient is a higher level than the item owner








Ability Power Items



With Mikael's going up in cost and offering more mana regeneration / cooldown reduction, we felt we should also take a look at Athene's Unholy Grail, a very cost-efficient item that gives pretty much everything a wave-clearing AP mid laner needs to push all day (looking at you Ziggs). The reason we chose to tune down Athene's defensive stats rather than its offensive power is to make it a little less of a 'perfect' safe pushing item so opponents can potentially find windows of engagement. The buff to Morellonomicon is just to make it feel better as a late-game item.


Athene's Unholy Grail



MAGIC RESIST 40 ⇒ 25


MANA REGENERATION 15 mana per 5 seconds ⇒ 10 mana per 5 seconds


PASSIVE MANA RESTORATION ON KILL / ASSIST 12% ⇒ 15%



Morellonomicon



ABILITY POWER 75 ⇒ 80


MANA REGENERATION 12 mana per 5 seconds ⇒ 10 mana per 5 seconds





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Summoner Spells







Teleport



We're generally happy with what the new Teleport changes are achieving, but it's a little too strong as a lane recovery ability. Particularly in competitive play we were seeing a lot of top laners constantly using Teleport as a way of stagnating the early lane rather than trying to set up for global map pressure.


COOLDOWN Cooldown when teleporting to towers now 200 seconds ⇒ 240 seconds









Heal



With the removal of Randuin's Omen's passive movement speed debuff, we saw that Heal was giving too much additional safety when a marksmen takes on a fighter, so we're tuning Heal down just a bit.


MOVEMENT SPEED BOOST Speed boost duration now 2 seconds ⇒ 1 second









Exhaust



BUGFIX Fixed a bug where Exhaust did not grant assists when used against slow immune targets (who are still affected by the damage reduction effect)





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Masteries







Reinforced Armor



CLARITY Tooltip clarified to state that it reduces the total damage from critical strikes





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Summoner's Rift






Dragon



By slightly raising the base gold reward of dragon, we're hoping to continue to emphasize its value as an early level objective. This also means teams who consistently kick off lane swaps will need to make greater strategic tradeoffs for a safer lane.


BASE GOLD 145 ⇒ 180


GOLD PER LEVEL 15 ⇒ 10





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Bots






With our bot updates in Patch 4.6, we were able to take bots off their purple leash and introduce a little variety to which side players end up on. This has been a great addition for our Co-op vs AI enthusiasts, but it's a little jarring for new players trying to get a handle on how the game is played. In order to meet each group's needs, bots in Beginner Co-op matches will go back to always being the Purple team while Intermediate matches will continue to sometimes give Blue side to the bots.

  • Bots in Beginner-level Co-op vs AI matches will always play from Purple side





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Ranked Duo Queue






We're introducing a new restriction for ranked duo queues so players can only duo queue with teammates ranked within one full tier above or below them. We found that the vast majority of duos are already between players within these thresholds and this change allows us to curb some of the potential abuse cases we saw under the previous matchmaking system.


In the case of unseeded players, the new system will allow for duo queuing with Gold, Silver and Bronze players while their skill level is still being assessed. After they've been placed, the usual restrictions will apply.

  • Players may only queue for ranked duo games with players ranked within one full tier above or below them. For example, a Silver III player may duo with players ranked anywhere from Bronze V to Gold I.

  • Unseeded players who were ranked in solo queue during the previous season will use that rank to determine duo eligibility.

  • Unseeded players who have never been ranked in solo queue are able to duo queue with Gold, Silver or Bronze players.





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Team Builder





  • Captains in Team Builder will now be able to see a list of "Suggested Players" that they are able to invite into their games. We'll be experimenting with this feature to include players that we believe you might have fun experiences with.





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Bugfixes





  • Players who use their keyboards to purchase from the shop should no longer see the shop close when a purchase fails

  • Fixed a bug where players would occasionally need to unlock the camera twice for the setting to apply





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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 17 2014 21:44 GMT
#2
God that sound scared the shit out of me. Should have some warning or something man
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 17 2014 21:45 GMT
#3
On June 18 2014 06:44 Numy wrote:
God that sound scared the shit out of me. Should have some warning or something man

??????

