EPT[Patch 5.9] Ashe Rework General Discussion - Page 86
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On May 28 2015 03:59 Scip wrote: gg easy  User was warned for this post | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On May 28 2015 04:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Ekko looks horribly OP as expected. damage output + insane mobility looking forward to the freelo | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
He just stated a fact, not forced a discussion :> | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
.7 AP every third auto attack(or SPELL!) Plus up to 230 bonus damage .8 AP on his Q .8 AP shield on his W (150 HP at rank fucking 1!) 5+2.2% missing health per 100 AP on auto attacks against champions w/30% HP or less! At rank 1! 2.25 second stun on his W at rank 1! .2 AP bonus damage on his E, thank god this is actually low But holy god, his ult, 1.3 AP ratio, good heal plus a % of damage he took in the last 4 seconds. His Q,E attack does 1.7 AP if you get the proc off. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On May 28 2015 03:59 Scip wrote: so the summary of that middle lane gank is that I outplayed 3 people gg easy you just stood there autoing while everyone else outplayed themselves maybe there were expecting a better mid laner who doesnt just walk in a straight line against every skillshot and it worked out as sick jukes doesnt explain that first nid spear aiming 10 miles behind that scip would have to flash into to hit | ||
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kongoline
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
As for Ekko, he looks like he's gonna be AP Riven. Insane mobility, a high damage ult (Riven's due to execute, Ekko's due to insane AP ratio), and lots of combo/outplay potential. I also feel bad for whomever had to read the skills and stuff for the Ekko spotlight video. You can tell that Phreak is the one who wrote it, and could hear him cringe every time he made a pun. Edit: so the video was made while Phreak was doing MSI stuff, so they had Riot Scarizard for the audio. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
if like 30 picks are constantly picked banned and only a few sneak in every bo5 then i think theres a clear balance problem its not like its obvious people like thresh and gnar kalista reksai probably gragas have way too much in their kit for anyone else who also isnt broken to compete | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
His W is a bit dumb because it goes up really really fast once someone is low. The damage on the ult is a bit dumb too. I mean the ratio totally is, but the fact that he has damage tacked on what could be made much more powerful without it, or doesn't need it outright (see Azir's ult zzz) is kinda lame. Depending on how his playstyle with Q turns out (hard to hit or not), and how squishy he is (if you're able to punish him hard for going at you to trigger his passive), I wouldn't mind the basic idea behind his assassin patterns though. It's pretty much how I fancy a different assassin design whenever I get bored: someone with high sustained damage output, but no burst (neither frontloaded or backloaded). He'd have to stick to his target to kill it, and expose himself, but also give opportunities to evade him or stall till you get help. To make up for it he'd need stickiness and higher damage under some conditions to make up for the lack of burst. Having a %missing HP (or a flat %increase scaling with target's health%, like Volibear's Bite) mechanic is an easy way to have that, and you can tie it to a long cooldown and/or a conditional trigger (here it's the sub-30% HP). Makes you try to whittle down your target or stay on them longer than 2 seconds when you go in, so you can at some point benefit from the steroid and do the assassin part by finishing off the target. It's also easy to tie that to single-target damage so you don't end up with someone like Talon or Zed who get incidental triples when they're fed and jump someone surrounded. You've got at least 3 mechanics covered here (stickiness/mobility, steroid, some kind of poke) so you're free to play around with the rest of the "slots" available to find cool stuff or synergistic mechanics for your concept's themes or playstyle. Ekko is a massive fail on his because the only thing feeling related to time is his ult (which is a nuke/escape more than a real time mechanic, meh) and maybe his W's field. So much cool stuff they could have done, and then... that. Also it appears they haven't changed his particle so expect massive clusterfuck between Q, W, R, and R's trail. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
He's also one of the most interesting champion designs from Riot ever. The amount of plays you can make with the synergy between your abilities means people who can process things quickly will be able to use him to a higher extent than most - just like how League should be. Still, you compare his kit to someone like Garen's (sorry Teut) and just wonder how many cool champions have to be released before nobody plays those that are more... linear. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 28 2015 04:25 kongoline wrote: am i the only one annoyed they are buffing botrk even more? this item is already stronger than it ever was do ranged champions really need more ways to kite melee isnt kalista dash ever auto, ashe perma slow enough? also why is sejuani getting gutted and gragas isn't touched Oh, there are definitely only Kalista and Ashe from all adcs, double cinderhulk + shittons of point-and-click is irrelevant, 100 range buff to botrk active which isn't working in half of situations anyway is going to kill the game. On May 28 2015 04:33 Slayer91 wrote: i think we need more nerfs not bans if like 30 picks are constantly picked banned and only a few sneak in every bo5 then i think theres a clear balance problem its not like its obvious people like thresh and gnar kalista reksai probably gragas have way too much in their kit for anyone else who also isnt broken to compete Just to add on it, 38 champions only were picked/banned at MSI. 80+ champions were ignored completely. IWCI had 45 iirc but had more games, 32 vs 28. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
Example: Leblanc, Fizz, Ekko, Yasuo, etc. It's terrible champ design because it's so at odds with how earlier champs functioned, so as Zdra said, eventually no one is going to play old champs unless they like losing. I mean it's already true to a large extent. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
I also feel like top lane is SUPER boring. Even more-so than in previous metas where top boiled down to a handful of champions (ie., s3 Renekton vs. Jax vs. Mundo). Compared to the other positions right now, top lane is probably the worst position to play from a "fun" standpoint. Cinderhulk's allowed Smite/TP top to exist, and we just saw how strong it is in game 3 of CJ vs. KT in LCK/OGN last night. Before Cinderhulk it was nothing but Maokai, Gnar, and Rumble, with maybe a Flash/TP Lissandra or Lulu in the top for a Juggermaw or double AP comp. Now those two mages are replaced by Hecarim and Shyvana because the meta rewards you for playing those champions. Riot needs to buff some of the top laners to introduce a bit more risk in the scene and see if a top laner can carry or be a damage threat once again, instead of it just being the mid and ADC's job to deal damage, and for top/jungle/support to be the front line/engage. I also think Warrior enchant in jungle needs to get some of its nerfs reverted, but that's just my jungler side talking. I'll be fine rocking the Cinderhulk Vi + BC combo, wrecking faces, doing more damage, sticking to people more and being tankier than I was back when Vi was actually in the meta. | ||
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