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i cant the company is going under so i have to pretend to care about work for the next few weeks. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel, I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). dosnt seem like a good way to run to me by diminishing your own platform. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are you so confident in your day 1 reads on people you do know? what kind of question is that. and that's not what he said. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. have you seen his play recently he fell off + L +Ratio as the kids say these days. | ||
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No he just said he's more confident in reading people that he is played with before which is probally true of every player ever. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote: I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? would depend on the first wagon now wouldn't. and you know who is mafia and probably a bunch of other things. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote: The voting is for the mayor firstly, so the 2nd top voter is the 2nd choice for mayor, secondly giving up your agency is super anti town oh oats not reading the op tsk tsk | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor TSK TSK TSK In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. | ||
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but also +10 dummy points | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Grack edited the setup, he is setting me up.. he did not | ||
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town are slightly more likely to not be aware of the setup and freely post about it like a dummy imo. only slightly though | ||
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you have been deemed unfit for office. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote: @grack how do we differentiate lynch and mayor votes it says in the vote thread smh | ||
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For what its worth nobody's posts have given me mafia goosebumps yet. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:37 Vivax wrote: 1. You forgot to greenfont 2. I don‘t like this post what dont you like about it lol | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote: Are you so quick to write off Oats for not reading the OP? But I agree that I probably won‘t vote for him. He was good last game on MS though, when he was town. games in bizaro world dont count. | ||
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On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote: So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early. And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? | ||
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sounds like nothing to me. | ||
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On March 04 2024 13:16 die_meatbaby wrote: EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS A SUSPECT RIGHT now. How the hell should i tell after one hour who could be tip top town (for this shit mayor thing) and mafia. He is nothing as player right now. But he was so mad at you for getting fooled by you on mafiascum that it´s just strange how give you this fucking early a townread. the hell i am thinking already of you and Vivax togther. But still to fucking early to make any decision on any aligment. I will take the first day do find a tip top town to vote as mayor because we always get the first lynch wrong anyways but thats how find the mafia later. I just don´t know what will happen if we lose the game because if mafia will fool us that this one person is maximum Town and best option for mayor. What happens if we vote mafia for mayor? we can not just lynch our mayor or can we still? Do you have any game with mayor I can read so I would better understand how importend that role is? Because I think mafia will act and play differnt as usuall on D1 just because of this. Your whining about the setup comes across as insincere. Kind of like your last game. In which you were mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2024 13:22 DarthPunk wrote: No that is not what I mean. Why if you think everyone is suspect do you talk to Vivax about him 'fooled' which implies he is town. i dont understand what your saying | ||
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On March 04 2024 13:30 DarthPunk wrote: This is true, which is why I find it weird you talked about him being 'fooled again' which implies you think he is town, otherwise he is not being fooled he is fooling others. Meh, maybe this is just an ESL thing. DP why are you misrepresenting what was said. It was qualified right at the end it says IF YOU ARE TOWN. you got fooled by Dp´s mafia skills in your last game so I hope it doesn´t happen again if you are Maximum town | ||
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On March 04 2024 13:02 die_meatbaby wrote: you got fooled by Dp´s mafia skills in your last game so I hope it doesn´t happen again if you are Maximum town  | ||
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On March 04 2024 13:36 DarthPunk wrote: I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse. Just FYI. i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. | ||
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because its basically just banter. | ||
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On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote: Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better. | ||
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On March 04 2024 23:37 sandroba wrote: I think it's fair for TTT to scum read tfrel at that point in the thread. At the same time the lack of engagement in other matters, or revising the read after more pages is a bit sus Tone wise do you think it's likely a scum would be that prickly early on? | ||
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On March 05 2024 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it benefit if you claim it? Wouldnt you think town is more likely to use it? | ||
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On March 05 2024 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably yes. I said last game i wouldnt ever use it as mafia so its basically a null point now when people know it gives you "town credit". Not really null you would have to actually use it if your mafia to get the credit. which seems crazy to do imo. Then follow through and preform in the said discord as mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2024 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont really see much use for it in any case unless you really really believe the other person is town. I mean why would you post reads there and not in thread? Your basically an unconfirmed mason plus you can then see if the person is online or not and actively ignoring your direct questions. | ||
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On March 05 2024 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think marv is town. Seems like an insane to do imo if you were mafia so I'm gonna say you are likely town. Both mafia for the plays would be pretty cool though but I will dismiss that. | ||
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On March 05 2024 00:52 sandroba wrote: I currently think rayn is town and he would be a good choice for mayor as well. However, rayn is much better scum than me. Also marv which I lean null atm has masoned me and wants to to get behind rayn. Which there is a fair town motivation to do, but also gives rise to some conspiracies in my head. Thus I think I'm the better, safer choice. That's funny | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah it was when i heard it ^^ There is only 2. I know | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote: I am gonna battle rayn. You don't think he is likely town? | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:16 CopCake wrote: I cant believe Slam forgot the game in which marv / vivax / myself were mafia. Why. Do we know if he even remembers what he had for breakfast | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Who's scum? I started off agreeing with you on Oats but you haven't done much since. Is DP still suspicious to you? I don't know. A couple people have been useless. Ve comes to mind especially. | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Excuse me. My win rate as mafia is extremely high. | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is better than your VE read. What did you thunk of DPvCake? Do posts a lot so I'm kind predisposed to think he is town regardless. However that post early on did set alarm bells to me imo. For cake post 587 and 588 might be townie. | ||
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On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote: I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1. That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor. I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. ...... | ||
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On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote: I don't understand the question how would it change anything?It's where that player comes from | ||
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On March 05 2024 03:40 CopCake wrote: that shouldnt clear me, but this is how his laugh sounded when he read the why would we make this dumb fuck mayor ![[image loading]](https://gifdb.com/images/high/the-office-stanley-laughing-hysterically-twornx6e1uum8exq.gif) Not wanting it to clear you also boosts it. | ||
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On March 05 2024 03:51 Vivax wrote: Voting yourself is the correct play 100% of the time. It's the others on you that I question the decision making of. You think scum rayn masoned marv of his own free will? It's not worth considering imo. | ||
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On March 05 2024 03:56 Vivax wrote: Do you think he'd get away with it if he masoned players who are considered low tier? Can you even finish a thought. He could have just not used it lol | ||
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On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote: I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though | ||
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No how so. | ||
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On March 05 2024 04:08 Koshi wrote: If you are going to form town circles based on mason chat you can fuck off. I havent read anything but just putting it out there. Good to know you haven't been reading | ||
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On March 05 2024 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody can just completely peace out, because you get modkilled if you don't post -- or vote -- at all during the day. The longer people wait to post, the harder it gets for mafia to post, that is regardless of how good the player is as mafia. I wouldn't be so sure about that | ||
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On March 05 2024 04:27 CopCake wrote: How is this useful on the first day, tho? I can understand third day but first? Town loses everything, and an important role, I dont want to sound mean but you fucked up in such a way that there are no words and I didnt find it funny. Like I am TOTALLY opposed of a mayor wanting to kill, like that is stupid, no matter how "capable" the player is, how "blue" is. It is a shot in the dark pretty much, and that helps mafia. If there is a mayor, and the mayor kills on first and second day, I will pretty much never consider that person town. Unless a rolecop have a check or something mechanical supports a person is mafia. Why wouldn't a mayor not just treat it as a vig shot I don't understand? | ||
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Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him | ||
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His running for mayor post | ||
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On March 05 2024 04:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes actually considering how the fuck are you supposed to use your “strongest” role now Enough go vote ve | ||
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On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote: Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity? insincerity | ||
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As in he isn't really running for mayor | ||
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Really? | ||