I've been using Darkness to close General Discussions for like half a year now...
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
June 17 2014 21:47 GMT
#4
Moar Pantheon Fix/Nerfs. Getting old.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 17 2014 21:49 GMT
#5
God bless these much needed Nidalee nerfs. And hopefully Skarner is viable again, hes such a fun champion
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
June 17 2014 21:51 GMT
#6
Still can't get over new Karthus icon
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
June 17 2014 21:52 GMT
#7
So looks like no SR VU update just yet, though it wouldn't surprise me if they throw the option to enable the new SR up with this patch and enable it later on after another week or two on PBE.

Otherwise new items, Nidalee nerfs and numbers moved, Skarner reworked (again), and new items. Phreak's doing the math atm on his stream fo the new items and their costs, so I'm gonna look at said numbers in ~3 hours, see if he did them right, and use that as a base of operations on what to buy now for the immediate future. My immediate reaction is that Reaver will be a smoother build path than old BT, but not as good as old BT.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21666 Posts
June 17 2014 21:54 GMT
#8
On June 18 2014 06:52 Kinie wrote:
So looks like no SR VU update just yet, though it wouldn't surprise me if they throw the option to enable the new SR up with this patch and enable it later on after another week or two on PBE.

Otherwise new items, Nidalee nerfs and numbers moved, Skarner reworked (again), and new items. Phreak's doing the math atm on his stream fo the new items and their costs, so I'm gonna look at said numbers in ~3 hours, see if he did them right, and use that as a base of operations on what to buy now for the immediate future. My immediate reaction is that Reaver will be a smoother build path than old BT, but not as good as old BT.

Ehm they said the SR update will not be up until after worlds at the earliest so there is a while to go yet.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
June 17 2014 21:54 GMT
#9
On June 18 2014 06:52 Kinie wrote:
So looks like no SR VU update just yet, though it wouldn't surprise me if they throw the option to enable the new SR up with this patch and enable it later on after another week or two on PBE.


They mentioned that the VU won't be live on tourney realm for World's. So we can expect maybe PBE in August.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 17 2014 21:55 GMT
#10
And you mentioned it twice at the end of the previous thread and people already corrected you, read 'em.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
June 17 2014 21:57 GMT
#11
Neo do you just copy and paste the Opening Post from each General Discussion to the next and just change the patch notes? Or are you a real man and re-type the whole thing?

On-Topic: What do you guys think about the Doran Blade changes and the impact it will have on top lane? I'm a little unsure if it's still going to be good. I'm thinking longsword + 3 health potions might just be a better start.

I guess it depends if you want the +70 health and 3% lifesteal or +3 attack damage and 2 extra health potions.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 17 2014 21:59 GMT
#12
Can't believe they actually went through with that mikaels nerf. So fucking dumb on so many levels.
liftlift > tsm
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 17 2014 21:59 GMT
#13
Ofc he copypastes

Neo isnt that metal
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 17 2014 22:00 GMT
#14
pop the buff abilities for everyone!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 17 2014 22:04 GMT
#15
On June 18 2014 06:57 Frudgey wrote:
Neo do you just copy and paste the Opening Post from each General Discussion to the next and just change the patch notes? Or are you a real man and re-type the whole thing?

On-Topic: What do you guys think about the Doran Blade changes and the impact it will have on top lane? I'm a little unsure if it's still going to be good. I'm thinking longsword + 3 health potions might just be a better start.

I guess it depends if you want the +70 health and 3% lifesteal or +3 attack damage and 2 extra health potions.

ofc, I c/p based off of the previous GD with minor updates. I'm not that bored.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
June 17 2014 22:05 GMT
#16
Nooooooooo my Athenes =(
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 17 2014 22:05 GMT
#17
Doran's will be a good deal weaker early and stronger later. Not sure if that is enough to tip the scales in favor of a faster vamp, or towards defense all together for champions who aren't going to build Hydra/BotRK
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 17 2014 22:06 GMT
#18
I don't love the Athenes changes, but something needed to be done with that item.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 17 2014 22:07 GMT
#19
Really hate the bt change still.Riot y u gotta ruin all my champs instead of just nerfing lucian
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 17 2014 22:08 GMT
#20
You know, I'm kind of miffed they didn't do traditional/legacy-type skins for people who owned champs VU.
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