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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 17 2014 22:11 GMT
#21
On June 18 2014 07:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
You know, I'm kind of miffed they didn't do traditional/legacy-type skins for people who owned champs VU.

Like Karma and Trundle?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 17 2014 22:13 GMT
#22
On June 18 2014 06:45 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 06:44 Numy wrote:
God that sound scared the shit out of me. Should have some warning or something man

??????

I've been using Darkness to close General Discussions for like half a year now...


Yea I know but normally old thread is never on top once closes. Think I just got the miracle timing and didn't realize it. So being tired while oblivious was really scary :<
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
June 17 2014 22:19 GMT
#23
i feel like riot pulled the trigger on skarner too fast. there's so many other champs out there that have issues but they decided to revisit and change what feels like his entire kit again way too quickly.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 17 2014 22:21 GMT
#24
On June 18 2014 07:19 wussleeQ wrote:
i feel like riot pulled the trigger on skarner too fast. there's so many other champs out there that have issues but they decided to revisit and change what feels like his entire kit again way too quickly.

This is what happens when too many people whine for too long.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 17 2014 22:24 GMT
#25
On June 18 2014 07:11 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 07:08 ticklishmusic wrote:
You know, I'm kind of miffed they didn't do traditional/legacy-type skins for people who owned champs VU.

Like Karma and Trundle?


Exactly, then I could pretend I had skins ._.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 17 2014 22:26 GMT
#26
On June 18 2014 06:57 Frudgey wrote:
Neo do you just copy and paste the Opening Post from each General Discussion to the next and just change the patch notes? Or are you a real man and re-type the whole thing?

On-Topic: What do you guys think about the Doran Blade changes and the impact it will have on top lane? I'm a little unsure if it's still going to be good. I'm thinking longsword + 3 health potions might just be a better start.

I guess it depends if you want the +70 health and 3% lifesteal or +3 attack damage and 2 extra health potions.

Irelia nerf. Probably Jax, Shyvana, etc. nerf in hard early match-ups too. A bunch of champions went dblade because dshield got nerfed to the point where even dblade was stronger defensively. Now they nerfed dblade's early game, until you get to something like 165 AD... assuming a 0 armour target.

Not sure how I'm gonna do now if I see something like Renekton, Trundle, etc. picked against me top.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
June 17 2014 22:27 GMT
#27
Would you start dshield as Irelia now?
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
June 17 2014 22:27 GMT
#28
Essence Reaver and Urgot seems like a match made in heaven.

+ Show Spoiler +
Still gonna be terrible probably : D
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 17 2014 22:29 GMT
#29
On June 18 2014 07:27 Prog wrote:
Essence Reaver and Urgot seems like a match made in heaven.

+ Show Spoiler +
Still gonna be terrible probably : D


ER doesn't have spellvamp so Urgot will only get mana back on basic attacks, not Q's. He will still run dry pretty fast.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
June 17 2014 22:29 GMT
#30
On June 18 2014 07:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 06:57 Frudgey wrote:
Neo do you just copy and paste the Opening Post from each General Discussion to the next and just change the patch notes? Or are you a real man and re-type the whole thing?

On-Topic: What do you guys think about the Doran Blade changes and the impact it will have on top lane? I'm a little unsure if it's still going to be good. I'm thinking longsword + 3 health potions might just be a better start.

I guess it depends if you want the +70 health and 3% lifesteal or +3 attack damage and 2 extra health potions.

ofc, I c/p based off of the previous GD with minor updates. I'm not that bored.

The line spacing in the patch notes spoiler seems double or 1,5. Really hard to read.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 22:33:11
June 17 2014 22:32 GMT
#31
On June 18 2014 07:27 Prog wrote:
Essence Reaver and Urgot seems like a match made in heaven.

+ Show Spoiler +
Still gonna be terrible probably : D

Only problem is it takes too long to finish item and vamp is kinda meh now too.

I can't believe I am actually considering ghostblade as first item as replacement for bt for luci/draven lol.Gonna be a weird first week.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
June 17 2014 22:34 GMT
#32
Reaver also needs an endgame build path IMO. However, it looks like it might be optimal for certain top lane champs?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 17 2014 22:35 GMT
#33
On June 18 2014 07:34 KissBlade wrote:
Reaver also needs an endgame build path IMO. However, it looks like it might be optimal for certain top lane champs?