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On March 05 2024 05:14 Koshi wrote: People who ask mundane questions to end their first visit to the thread should be lynched and or shot. New to mafia playbook: First throw out some not fleshed out reads to pretend they are helping town. Secondly ask a question so the thread helps them be active and do something because they don't know what to do as mafia. Seen it too much. Should be red throughout the game unless miracle play happens. I think this is a good point. I said he was kind of abrasive for him to be scum but I certainly could have been wrong about that. | ||
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On March 05 2024 05:26 justanothertownie wrote: Yo, whats up? Been trying to catch up since I left work but the distance to the new posts doesn't seem to decrease at all... Nice contribution | ||
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On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly | ||
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On March 05 2024 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: OMG so much was not expecting so much loooool People pretending to have reads that mean anything already are fucking awesome, like I can kinda get a read off that stuff but so many are good at faking it. You guys won't have any meaningful reads until flips happen. I am, actively, doing jack shit. But I'm also not pushing an agenda or doing anything scummy, so energy put into lynching me is wasted. So you want a mayor that is in here pretending with you guys. I get it. I hear you. I'm just not doing it. I'm not pretending to have reads that mean anything right now. I'm going to lynch someone who is barely posting, someone who ISN'T ME that is barely posting, and that's what I'll do as mayor. You either like that or you don't. I was hoping Slam would come in here and make you guys like it but you can't count on anyone these days. I'll talk to you guys about who I think is mafia after I see some stuff happen in the thread that is alignment indicative. I don't think how DMB phrased something or how much Oats posted D1 or any bullshit like that is alignment indicative. I like votes, lynches, who pushes what and why. We don't have that D1. We have activity. So that's what I'm running on bish. You don't like my activity level? Then you agree with my premise and should vote me as mayor rather than someone who could be mafia. Did you just omgus | ||
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On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote: So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia. and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up. Fuck your shit. town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun. The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it. Well he is doing just that. Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one. I also dislike sandroba. I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. I would say that marv is being somewhat lazy which is more indicative of scum marv for sure | ||
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On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. | ||
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On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote: How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. Wat. How is he getting more power. Lists all the reasons he is getting more power. | ||
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On March 05 2024 07:59 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that slam claimed is the cherry on top. I fucking hate games like this that just devolve into discussion about roles and powers and shit. And yet you want to make a person mayor just because of roles your not making sense. | ||
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How is he confirmed? | ||
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On March 05 2024 07:57 marvellosity wrote: I’m 20 pages behind so I have no idea I’m afraid. Enlighten US when you do | ||
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On March 05 2024 08:12 Koshi wrote: Ok if that is your only way to confirm somebody. Fair. If I see a 7 page 24h Vivax I am putting him on the confirmed pile. It's called an educated guessing game for a reason | ||
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On March 05 2024 08:37 marvellosity wrote: ##vote: Palmar Oh boy | ||
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On March 05 2024 08:47 marvellosity wrote: Surface level, obvious townreads without Palmar-esque reasoning behind them. Trying too hard to be funny. Mafia A solid case | ||
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On March 04 2024 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Why? I’m doing the same shit I was earlier Does a scum post this? | ||
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On March 05 2024 09:02 Vivax wrote: Yes. Questioning lack of suspicion on themselves is actually not uncomon. You still have your vote parked on VE. I do | ||
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Why all he really has done is bitch and moan. | ||
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On March 05 2024 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Maybe I just think it’s really bad and lacking in reading comprehension. Will revisit another time. to me its a long list post that dosnt reach to any real conclusions. Could be scummy or just bad. posting for the sake of posting etc | ||
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On March 05 2024 09:28 JacobStrangelove wrote: Reports of my inteligence have been greatly exaggerated. I mean I am in the worst part of a cold right now hopefully it'll improve. the reverse omgus | ||
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On March 05 2024 10:59 DarthPunk wrote: I don’t believe mafia want the jail keeper to be nk immune. I just don’t. It's a powerful role but it's not the be all end all there is 5 mafia with 2 factional kp. | ||
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On March 05 2024 11:07 DarthPunk wrote: It stays good later and becomes more and more problematic for mafia. Why are you so against this? Is there a much better candidate in your opinion? Probably me at this point. As much as I don't want to do it. | ||
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On March 05 2024 11:25 DarthPunk wrote: I would probably have town agree on a pool of candidates and then let vivax choose between them, because then we know that the final choice is not mafia influenced. ????? | ||
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It could be mafia influenced because the whole game would be picking the players ?? | ||
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On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible why do you think that. had no reason to give reads and did so ? Why would mafia do that? | ||
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no im still working on them | ||
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On March 05 2024 13:24 DarthPunk wrote: Just give me what you got. I don't care if you miss some people or whatever or there are no explanations. Cause I literally don't know where you stand on people right now. no. i dont know where i stand on a lot of people i have to think more. i only have easy ones now. | ||
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I have explained several times i dont want someone who already acted like an idiot to get the hands on a lynch. Say he does something stupid again what we have to just say oh well guess we just have to live with that hes "confirmed". I have already said before that i think rayn is extremely likely to be town. I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. I have had some doubts about this but the more i think about i reach the same conclusion over and over again i don't think im wrong. | ||
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On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. you know cake tried to cheat right. what do you make of that. | ||
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On March 05 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote: I am sorry but idk how i cheated? I think stuff like “oh I can see rayn laughing”, “i can hear cake laughing” have been posted before and i have never gotten any warnings from it. you cant communicate outside the thread come on now. | ||
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On March 05 2024 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Why wouldn’t they do this as mafia? It’s not a commitment what do you mean | ||
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On March 05 2024 14:16 Oatsmaster wrote: The whisper ends at the end of the day and they aren’t obligated to whisper again, it’s not like a role. I do agree that either both are mafia or rayn is town, I don’t think he does that as mafia rayn to town marv so you agree with me i dont get what your getting at. | ||
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On March 05 2024 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote: I think there’s a significant chance that they are mafia together what the fuck is happening??? Really? i don't think that's likely. | ||
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On March 05 2024 14:27 DarthPunk wrote: Perfection why did you wait til you were being pressured to raise the cake out of thread thing. That happened a while ago. what pressure your one vote lol. and why wouldnt i post about it Meapak was talking about cake why wouldnt i bring up what i thought. | ||
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On March 05 2024 14:36 DarthPunk wrote: Ok fair enough. Can you post some reads now plz not done yet have 3 more to get through | ||
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1) raynpelikoneet- I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. 2) Oatsmaster- eh I guess there may be some pots where there was genuine confusion. Tinfoil marv and rayn are mafia together I guess would more likely come from town. So slight town read 3) DarthPunk- I have had vibes I cant explain. The vote on me though gives me pause and makes me think town. 4) Vivax- The more I think about it the more he just has to be town. I would be in a similar boat as how I feel about rayn 5) sandroba- maybe im misremembering but I felt I held him in higher regard he has been around but I feel like he hasn’t been a main driver which tends to be a likely scum but… he makes some good posts I especially like that he picked up on in post 1021 that I made the towniest post in the game. 6) Trfel- says sorry a lot which I find annoying. Said would be fine to be mayor because they are usually obvious town but I don’t see that at all. Slight scum read. 7) marvellosity- has felt lazy for some stretches but I don’t know I feel like hes had some genuine posts and I felt like I was actually talking to him. When he was in that recent game with me where he was mafia a lot more his posts looking back looked contrived where he had to “play” fun when he wasn’t really. He also had some mind meld posts where he posted the exact same thing as I did. 8) Jealous- not posted even though he said he would be able to so scum 9) Meapak_Ziphh- I don’t like the way he passively supported dp’s recent vote. I don’t get the logic that people called vivax town but fuck him we aint making him mayor makes people likely mafia. I explained my logic. He can not like that logic but I don’t know to say I haven’t contributed I have been posting throughout the work day when I didn’t have to. He says the cake think is not alignment indicative and I don’t understand why he sees it that way that’s not how I see it. possible scum 10) Palmar- useless and is somewhat capable of not being useless so probably scum. 11) justanothertownie- hasn’t really done anything has some posts but most of them are useless posting. Posting for the sake of posting possible scum. 12) die_meatbaby- I think someone said that they posted the list post in response but that came from rels easily could have been ignored and not posted. I also don’t see how do I put this the shrillness I guess when meat was mafia. Where they would just go like omg how could you do this etc etc. I don’t understand the tea shit. 13) CopCake- tried to cheat so town. For you dummies that don’t read the thread brought information that rayn was laughing at the post confirming he was having said good time at a point when people were trying to determine his alignment. 14) JacobStrangelove- I don’t like his vote post on possible lynchbait 1586 long list post with no real conclusions. I don’t know pretty null. 15) Hapahauli- hasn’t posted which makes me sad as half the reason I joined was because of him maybe scum then 16) Iamperfection- innocent child 17) Koshi- has had some prickliness that I would think is more likely to come from town. Also has gone after marv day 1 which I think he is unlikely to do as mafia and he hasn’t done it in that contrived way he did in that recent game where he made a case on dp. 18) ToTheStars- useless might be scum might be not fine vig target 19) VisceraEyes- I don’t care what marv says he has been useless in my opinion so can be scum. 20) Rels- eh kind of null slightly townie because I see progression in his ve read and it agrees with me so cool. 21) Alakaslam- I don’t like the way he plays the game. I find his posting confusing and a lot of times I have no idea what he is talking about. | ||
