[Patch 4.10] Nidalee/Skarner Rework General Discussion - P…

On June 18 2014 09:30 Kinie wrote:
So for those who missed it, Phreak began doing some math for the ADC items in 4.10, trying to calculate in the raw/flat numbers (AD, Armor Pen, etc.) along with some of the more "floaty" numbers (BotRK passive on-hit damage, # of Shiv procs, etc., Youmuu's additional armor pen., etc.) for people to look at and see. He has said that his numbers might be off a bit (mainly on the floaty bits), but the baseline champ he used was Ashe. He has said he will eventually do the math for the other champions and add in that champ's various unique attributes (Varus passive, Ez passive, etc.) , but has NOT done it on things like Reaver, Sword of the Occult, Zephyr, etc., instead only focusing on the core items that 95% of all ADCs get (the combination of BT, IE, LW, BotRK, Youmuu, PD, Shiv, Zerker Greaves, and D. Blade).

I'll put the images in spoiler box, and some of the more math-y people can watch the archive of his stream (or do the math themselves) to compare and contrast with his findings.


+ Show Spoiler [Phreak's Table of Numbers] +

On June 18 2014 09:45 obesechicken13 wrote:

Hard to trust numbers without the spreadsheet to look over it myself and judge things based on build order and power level at certain points of the game and vs various targets and adjusted damage with botrk. A good attempt though.

On June 18 2014 09:49 Gahlo wrote:

They didn't reduce it at all, pls reread.

On June 18 2014 09:54 nafta wrote:

NEWIMPALEMENT Impale consumes all stacks of Crystal Venom and deals 50/75/100 magic damage per stack consumed
It does more damage on live even assuming you have 3 stacks when 99% of the time you will not have a single one.

On June 18 2014 09:30 Kinie wrote:
So for those who missed it, Phreak began doing some math for the ADC items in 4.10, trying to calculate in the raw/flat numbers (AD, Armor Pen, etc.) along with some of the more "floaty" numbers (BotRK passive on-hit damage, # of Shiv procs, etc., Youmuu's additional armor pen., etc.) for people to look at and see. He has said that his numbers might be off a bit (mainly on the floaty bits), but the baseline champ he used was Ashe. He has said he will eventually do the math for the other champions and add in that champ's various unique attributes (Varus passive, Ez passive, etc.) , but has NOT done it on things like Reaver, Sword of the Occult, Zephyr, etc., instead only focusing on the core items that 95% of all ADCs get (the combination of BT, IE, LW, BotRK, Youmuu, PD, Shiv, Zerker Greaves, and D. Blade).

I'll put the images in spoiler box, and some of the more math-y people can watch the archive of his stream (or do the math themselves) to compare and contrast with his findings.


+ Show Spoiler [Phreak's Table of Numbers] +

On June 18 2014 10:18 wei2coolman wrote:
This patch almost feels like the kind of shit Riot would have wanted completed before Season 4, but couldn't make the deadlines.

On June 18 2014 10:34 IMoperator wrote:

dont worry, a couple weeks before worlds they'll make a huge patch like this and drastically change the game again. Look forward to the triforce buffs!

On June 18 2014 10:42 wei2coolman wrote:

Rito's item change decisions fucking baffle me. All these changes, meanwhile Atma's still sitting around with 15% crit, with terrible slot efficiency.

Or Zeke's, or ohmwrecker, or frozenmallet, or wramogs or wits end or wota that no one fucking buys.

On June 18 2014 10:32 Goumindong wrote:


None of that is very surprising, its just not very useful and kind of obvious. Of course the items which have the most even combination of pen, crit, and AD will have the highest auto attack only DPS. What else were you expecting? Ghostblade is only really good on twitch because with your ult you both guarantee a duration when you can use its active, but also that you're going to hit the low armor targets in the back.

Its also super wrong because you have to account for Ashe's auto crit and so Ashe's DPS decreases over time, but the low DPS builds will have the higher burst and so better real DPS over the course of many fights

On June 18 2014 07:35 onlywonderboy wrote:

I could see it being built a lot in Silver and Gold to shore up poor mana management during laning, but I don't see it getting picked up much in pro play.