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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 18 2014 07:55 xes wrote: "Old": Akali, Kennen, Leona, Lux, Vayne (?), Varus (?), Twitch New: Braum, Lucian, new Nidalee kind of, reworked Shyvana, reworked 2.0 Skarner don't forget Vel'koz's passive, diana's ulti reset, katarina, Leblanc, Quinn's passive, and vi. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
Note on Ardent Censer: Zeke's Herald is 250g more and gives an aura that is "better" Not a fan of the numbers behind the Censer. We'll see. This is an interesting point. Especially with the nerfs to life steal, I wonder if zeke's might become a more viable option now. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 18 2014 08:01 PrinceXizor wrote: don't forget Vel'koz's passive, diana's ulti reset, katarina, Leblanc, Quinn's passive, and vi. I thought he meant things that triggered on the third strike. I definitely forgot Kennen and Velkoz. | ||
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asplodedbaneling
United States8 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 18 2014 08:20 nafta wrote: I get zeke pretty often if there is at least 1 more person than my ad who benefits from it.Kinda awkward getting vamp on supp but could be worse lol. Yea, if Zekes didn't have that terrible freaking 1700 gold purchase hurdle i would get it a lot more on supports. edit: Its probably going to get a bit of an advantage now because AD's will tend to get more early AS in favor of AD since the first item in most build paths is going to be BotRK, Shiv, or Infinity Edge and the other buffs to AS items Edit: Zeal is really getting the shaft here, its +450 gold for 5% AS, 2% Crit, and 5% move speed. Which is only 250 gold worth of crit and attack speed. Its actually more efficient in terms of damage to not finish Zeal, and buy another dagger/cloak of agility/avarice and then wait until you can upgrade to shiv or PD | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I think Skarner's worse off after this "rework". They gutted so much of his damage (which will also impact his clear speed) just to give him a stun that won't be that useful early on unless you somehow manage to tag people with E... which means you put a point in E and thus deal even less damage and farm even slower. Plus I think he also loses a lot of character by dropping his current passive in favour of a pretty bland one. I'd expect something like what he has on a mage-like champion, hitting a single auto after several spells, while the previous one really outlined his fighting patterns of mixing Q-while-moving and autos. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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asplodedbaneling
United States8 Posts
On June 18 2014 08:39 Goumindong wrote: Yea, if Zekes didn't have that terrible freaking 1700 gold purchase hurdle i would get it a lot more on supports. edit: Its probably going to get a bit of an advantage now because AD's will tend to get more early AS in favor of AD since the first item in most build paths is going to be BotRK, Shiv, or Infinity Edge and the other buffs to AS items Edit: Zeal is really getting the shaft here, its +450 gold for 5% AS, 2% Crit, and 5% move speed. Which is only 250 gold worth of crit and attack speed. Its actually more efficient in terms of damage to not finish Zeal, and buy another dagger/cloak of agility/avarice and then wait until you can upgrade to shiv or PD Zeal price got reduced by 75. You'd still build the same route as usual. EDIT: I didn't maths. my bad. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
but then they dumpster the game with multiple large changes meh | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 18 2014 08:58 Alaric wrote: You gain 40 damage from E, and lose 12 on the first Q, 24 on the subsequent ones (also some AS/MS from stacks), which also happens to be AoE on a way shorter cd. I'd say you actually lose a bunch in terms of clearing, which is important for Skarner pre-6, arguably more so than ganks. Lol my bad misunderstood your post.Not getting e at lvl 4 seems pretty fucking stupid honestly. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 18 2014 08:53 miicah wrote: Ardent Censer seems expensive right? Yes, it is. On June 18 2014 08:57 asplodedbaneling wrote: Zeal price got reduced by 75. You'd still build the same route as usual. Oh that explains things, i read it as price increased by 75 gold. So i was seeing 5% attack speed and 2% crit for 450 gold. 5% AS and 2% crit for 300 gold is a lot better (you're only paying 50 gold for the move speed, which is what you're paying now) | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
I'll put the images in spoiler box, and some of the more math-y people can watch the archive of his stream (or do the math themselves) to compare and contrast with his findings. + Show Spoiler [Phreak's Table of Numbers] + | ||
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asymptotech
United States295 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On June 18 2014 09:35 krndandaman wrote: why such a big patch all of a sudden? big champ changes and lots of item changes So they can shake the metagame up a ton, have it settle for worlds, then fuck it up again with some dumb (ie., Triforce buff) patch right before Worlds. | ||
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