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On March 05 2024 14:50 JacobStrangelove wrote: I am not mafia and I'll go as far to be more specific and claim not traitor. thanks for clearing that up | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:17 Palmar wrote: My filter is 3 pages and VE is like one of the few people I actually wrote a few paragraphs about before I discontinued that project out of laziness. Surely you can find it? I phone post it hard | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:43 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah I'm just overwhelmed. Who do I sheep? Oh lord | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote: Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start We should probably just get rid of you if your gonna be like this. You have my blessing vivax | ||
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On March 05 2024 23:53 Hapahauli wrote: Would appreciate being shot, I just don't think I have it in me to play. Alright vivax if you don't kill this and I am still alive I am afk voting you day 2. | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote: No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. In your mind this is town marv coming after you? | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote: Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa Man this game is easy If you think I'm mafia for real you need to have your head examined | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:13 marvellosity wrote: Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia. You don't think it's a reasonable thought from him? | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:18 Vivax wrote: Two of those wouldn't elect a claimed JK mayor but at least you have a motive for that. I reacted to your claim in realtime with reasoning and made a deduction extremely quickly. That's so hard for mafia to do. Stop being bad. | ||
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Not sure. That's what I was pondering last night though it made me think town but I'm not positive | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:27 marvellosity wrote: We aren’t touching DP today. There’s no reason to I didn't say we where. | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:34 sandroba wrote: We can maybe leave hapa to be modkilled and kill another lurker who is trying to avoid being modkilled? TTS fits the bill, I guess we can take another look when it's close to deadline. I would check on that mod kill policy. | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote: Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around | ||
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On March 06 2024 00:34 sandroba wrote: We can maybe leave hapa to be modkilled and kill another lurker who is trying to avoid being modkilled? TTS fits the bill, I guess we can take another look when it's close to deadline. Can you summarize the whisper log since marv is no fun. | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:08 Vivax wrote: For posterity I‘ll let it be known that if I had a say I‘d have lynched Trfel. No worries though won‘t try to be a hero. Have you submitted something in case of emergency | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:10 CopCake wrote: @HAPPA AND TRFEL I have a small job for you. Do you think this vivax from this game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?user=Vivax and this misslynched vivax day 1: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/618165-winter-warfare-mafia?user=Vivax is the same? Why would he claim something SO DANGEROUS, if he knows that, at the end of the day, people can be crazy enough to misslynch him? even if a claim of that caliber that is stupid? Vivax, did you ever considered that idk, any other blue roles, that maybe got into the hands of someone insane, could also claim or soft claim something? Did you ever consider the fuck fest your claim would create? Why are you asking hapa he told town they could go fuck itself. And what are you saying did vivax make a bad play I think we have established that. Look at the way he claimed do you think that is something a scum would do when he did it. | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:15 iamperfection wrote: Why are you asking hapa he told town they could go fuck itself. And what are you saying did vivax make a bad play I think we have established that. Look at the way he claimed do you think that is something a scum would do when he did it. Like on the most base level scum don't like attention. That's the opposite of what vivax accomplished | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:20 CopCake wrote: Like, I want to rule out that vivax is not mafia with two big names. He's basically been the center of attention would scum do that willingly like he did. I don't think so | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:26 CopCake wrote: Because he is not part of the Toby club, is neutral, and his reads are not based or influenced of "Oh Marv said this, so my read will be similar" You know he was the MVP the game dead, chez and rayn were mafia. You do not acknowledging this is suspicious. I don't understand what your saying. What is toby club. And wouldn't being neutral be a more likely scum trait? | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:33 CopCake wrote: There is this clique of big egos or people who consider themselves high level players. In this list there is koshi, marv, rayn, dp at least. They try to figure out if they are town or mafia first and continue from there. Problem is, some of them are pretty good at scum and can fool people (rayn) This is where people like Tfrel shine, because he, by being neutral and not influenced, have more accurate reads. The neutral you are talking about is a read like "well, i think he is scummy but..." which is not a neutral read, just bullshit post pretending to be a read. So by asking trfel you are hoping to gain what? | ||
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On March 06 2024 01:49 CopCake wrote: I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names. I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that. But we have established he is bad it doesn't make him scum. | ||
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On March 06 2024 03:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Thoughts on DMB Iamp? I don't think scum. Dmbs posts in that game I obser gave me scum goosebumps like the entire game and everyone called me dumb there and I was right. More gut then anything I can rationalize I do think posting that list at that time just because 1 person asked is more likely to come from town in the timing it did. | ||
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On March 06 2024 03:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Yall can narrow it down by removing me from lynch lists if you want. IF not I get it, but that would be winning move. I don't want to | ||
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On March 06 2024 04:13 Oatsmaster wrote: No thoughts about the content of the list at all? Mafia tend to be hyper focused on what people ask so it’s not surprising to me that she did that Not particularly. I don't think much of dmb as a player at this time skill wise feel like they are still learning | ||
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On March 06 2024 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Me? Are you asking me why I think Vivax the player fake-claims? I don't care if you guys believe it, I could even be wrong. That's why I'm not arguing or trying to convince anyone, it just feels fake as fuck to me, opportunistic. No one will next game say "Oh Vivax did this awful terrible fakeclaim last game" so there's no danger in him doing it as town this game. Maybe he was salty he got VT. I have no idea and I don't fucking care. It completely hobbles the town, claiming D1 so I prefer to believe that Vivax is better than that and is claiming to become mayor as a VT, because the alternative makes my soul cry. Then he is town so who cares like what's the point. | ||
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On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people. I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax. I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread. iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment. DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes. TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out. I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen. rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems. Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other. MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. Pile on to trfel let's go | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:03 marvellosity wrote: Palmar calling me mafia is not helping me townread him. And it’s not omgus. It’s his only play as mafia. Still reading g Skip to trfel vote pist | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:16 marvellosity wrote: I might have to concede I shouldn’t lynch palmar here. I still think he can be mafia. But his posts have a much better tone to them now. The doubt may make it a bad lynch. what did you make of the trfel vote then | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:24 Rels wrote: Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game how can you ignore the vote post? | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:24 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Trfel This is not a townread on Palmar. But he is right, if I have doubt I should probably wait a day. I get 72 hours more to nail him if he is mafia after all. I’m uncomfortable lynching JAT. I have nothing on Trfel but I’m sheeping the only alternative. what do you mean nothing | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:26 marvellosity wrote: I’ve not read him and I’ve not really concentrated on what anyone said about him. His peace out post can be anything. you dont think the peace out post had a scum mindset | ||
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On March 06 2024 07:43 justanothertownie wrote: I will go to bed in like 10-15 minutes. It is really a shame that marv is not around and playing. like i dont know its almost like he knows marvs alignment. | ||
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On March 06 2024 09:53 iamperfection wrote: like i dont know its almost like he knows marvs alignment. Well maybe he is just being pragmatic in this post seeing in context as palmar was cookin then. | ||
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On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote: I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? | ||
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On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote: I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie so trfel played amazing last game. Show me the amazing posts this game | ||