I could see it being built a lot in Silver and Gold to shore up poor mana management during laning, but I don't see it getting picked up much in pro play.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 22:53:28
June 17 2014 22:35 GMT
#34
I didn't really feel randuins was op but was rather much needed in a Kayle Yasuo meta. They keep nerfing AS debuff items and anti autoattack items.

Tristana is fucking broken. I swear half the Riot balance team are Tristana mains and I'm worried one day they're going to have to nerf her hard(she flies too close to the sun). Tristana has one of the highest win rates in the mid game because her W deals 250 AOE magic damage that resets on assist or kill and her level 1 ult deals 300. She has the highest dip in win rate from what I've seen and she's insane late game if you just don't pull a fabby (W into the enemy team).

It's just the retards who think she can keep doing that past minute 25 that bring her down. The level 9 burst baits people into thinking they can keep doing level 13 bursts.

I didn't know about panth being able to use flash to reposition during ult. I never tried it.

Bots have never started on blue side as far as I know.

Thank fucking god for the TP nerf. It felt stupid that TP could be used every 6.7 waves. Now it's every 8 waves.

RIP athenes

Glad wits end got buffed after all. They were set to make the item remain 42% attack speed till someone pointed out that would reduce the AS from its components.

Gonna wait until the dust settles on Nid's win rate before trying her. I'm optimistic. Her bushwack duration seems short.

Hello ardent censor and essence reaver.

I like the skarner changes but am confused why they nerfed E so much. It just makes skilling Skarner so much easier.

The vamp scepter changes are interesting. Currently it feels like a lot of top lane is just about having lifesteal and going ~even in trades and healing back up on minions. I unfortunately don't think that will change with the 10->8% decrease. Itemization is still very limited because I think most AD top laners want lifesteal. I'll personally be getting bork less.

Completely forgot mercurial had a melee bonus.

On June 18 2014 07:35 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 07:34 KissBlade wrote:
Reaver also needs an endgame build path IMO. However, it looks like it might be optimal for certain top lane champs?

I could see it being built a lot in Silver and Gold to shore up poor mana management during laning, but I don't see it getting picked up much in pro play.

I'm sure people thought this about Muramana too but Muramana is built at all levels on Jayce and Athenes at all levels on AP mids. Also reaver doesn't give any mana regen till it's finished. So it's not that great during laning.

On June 18 2014 07:00 PrinceXizor wrote:
pop the buff abilities for everyone!

Lol. So that's Braum, Skarner... I feel like I'm forgetting a few.
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
June 17 2014 22:36 GMT
#35
On June 18 2014 07:29 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 07:27 Prog wrote:
Essence Reaver and Urgot seems like a match made in heaven.

+ Show Spoiler +
Still gonna be terrible probably : D


ER doesn't have spellvamp so Urgot will only get mana back on basic attacks, not Q's. He will still run dry pretty fast.


It's not like Urgot doesn't auto a lot. Especially in lane there is enough time to auto minions.

Nafta has a point with it taking long to finish though. But the buildpath is pretty good, no big goldspike in there.





Also the duo change is pretty big. Now Teutonica can't tank his mmr by duoing with Marten any more : D
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 17 2014 22:49 GMT
#36
Essense Reaver is garbage probably. Spirit Stone already does something very similar that works for both aa and spells, and its effect is not that great.

In general, you are not going to get infinite mana like muramana can.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 22:52:58
June 17 2014 22:52 GMT
#37
http://www.twitch.tv/phreakstream

Phreak doing adc build theorycrafting on stream.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 22:56:13
June 17 2014 22:55 GMT
#38
On June 18 2014 07:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 07:00 PrinceXizor wrote:
pop the buff abilities for everyone!

Lol. So that's Braum, Skarner... I feel like I'm forgetting a few.

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New: Braum, Lucian, new Nidalee kind of, reworked Shyvana, reworked 2.0 Skarner
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
June 17 2014 22:56 GMT
#39
On June 18 2014 07:49 Sufficiency wrote:
Essense Reaver is garbage probably. Spirit Stone already does something very similar that works for both aa and spells, and its effect is not that great.

In general, you are not going to get infinite mana like muramana can.


Spirit Stone works only in jungle and not against lane minions. Essence Reaver is intended for very different roles and champions (i.e. laners, not junglers), so the comparison does not really work.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-17 22:58:46
June 17 2014 22:58 GMT
#40
Probably should've made it an upgrade from chalice or made it ~1500 gold without the lifesteal for example.Then it would be a lot better.It just takes wayyyyy too long to finish.
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