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On March 06 2024 10:37 DarthPunk wrote: Well both wagons are my wagons lets be real. i started the trfel wagon | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote: yeah he changed his vote so often and tried to push people to his new vote decision. Still did I never say that JAT is Town for me just not my prefering lynch and Trfl will defently not get a vote he seems a little bit townisch to me for now And both wagons pushed by the same person scares me even more. I just hate lynch 1. Usless investment of time because we always get it wrong anyways. Lynch 2 is fucking importend. i just dont understand what you think trfel had done that is townish. | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:25 Trfel wrote: Yeah sorry, been dealing with some mental health issues, combined with being horrendous on day 1, has made it hard to find mafia or be very effective. I think raynpelikoneet's play was very solid early on, he feels much more genuine than last game. It feels like he really cares about what he's doing. So I think he is town, same with marvellosity and sandroba by association. I would be very hesitant about suspecting these three. Kinda think DarthPunk is town as well, but I could be wrong. I don't have any great scumreads unfortunately, or I would have shared them. I still don't like the way iamperfection was playing but I have vague memories of that just being his playstyle so I could be wrong. Not sure what Vivax is doing with his "reasons" to suspect me. There are reasons I could be mafia, he managed to not find them but is very passionate about it anyway. I don't know if that means anything though. if your lying about the mental health issues i applaud you. | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:33 Trfel wrote: I'm getting lynched, that's fine. I just am trying to share what I can first. Unfortunately that isn't much, but I figure it's better than nothing Also Meapak_Ziphh is likely town, lynch with hesitance. why are you being so defeatist. Clearly the lynch is still up in the air how can you not see that. | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote: Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. ok nevermind everyone stay put lol | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is a rough post but I am going to put my vote on JAT before I read Trfel. My problem isn't with how he responded to the vivax mayor stuff, in fact he does a better job than some people did at articulating his concerns, my problem comes with his "POE scum list" and how easily that rolled into a Trfel vote for self preservation. + Show Spoiler + I used to love post by post analysis reads but now I hate them, however given the situation this is how I’m rolling with JAT. Two piles, love or hate. Let’s read. Good On March 05 2024 08:03 justanothertownie wrote: Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play. This is probably the only decent counter argument to the Vivax mayor thing, even if I disagree with it, he’s at least thinking and not just going REEE bc he hate Vivax’s claim On March 06 2024 05:56 justanothertownie wrote: Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi. I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all. I think this is a reasonable response to sandroba, I don’t think he’s right with his reasoning but I can see where he’s coming from. bad On March 05 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote: Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim. Bad for many reasons On March 05 2024 07:50 justanothertownie wrote: Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way. Weird to even sarcastically agree with this after you already said you liked their town circle On March 06 2024 02:36 justanothertownie wrote: Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool: Trfel Jealous MZ JS Hapa TTS VE Slam Would have to narrow it down somehow. Not meant as an OMGUS here but this is a super easy post for scum to make since he pretty much called out the lukers and slam. Sandroba actually calls this oout On March 06 2024 07:11 justanothertownie wrote: Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now. Terrible, absolutely no progression of how you actually processed your eliminations to come up with Trfel as your read. EXCUSE ME | ||
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On March 06 2024 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna give trfel time to play ##unvote ##vote jat EXCUSE ME | ||
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On March 06 2024 23:35 CopCake wrote: Tfrel tends to say that with “i am sorrys” followed. He also posted little in that game. Was clearly more engaged in that other game | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:14 iamperfection wrote: It's like your asking permission to scum read ve Palmar that is | ||
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On March 07 2024 00:28 Palmar wrote: Last 7 times. I like talking about policy lynches, sue me. Do you find it interesting that rayn is apparently not aware of this stance on Vivax despite me being his #1 lynch target? Talk about jealous | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does anyone else in the game think mafia rayn masoned mafia marv and either had all those discussions in the discord chat or doctored it? Would be quite the play to do so | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:07 Palmar wrote: I've felt uneasy about your contributions but I don't think I've been actively calling you mafia, just put you in a pool of people likely to have some mafia in it. Why should I care what you think about VE? The main reason I'm moving from "rayn is a little scummy" to "wait he's actually probably just mafia" is twofold: 1: caps locking demanding a case on Vivax (I am your #1 scumread afterall) despite my stance being abundantly clear and repeated a million fucking times because I am aroused by policy lynches. 2: refusing to acknowledge that you know, or should know, how I approach scumhunting and don't make these kinda reads. You had him in your likely mafia pool what you talking abot | ||
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On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here. I like a bunch of mafia in: rayn jat rels mz tts then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy vivax trfel hapa then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi None of the lists are in any particular order I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. Like looking at this post you have trfel as a policy lynch but in the bottom it isn't. | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:14 Palmar wrote: Did you notice that I also called Vivax town! How cool is that? Why didn't you have tts as policy btw | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:16 sandroba wrote: I was momentarily under that impression, but then I looked into his list post and the sheer amount of work that was put into it including the spoilers. He has to be town I mean not to be a dick but wouldn't it be easier for a scum to come back in a game then a town member just fundamentally? | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:22 Palmar wrote: Because he and Trfel are different. I liked Trfel's posts, but just dropping the game and fucking off is a lynchable offense. I didn't like TTSs posts. Note that I haven't revisited TTS at all this night, so that list may be out of date, although I can't remember him posting. A policy lynch is a lynch suggestion that is independent of perceived alignment, but rather based on a policy of expected town behavior. TTS could fit into both categories (policy lynch a lurker and lynching him for bad posting) but obviously when combined he goes into the scum pool. This is why I'm joking around with you seeing a contradiction in saying Trfel is a policy lynch candidate (or really, a vig target candidate) and then saying I actually think his posts look townie. If you think that's a problem, then you just don't know what a policy lynch is. Your list vote came after trfel votes for you. From your perspective shouldn't you have thought trfel was scum parking a vote on you. You even said as much when it happened then seemed to forget about that in that post. | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: iamp where is your head at at the moment? On the top of my neck. But I feel like I've talked to much as it is I'll have to recollect my thoughts. Feel good about ve as scum marv has given me tingles but I could be paranoid I'll leave it at that. | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: less likely than that i would mason marv as mafia. Was his decision to mason Sandro talked about in your discord don't remember from your summary | ||
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On March 07 2024 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: forgot Rels. Rels can be mafia, but only if Palmar is mafia, so basically he can be mafia. Whys that | ||
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On March 07 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote: Jealous, I am not referring at all to that posting. I am referring to her very unpopular mafia targets and her attitude towards Vivax. And her very pushy presence. These all read as town to me. If that's all they are gonna do that could be scum motivated. Like I said earlier reminds me of tunkeng from my famous shot. | ||
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On March 07 2024 11:45 Jealous wrote: Digging into filters rn and rayn makes a really strong point here IMO. Is this CopCake just trying to name random names to keep people busy/off of scum's trail and getting caught in a logical fallacy? i agree my take on cop might have been dumb. | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote: Why do we have two kills?! are you serious | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote: Why do we have two kills?! Dp meat smart enough to do this you think? | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote dmb after what just happened? | ||
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slam you cant be serious. There is both a possible miller and framer you goof. | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Literally entirely through eod and the night it’s there? What are you talking about i mean did you not read what just happened ??? | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Like what are you talking about? It makes 0 sense for slam to do what he did as mafia, I don’t see any ccs or any softed CCs ok dude you dont understand lol | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote: ANNOUNCEMENT TOWN I have been given a Vig shot in the night. I intend to VIG TTS. whoa whoa whoa so we allegedly have 4 blues. 3 really strong ones and one weak one ? | ||
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its a vig but a lot worse. I have no idea why you decided to claim it like this by the way dummy. | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:26 Oatsmaster wrote: If like koshi got red checked? I’m not lynching him oats dmb dumb town telled and you ignored it. | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:29 Oatsmaster wrote: It’s way too dumb to be real she asked the same question like 5 times cmon now what do you mean ??? | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:35 die_meatbaby wrote: yeah because I would listen to orders people instructions... will not happen But as nobody is goeing to explain it to me i go sleep and you all can fuck off.I already now the obs would be nicer to me -.- you ever watch the show taskmaster. All the information is on the task. Or in this case all the information is in the op. | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote: And another response to jsl, and one more to me after I made my post Look the info is in the thread, I can lead you to water but you have to drink that wasnt asking it was complaining. | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote: New theory: The mafia is slam, Oats, DMB, Rels, marv Slam gave up D1. Rels is too busy. Oats did his best but can‘t contain all that info leaking out of dmb in the thread and wants to kill her. Slam told him not to and is avenging dmb by fakeclaiming cop to fake a redcheck on his teammate. Marv is in shambles and just wants to spend a bit of time with Palmar. i want whatever your smoking | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:49 CopCake wrote: You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia? hes actually town now though | ||
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On March 07 2024 12:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm at work Bish trust the process. Don't take my shitter posting as content, it isn't your process seems pretty suspect whatever it is | ||
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On March 07 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote: Rayns dead is weird 🤔 why does everything you have recently said make no sense. How in the world is rayns death weird. | ||
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On March 07 2024 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah yeah, I’ll start with you Talk to me about dmb, is the dumb tell your only reason she’s town? probably the only good one. I had thoughts earlier but it was more guessing then anything. | ||
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On March 07 2024 13:20 Rels wrote: I don't get it, have you never have the feeling of doing dumb shit as scum because you think it would appear town? I have the temptation all the time. Dumbtelling, hard scumreading a townie person during the night that you know you'll shot anyway, etc. Never received a townread for it to date lol. sounds like something i would do yes. I dont know if its something dmb would. I did something like this in the cancelled game and it half worked. | ||
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On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote: DP and Vivax what are your reads? All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? The post feels like trying to pretend to be clueless. I think they flipped town. Nobody would talk like that. | ||
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On March 07 2024 18:34 marvellosity wrote: Below every post there is a grey filter button. Also in the op you can click peoples names in the sign up list and it will open their filter You used to be cool man. | ||
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On March 07 2024 23:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's not the fact that you're thinking and talking, it's the topic you chose to talk about. If slam somehow flips town tomorrow is gonna be a total shit show but given that he's most likely not we can use this day to effectively plan for tomorrow and then adjust as required with the NKs. There is a lot of uncertainty right now in my eyes with people like Copcake/DMB/JAT/Marv they would be better topics. We could also discuss VE a bit more, while I'm pretty sold he's lurking scum, some folks may still have him as town so we could be fleshing that out. TTS just needs to get vigi'd at this point. Well unless dp somehow gets shot off a vig seems impossible. I think a roleblocker is likely. | ||
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On March 08 2024 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m fully expecting mafia to skate by today on the “it’s oats let’s pick this up day 3” and waste today Want to vote tts? | ||
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On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote: I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Palmar not sure if anyone asked you this but why did you ignore all the logic and reasoning behind who whispered who and why. | ||
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On March 08 2024 01:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia getting both whispers is way more unlikely than me getting red checked cmon Well I was talking more on how smart people came to the conclusion rayn was town by what he did. | ||
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On March 08 2024 05:04 Jealous wrote: Okay, I see what happened here. You just straight up quoted the wrong post from Slam and were responding to the other thread. As for why I didn't mason Slam, frankly I'd rather whisper someone who I think is more invested in the game on a more consistent basis, someone who I read town without any role claims. I am operating on the assumption that Slam is cop, so I know his alignment. Why would I whisper him now, then? When we get the Oats flip, we will know what Slam is for sure either way. I'd rather get to know someone who has a strong presence in the thread, drove discourse on D1 as well as both wagons, etc. All of the protection roles for town can't protect themselves like JK, Doctor, etc. Rayn wouldn't have been able to protect himself anyway. What could have happened is that rayn protected Slam and then got shot, for example. If Slam knew that he was protected - which I don't think is the case, but just for the sake of argument - what would be stopping him from publicly stating so? You really need to read that OP. Crazy stuff in there. Can we stop the blue speculation especially if you clearly don't know what your talking about. The only way we would know for sure if slams 100% town is if oats flips scum. Miller and framer are possible so we still wouldn't know for sure that slam was lying even if oats flips green. For as claiming protection from rayn I have no clue what your talking about how would slam know if he is town. If your suggesting mafia marv knew somehow it's still pointless because there was no missing kp. | ||
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On March 08 2024 05:37 marvellosity wrote: Very effective and natural code if I say so myself 😇 Not as good as just writing whatever you want in 10 embedded quotes | ||
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On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote: I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats. Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches. They didnt care during night. Dont care now. MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting. I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall. Rels MZ VE Jacob Palmar Why ignore tts | ||
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On March 08 2024 06:28 Koshi wrote: TTS is not a good lynch today. I have been disappointed by townies and this could just be that. DP can shoot him. Nvm | ||
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On March 08 2024 06:30 Koshi wrote: Oh there is also dmb. Bwaa she can stay alive. We let our Mayor handle that down the line. What | ||
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On March 08 2024 06:57 Oatsmaster wrote: I need to stop talking about the night actions. I did give you a direct order mind you. | ||
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On March 08 2024 07:23 Vivax wrote: If Oats was mafia he could claim bodyguard. That‘d make it easier to survive the check and pulls more info for scum if they can‘t stop the lynch. ????? Claiming bodyguard is meaningless. | ||
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On March 08 2024 07:26 Jealous wrote: Shit, sorry. Can I get one-time permission to edit the image out of my post? He was making a joke you goof. | ||
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On March 08 2024 07:33 Vivax wrote: Why you can 1. CC, 2. Claim another role, 3. Claim BG when you get redchecked. Oats didn‘t do any of those you‘re telling me he wouldn‘t fight back as mafia after Slam survived the night. Because anyone can be a bodyguard. | ||
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On March 08 2024 07:38 Vivax wrote: The point is that it‘s always a beneficial claim when you get redchecked as maf and he didn‘t do it. Give me a single drawback of doing it. I'm just saying claiming bodyguard is meaningless. Obviously there is scum motivation to fake claim. However since are prestigious town members like to claim for no reason supposedly it kind of defeats the purpose now doesn't it. | ||
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On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway. He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either. I‘d lynch him before Oats. ##Vote marvellosity Rayn did dump everything discussed. Marv did reveal that he had a code with rayn too. Which is something scum marv should never reveal. | ||
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On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote: I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? This really feels like an act to me. | ||
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On March 08 2024 08:12 ToTheStars wrote: Why? I just saw someone saying Oats might be miller but I didn't see any post claiming a guilty and I'm too lazy to look for it. OK dude just go | ||
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On March 08 2024 09:46 CopCake wrote: Well If marv is mafia and knew rayn will doct slam, then he could have just blocked rayn and kill slam and rayn (assuming both night kills were mafia, I dont have a head to read night actions atm, zombie mode) He couldnt have known the code was right before the day post | ||
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On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote: Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop. We should have pushed harder for Rayn. May have been game losing not to to be honest. | ||
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On March 08 2024 10:02 Oatsmaster wrote: I’ll find some time to look into rels/Palmar/jealous to have a firm read at some point today. Please ask me any questions about any of my reads can you do dmb again reread the whole filter. | ||
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VE If you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTS Yes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote: DP and Vivax what are your reads? All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote: I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. Palmar I feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia. | ||
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On March 08 2024 10:48 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yee sadly I wasn't lying pre game when I said I was flying to Sydney packing for that and stuff has kept me busy What would ray and Sandro do though? with your claim you are 99.9% town even more so then the other claimers and you are the only person who didnt claim incorrectly proving yourself not to be a complete jib jub. so your perspective on all things would be welcomed. | ||
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On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. i think the same as him. Mafia would know the red check to be correct so obviously they hop on. | ||
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On March 08 2024 11:39 CopCake wrote: It needs to be me, he is convinced 100% I am mafia. If he vigs someone else besides me he is mafia. No way he shoots outside his scumread. thats not how you use a vig shot. Although i give dp the green light to go big plays for the vig shot if he wants. | ||
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On March 08 2024 11:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you you could try to do a meta analysis of yourself. | ||
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On March 08 2024 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote: This is my second game in the past like 7 years lol how much does a person really change lets be honest. | ||
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On March 08 2024 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote: That’s also because your mafia meta is so divergent from your town meta lol it aint that different i try to keep it up. Its just hard. | ||
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On March 08 2024 21:00 marvellosity wrote: But why did you claim it and risk the roleblock? I really don’t understand. We covered this. He made a mistake. | ||
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On March 08 2024 22:19 die_meatbaby wrote: Oh no. nope. No. Don't do that to me. At this point you know you can’t change the lynch. If you flip mafia it would looked better for me, because you didn't stop voting me even like after nk and slam calling out his announcement about you, you just post #votedmb. And now you know you getting lynched and we will see that you are scum. You changing your mind about me so it looked like it was M vs M here. Why me? Could you not do that shit do somebody else? Wat | ||
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On March 09 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Really is frustrating that most people checked out of today I don't think I will be around for shenanigans unfortunately | ||
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On March 09 2024 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Eh let’s get something going ##unvote ##vote ve Sure | ||
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On March 09 2024 02:31 CopCake wrote: Jelaous was like absolutely too mean to me. To the point I almost quit the game for that. He said I spoke bullshit, How is “Vivax is slapping me” a good answer? I think they are partners. First of all where was he mean. Second being mean if anything is far more likely to come from town usually. | ||
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On March 09 2024 02:45 iamperfection wrote: The race bannon this is the only thing I would take issue with. Just call him an idiot back. Thing ebwop | ||
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On March 09 2024 03:26 Alakaslam wrote: Besides VE would have been my next check That would have been an awful check imo. | ||
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On March 09 2024 03:56 Alakaslam wrote: I am not going to say straight up what I am/have been thinking for N2. Come on. Give me credit as a person who can read and write. That's not what I said at all but ok. | ||
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On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote: We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5. I have had it with people not reading the op | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote: Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess. can we stop this nonsense too. YOU know mafias are a team they come to decisions as a team. 1 member never decides everything even when there is a strong player it is always a collaboration. And with 5 of them especially so any argument so and so cant be mafia because i would have killed so and or not killed so and so. People have been triggering me with this and you haven't been the first. | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:22 iamperfection wrote: can we stop this nonsense too. YOU know mafias are a team they come to decisions as a team. 1 member never decides everything even when there is a strong player it is always a collaboration. And with 5 of them especially so any argument so and so cant be mafia because i would have killed so and or not killed so and so. People have been triggering me with this and you haven't been the first. ebwop And with 5 of them especially so any argument is nonsense that so and so cant be mafia because i would have killed so and or not killed so and so. | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote: Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check. I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think. he says this and then votes VE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:26 Palmar wrote: But yeah, I simply cannot worry about the worst case scenario (Framer) because if you lose to a successful frame there really isn't much to be done. All the other scenarios ranging from salvage-able to great Oats is mafia: great Slam is mafia: good, 1 for 1 is acceptable Oats is miller: salvageable, at least slam gets confirmed And mafia needs to shoot slam, so Vivax can play mind games whether or not to jail slam in that last scenario. Mafia can't just RB slam, because they need to RB DP if DP is town which I think is the case. why would they need to RB dp unless tothestars is 100% mafia | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I mean he also says this just prior: The only solid thing he told me in our chat is that his vote was for the lulz but maybe he just doesn't want to justify changing his mind and going with his gut? did he really say that voting for the lulz | ||
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On March 09 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote: I'm not actually caught up on today. has no time to read but has time to waste fucking 15 min on making a joke for rayn gtfo | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yes. I wasted the whisper so hard. That said, his decision to park his vote on VE instead of just throwing it on someone random like copcake sits a little better with me, assuming VE is scum, because now the vote count is pretty close and I can't imagine if he was scum with VE he'd risk that. well if all 3 were scum it wouldn't matter | ||
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On March 09 2024 03:31 Grackaroni wrote: Looking for potential replacements for https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia. The game is 250 pages so far, but there could still be plenty of time left for you to make your mark in the subsequent 500 pages! Join the mafia forum. Become a part of TL infamy! | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I actually am pretty set on copcake being scum at the moment, her votes are just horrible for a townie. It begs the question why doesn't she want to be on Oats. I think of those three Palmar is least likely to be scum. i dont agree with his latest posting. | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote: Iamperfections Palmar vote is so terrible he might be scum tbh He literally rambled for posts and just talked about mechanics incorrectly and blatantly showed he hadn't read. He was posting for the sake of posting. | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote: Iamperfections Palmar vote is so terrible he might be scum tbh who the fuck are you to call anyone terrible btw. | ||
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On March 09 2024 09:48 JacobStrangelove wrote: Out of game info or just speculation? On March 09 2024 03:31 Grackaroni wrote: Looking for potential replacements for https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia. The game is 250 pages so far, but there could still be plenty of time left for you to make your mark in the subsequent 500 pages! Join the mafia forum. Become a part of TL infamy! | ||
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On March 09 2024 10:03 JacobStrangelove wrote: More likely tts replacement than ve but sure. Unless thread is looking for two replacements specifically he voted | ||
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is that why you think hes mafia now? he wouldn't know if he is miller. bruh | ||
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On March 09 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote: He knows he is going to flip miller or vt So why would he say if he flips miller or vt. It’s when or whether he flips on of those. no he doesn't if he is town he could have also been framed this is not a reason. | ||
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i think your pain meds are fucking you up | ||
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On March 09 2024 12:11 Alakaslam wrote: dont be loose with your reads tonight force them to kill you. | ||
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Vivax jails either Jacob or Slam. If they dont roleblock vivax they risk not getting a kill off on one of them. If they do roleblock dp gets a shot off. | ||
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On March 09 2024 12:13 DarthPunk wrote: yeah slam, wifom only at this point. Im shooting palmar btw. im not gonna tell you what to do but just think about what your doing plz | ||
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ok thank you now your thinking lol | ||
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On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote: @Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. | ||
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On March 09 2024 14:40 Jealous wrote: Who was it that said that scum team would try to be rid of scum!DMB as fast as possible? I'm a bit hazy rn but I am pretty sure that was a thing. Vivax | ||
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On March 09 2024 20:28 justanothertownie wrote: That is really not convincing to me so I have to hope that it is just a longer list of tone things I don't understand that leads you to your read. Because I cannot see it. Unless you are wifoming mafia here but I think you would not do that anyways. urgh I agree with this. I don't understand either marv. A throwaway line is enough to make palmar town? | ||
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On March 09 2024 18:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Man I haven't read shit are you kidding me? I went on a date with my new gf and forgot all about the internet and its denizens until I opened Chrome and TL was a suggestion and I was like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO So no I don't have any reads on anyone who was voting for me, off the cuff, I think they're all of them mafia. Every single one. Because Oats was a framer with a claimed cop in the game and they wanted to save him, I was a viable target because I hadn't posted shit after promising to do so, and if whoever (I guess Vivax probably? He had the strongest tr on me when I left anyway) hadn't probably saved me then I'd be a dead townie and you'd still not know what's going on with Oats. The mafia wanted to save oats and kill me D2, that was the agenda. Lynch right down the line and if the game doesn't end then you'll probably already know who is next by then. Dude your so lazy vivax fucking Voted you you goof. | ||
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On March 09 2024 22:52 justanothertownie wrote: He is all over the place. In a good way. I would be very impressed if he can produce this kind of filter as mafia. Probably at least one of us will die in the night before we reach a point in time where I would consider lynching him so it is not really worth thinking about it. I give it less then 2% chance that he is scum. | ||
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On March 09 2024 23:19 marvellosity wrote: Get on my level then. May be tragically low depending on circumstances. Who is the mafia then? | ||
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On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote: This isn’t a democracy I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS | ||
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On March 10 2024 00:16 marvellosity wrote: Jat and CC probs sit somewhere in between my town and Poe lists tbh And what about meat. Did you see what we talked about after flip. | ||
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On March 10 2024 01:59 marvellosity wrote: My guess Jsl gun DP Rayn medic slam Slam check oats Mafia kill rayn, sandro Mafia rb Vivax Mafia vigilante slam roleblock framer and vig? | ||
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On March 10 2024 02:06 marvellosity wrote: Yes. 4 mafia is a little light numbers wise. And town have good roles. That sounds exactly right to me im gonna bitch slap you there is 5 mafia. | ||
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On February 22 2024 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: Setup This is a semi open setup. What that means is that all possible roles are known, but the exact setup is not known. With 21 players there will be 16 town and 5 mafia. Mafia will have 2 KP on N1/N2 and 1 KP thereafter. | ||
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On March 10 2024 04:24 Alakaslam wrote: Do I crumb any shit or do I just await an NK or do I sit around and spray piss in the air after dicking the ground or do I find a good quiet open field and toss my phone in the air to catch it once more, for it is precious, and my reflexes are too quick? there is no reason to crumb imo | ||
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On March 10 2024 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote: My tiny brain can't understand things with that level of complexity, given the goals of the factions and everything. I thought you weren't posting except to meet activity requirements instead your posting to defend yourself.... | ||
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On March 10 2024 05:21 Vivax wrote: I'm not going to send in anything tonight. I want them to see how they wasted a roleblock in postgame. just jail one of the confirmed all the way to endgame no ? | ||
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On March 10 2024 06:06 Alakaslam wrote: What am I not seeing? they can kill you to stop it leaving wifom mind bomb or leave you alive if its going to a godfather. I dont see any advantage by giving the mafia info. | ||
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On March 10 2024 06:14 Alakaslam wrote: The advantage would come from giving town info but you make an excellent point ???? you can just tell us what you did if you live. | ||
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just do anyone outside of jacob really. | ||
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i just wanted that for post game just in case. | ||
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On March 10 2024 08:53 Palmar wrote: Cause obviously lynch the scummy people but if hiding mafia is exist the is maybe iamp Your such a great player palmar you should coach. | ||
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On March 10 2024 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote: I called Vivax mafia because his hole Day 2 is just a fucking shit show compared to his usuall Town games. but what bothers me is that I still don´t believe he could claim jk as mafia. It´s just tooo fucking risky. Day 2 is just so shit that I have to consider him as potential scum what if ve is mafia | ||
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On March 10 2024 11:50 die_meatbaby wrote: yeah lets lynch him later in the game. He don´t want to play here anymore because we always lynch him so early pls respect that. But yes quite safe lynch tbh im asking in the terms of your view of vivax | ||
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Iamperfection innocent child. More townie then even those confirmed by mechanics JacobStrangelove Only way to be scum would be if he and DP were scum together which I consider to be almost impossible. Alakaslam cop god DarthPunk I would be shocked if he isn’t town cared about everything that has happened voted me like a dummy which I don’t think he would do as scum. Wont shut up. Kept town on track to lynch oats Vivax Corrupt mayor. He’s like that politician everyone keeps electing despite numerous scandals and revelations but we keep electing because we have no choice. But hes posting a lot and seems to care about whats happening marvellosity has felt lazy for some stretches but I don’t know I feel like hes had some genuine posts and I felt like I was actually talking to him. When he was in that recent game with me where he was mafia a lot more his posts looking back looked contrived where he had to “play” fun when he wasn’t really. He also had some mind meld posts where he posted the exact same thing as I did. Still if he gets more lazy ride his ass. as some stuff can certianly be explained such as rayn dying but i doubt it. Rels- I honestly keep forgetting he is in the game which is never a good sign to being town. I kind of like the callout of jealous he had recently and also his analysis of what happened with DMB right at the deadline so possibly town Meapak_Ziphh- I guess its possible to be scum but i dont know i think i can understand his posting especially at the time of the lynch in what he was doing. Also remembered the cake thing when i asked. Also some aggresiveness in his posting justanothertownie- Eh hard to say has some overly deffensive posts which suggest a scum mindset. Post #5588 stands out to me as being overly deffensive. Post 5525 is a list post which reaches no conclusion so not sure why it would be posted. Possible scum but i dont feel that strong about it Koshi- has had some prickliness that I would think is more likely to come from town. Also has gone after marv day 1 which I think he is unlikely to do as mafia and he hasn’t done it in that contrived way he did in that recent game where he made a case on dp. However the most recent posts dosn't seems to have the same prickliness i guess feeling bad about stuff and what not. pretty null die_meatbaby- I think someone said that they posted the list post in response but that came from rels easily could have been ignored and not posted. I also don’t see how do I put this the shrillness I guess when meat was mafia.Where they would just go like omg how could you do this etc etc. Now has the wifom mind bomb of oats pre planning a bus to start the day which didn’t seem necessary in the game state when it happened. Oats does talk about meat a lot though so maybe they were doing something of a play. Has nonsensical tunnels. i could go either way at this point Jealous- I had a weird feels ever since he returned to the game. His posting was very neat and structured for someone with little time. Had some aggresiveness though which is more likely to come from town. I dont see it to be impossible. Rels made a good point in post 5430 so pretty null here. Palmar I really think marv is being clouded by meta here. His posts don’t make sense to me and he doesn’t appear to be scum hunting. Tunneled Rayn for no reason despite rayn being obvious town imo and ignored any evidence. Has no time but was able to waste time making a fake case on dead rayn. Calls me mafia devoid of any reasoning. I don’t buy the drunk posting either. I don’t see scum hunting I see mafia. CopCake VisceraEyes Complete lack of logic in a ton of posts. General inactivity and after a not enough time to post post simply comes back to defend himself which is 100% scum mindset. ToTheStars see my post about his word choice in his comeback posts scum. I would be shocked if not scum | ||
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no i mean for the lynch | ||
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wouldnt worry about the edit if meat was mafia? | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:11 die_meatbaby wrote: Town points for DP btw why points really ? | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:14 DarthPunk wrote: I want to vote cake, see what her read progression is, then I want to see what VE does. probably the same thing he has done all game | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote: So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely | ||
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lol why does it matter. are you serious now. | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:19 die_meatbaby wrote: Sorry i think I am getting blind. Can you help me to see it? i dont know if your trolling but DP shot mafia.... i think you can put 2 and 2 together. | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:23 die_meatbaby wrote: yeah he is town. I was wrong I got that. But where is the bus? he was making a joke. Because its obviously not a bus and would be the most legendary play of all time to shoot your scum partner for cred. | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:31 Vivax wrote: That’s why we are voting copcake to eliminate the rival couple. If i remember right i think rayn even said he thought cop was mafia | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:32 Rels wrote: Unecessary too, since I assume not using the shot and using it to kill a townie during the last night would gain scum a mislynch. So it would even be playing actively against their wincon With shot => 10 town vs 3 scum now => 3 ML before LYLO Without shot => 9 town (with the gun being used later) vs 4 scum => 2 ML before LYLO BTW 3 more mislynches allowed, nice. And that's assuming we don't lynch the RB at some point before all BGs die, which would open up the possibility for night saves i cant believe you wasted time calculating that lol. | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:33 die_meatbaby wrote: why do I have to be with here in a team? I have nothing to do with her. how the actuall fuck? ??????? | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:36 die_meatbaby wrote: cake beeing not just mafia but mafia roleblocker what would be such an importend role in this game would make more sense for her hiding. She just appears enough so it looks like her towngame but she really doesn´t play the same. so why not vote cake | ||
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On March 10 2024 12:50 DarthPunk wrote: If I was mafia, I just don't claim I have the shot at all. then you out yourself to the smith if you were mafia. The proper play was to claim it just before the deadline or crumb it if unable before deadline. | ||
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On March 10 2024 15:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: They killed a fellow drunk poster  They will die Its saturday, im gonna be useless here the rest of the night I have all day tomrorrow and will be in this thread no matter how hungover i promise no reaction to what just happened? | ||
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On February 22 2024 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: Setup This is a semi open setup. What that means is that all possible roles are known, but the exact setup is not known. With 21 players there will be 16 town and 5 mafia. Mafia will have 2 KP on N1/N2 and 1 KP thereafter. | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is better than your VE read. What did you thunk of DPvCake? Meapak can you explain your thinking when you said this about ve. | ||
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On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote: Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post: I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote: I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:18 Vivax wrote: I want to yeet VE first anyway. Iamp will probably rant our ears off about how it‘s bad but we are better than that. i would be fine with lynching ve. | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote: Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing. | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:23 justanothertownie wrote: VE is as closed to claimed scum as you can get without actually doing so. So yeah, I for once agree with Vivax. yeah i think he has to be mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote: This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion. they post less as mafia. but if you look at the recent mafia game its less posting then here but in context of the game it was one of the largest filters in the game. | ||
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On March 11 2024 01:36 Jealous wrote: I mean, they also spend 5 posts at a time exploring the same topic, one sentence at a time, sometimes consecutively. So volume isn't a good metric for them in this game IMO. It's not like they've actually typed all that many words total; their filter is more than double mine by post volume, but in terms of word count, I'd reckon mine is bigger than theirs, for example. But, no matter. I think they were active enough where their level of activity is NAI IMO. Compared to someone like TTS, VE, etc. so vote ve no? | ||
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On March 11 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote: The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm. VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely. well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well. | ||
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On March 11 2024 02:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up. But slam has to flip at some point | ||
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On March 11 2024 03:59 Koshi wrote: Ah it's 300 even. Dafuq. You people are maniacs It's dp's fault. | ||
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On March 11 2024 05:47 DarthPunk wrote: What games of cake do you want me to read perfection? none i was just looking through them all and i thought it was clear that less activity meant scum but the most recent scum game had one of the larger filters in the game so i threw that thought out. Even though it was less posting in the context of that game it was a lot of posting. | ||
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On March 11 2024 05:53 DarthPunk wrote: Yes. I saw that too. And most of it was a tunnel on me. I want to see cake have actual reads and comments about someone that is not me before I get off a wagon. And I also have issues with people having vague references to her meta while ignoring the objectively scummy shit she has done this game. i dont know the still trying to "figure out" your alignment just seems so bizarre for either alignment. | ||
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On March 11 2024 08:46 DarthPunk wrote: Fine I’ll swap. Whatever. As long as you lynch her tomorrow Vote:VE we still have tomorrow. | ||
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On March 11 2024 09:18 DarthPunk wrote: My issue is, that I had a correct scum read on Cake last time, and then everyone did the same thing they are doing here and ignored it and called her town. And I ended getting pushed off the read like I am here. And I just don't think self-voting when it won't make any difference start of day, and matyring explains away all the scummy shit she has done this game. could it just be both? | ||
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On March 11 2024 09:25 DarthPunk wrote: It could be, I already explained the difference. well im sure if you try really hard you can get what you want. | ||
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On March 11 2024 10:19 Vivax wrote: If you want me to be more toxic than you all you have to do is ask. You guys moan when JK claims D1 but when someone claims scum in your face you just shrug. Now you just go for self sabotage. Winner mindset obviously. yeah it was very self sabotage of me to want to vote the other blue for mayor. | ||
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On March 11 2024 10:29 Vivax wrote: You aren't playing the game discussing reads you prefer to throw yourself at the floor and throw a tantrum about how it isn't your preferred mayor. Do you need a month off to cope with that fact or something? ive given a read on every player in the game | ||
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On March 11 2024 10:31 Vivax wrote: That's true but you dismiss evidence I present simply because I became the JK mayor and instead go on your bully route. are you purposely trying to antagonize me? it wont work. | ||
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On March 11 2024 23:35 die_meatbaby wrote: I mean I would not be mad to vote Palmar. It is always a good choice, but either of his aligment he don´t give a fuck about anything and is ignoring stuff and players as well as I saw in the last game Always a good choice??? Why | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:10 Palmar wrote: Oats led the lynch at one point in day one. Vivax, the presumptive mayor who actually held a KP on day 1 was voting him. That’s different from now when Vivax has no KP. This is factually true. However the way you talk about it is more how a scum would think about it then town lol. He wasn't a huge focus of conversation imo but I could see why you were worried about it lol | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:07 justanothertownie wrote: What are you talking about? Oats was never seriously pushed in this game before slam claimed his check. Vivax talks about a lot of stuff - am I supposed to think dp is in danger to be lynched today? Because our mayor said he is mafia. I don't know koshi I like this point he just brought up. It's how I remember day1. | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:18 die_meatbaby wrote: You never gave me a Townread in the past games? Why now? What's different? Why do you trust MZ so much that you see me as Town? That's using your head for once. | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:49 CopCake wrote: I do not like how DP and JSL change votes like if they were socks. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621825-a-classy-vote-thread?page=5 This is a serious MATTER. Just stop talking about dp he is town. If you don't like him that's fine. Stop | ||
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On March 12 2024 00:52 CopCake wrote: Oatsmaster also had an obsession with DMB That is true. What do you make of it. | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:34 Vivax wrote: I made a horrible list with TTS + Oats town at this point in the game and explained why I put TTS as town and look at what MZ replied. He just backed off his attack with this post: And read my post as if I was seeing something wrong with him when it was the opposite so that's indication of TMI because he was expecting me to scumread him. That last response is reasonable no? | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:11 Palmar wrote: I have the same feeling about MZ btw, he somehow has like 15 pages of filter and I can barely remember a single thing he has said. And his takes have been worse than iamp. Also some dead townies I trust said iamp is town so that's good enough for me for the moment. My issue is for someone saying I have had low impact. I feel like your only impact is to defend yourself. You avoid large clashes because "you don't think that way" and hide behind policy and can we really allow this kind of play. It just seems your posting for appearance to me. | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:51 Vivax wrote: No he misread it as me wanting to scumread TTS for it when I was giving him a townread for scumreading Trfel. He must've thought TTS looked scummy and that I was pointing it out when I was doing the opposite so imo it gave MZ away by replying like that. He's responding directly to tts | ||
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On March 05 2024 01:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is better than your VE read. What did you thunk of DPvCake? On March 05 2024 10:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm glad that someone pointed this out, I would be willing to vote VE as well as cake at this point because the lack of activity after promising to lynch a lurker is pretty bad. He had this imbetween what is that 8 hours which is odd I would say. | ||
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On March 12 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote: I should have quoted with the strikes but yeah, phone posting. Where is DMB? Phone posting and you removed the strikes? | ||
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On March 12 2024 02:11 iamperfection wrote: Phone posting and you removed the strikes? Oh you copy pasted lol | ||
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On March 12 2024 02:14 CopCake wrote: Like TTS was goon Oats framer JAT roleblocker/vig/strongarm/godfather Would you lose a power role over a goon? I don't understand this logic at all | ||
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On March 12 2024 03:00 CopCake wrote: Idk Like confirmed mafia oats votes mafia JAT when his confirmed scumbuddy TTS is getting grilled. Why risk losing Mafia JAT when Oats could have parked the vote on DMB or Tfrel? To win town cred? That's a more sensible point when you drop all the role nonsense. But it's hard to say maybe he saw that trfel was getting lynched no matter what so why not jump somewhere else to avoid the mislynch wagon mafia or not. | ||
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On March 12 2024 03:12 justanothertownie wrote: True, but makes even more sense with a TvT wagon situation. Well it makes sense both ways no? If he thinks trfel goes no matter what. | ||
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On March 12 2024 05:09 Palmar wrote: Like this is out of game stuff, but I really, really believe in game integrity, and always have. This game is fun because we make it fun. Sometimes it's hard to motivate yourself to go get shit done, but people have to remember it's not about them. It's about making sure everyone else is having a real game to play. I do the same | ||
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On March 12 2024 05:13 Palmar wrote: Do we know if CC does this as town? I think I've played with her before but it's been so long I can't remember. I am not going to catch her on logic and arguments because nothing in the way she thinks about the game chimes at all with how I think about it. If I remember something cc said themselves about making more sense as mafia. Not sure if true. I only glanced through the old games when looking through. Mafia games were real old the one that was real recent I couldn't come to a conclusion. | ||
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On March 12 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote: You probably should then. The resistance to her lynch is insane btw. Like she looks terrible all game. Is called out by Rayn day one. Rayn dies night one. I still don’t know a scum read of hers other than Rels and palmar I guess. No idea why. Rels at least is a straight up omgus. The maturing and self vote were gross. I really don’t understand the town reads on her. Basicallly I’m putting it down to 1.) she is mafia or 2.) she is town and mafia are spewing tmi here. I won't be around for deadline maybe just before I can get there so I leave on cake. | ||
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On March 12 2024 05:48 Vivax wrote: You won‘t die tonight cause I‘ll tunnel the shit out of you Can you actually stop it causes me pain reading the posts and some of the responses. I understand what your trying to do but it makes the thread painful. | ||
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On March 12 2024 06:03 CopCake wrote: Also is ok if you lynch me, I think VE is town, he could have parked his vote on me and afk but he didnt, he also put effort in reading and I do believe his rage of getting mad because he put EFFORT and got ignored. He did park his vote on you then afked to start though. | ||
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On March 12 2024 06:05 justanothertownie wrote: For what its worth the bolded does not and has not convinced me now or before. What's the mafia motivation behind openly antagonizing you like that? The focus on you and the night actions was bit much, yes. Tunneling one person for a majority of the game doesn't look scum motivated to you? | ||
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On March 12 2024 06:08 justanothertownie wrote: Imperfection might be the best and at the same time most offensive way to misspell his name. Genius. It's an old joke trust me he didn't invent it | ||
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On March 12 2024 07:02 Palmar wrote: Oh he absolutely did, not sure that says anything though How can it not say anything? I don't get why you openly reject what he is saying. It looks like your not trying to figure out his or cc alignment. Which of course is super scummy. | ||
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On March 12 2024 07:10 DarthPunk wrote: unvote vote:ve I don't think this is right, but one of them wants to play the game and the other doesn't. Well they both don't want to play lol | ||
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On March 12 2024 07:18 Koshi wrote: But I cant vote cc anymore. I need you guys to flip her. My father always scolded me when I said I can't | ||
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On March 12 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote: Why does it seem like the only person who cares about this lynch is me? Let's do cop | ||
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On March 12 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, and you way of doing that is extremely aggressive. I experienced that day1. He has in no way harassed cop. Calling someone mafia is not harassment. | ||
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On March 12 2024 07:39 Vivax wrote: Nice Vote stays on Mz so I look like a stubborn grumpy old goat Stop it. Even if you are right there is little time. That lynch isn't happening today. | ||
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On March 12 2024 10:45 Rels wrote: I think you should switch to VE. In addition to him just being scum, I don't think CopCake is do you think there is any possibility they are both scum? | ||
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On March 12 2024 10:31 Rels wrote: But from where I am in my catching up, VE should 100% be the lynch. The only post I didn't dislike was the Koshi case, but apart from that, textbook scum. Come back with a few big posts at the best time to not waste effort, during the last half of the day. Write cases that sound good but doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Martyr and GTFO i kind of feel the same about this. | ||
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On March 12 2024 11:23 Jealous wrote: Ngl this made me chuckle IRL though so thanks for that i was very disappointed i had to delete my bragging gif. | ||
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On March 12 2024 01:06 Palmar wrote: I wanna talk a little about VE. I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this game. He is playing incredibly "scummy" by not posting and just not taking part in the game, and he knows this. He has even pointed out, a few times I think, that he is being scummy. All of his posts are incredibly standoff-ish. The feeling I get is that every other thing he says is just "COME AT ME BRUH". So what do I do with that? There is absolutely a chance that in his mind he's trying to... teach us a lesson? It's just so hard for me to justify wrangling myself into a position where it isn't just fake mafia bravado. If we had less time, if we were one lynch away from lylo, I'd probably be doubting this lynch a little more, but as it stands I just can't find a non-stupid reason to call him town. The problem is I can find a stupid reason to call him town and I can't be fully confident it isn't the case. But with time, lynching him is almost a no-brainer. He has, by far, the shortest filter of the players remaining, he hasn't done anything to help town. When reading through some of his stuff early on day 1 I found myself agreeing when someone scolded him and told him to try to be a good townie. Like if you just make a list of people from those who have done the most to try to advance and solve the game (DP) to the least (VE) it makes basically no sense to let him get away with acting this way. This kind of playing is just not useful down the line. Feel like palmar knew ve was town. The whole teach us a lesson part. | ||
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On March 12 2024 13:59 DarthPunk wrote: People on VE over oats look really bad. People on VE over cake look really bad. Well that fits palmar. It fits me too but we can ignore that part. | ||
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On March 12 2024 19:30 JacobStrangelove wrote: The case for Palmer being Scum. Point Number 1. He thought I was town early on, That’s sus as fuck nobody ever thinks I’m town when I’m town. 2. Marv, Trfel, Slam, VE, JSL, all confirmed town thought he was scum. 3. He posts lots of “Hey guys this is the right policy play guys this is great Mafia advice, Oh actually scum hunting? Naw lets only do policy and correct TM play moves” Like in the last day or so he’s basically only just done mild oh these guys are all still scummy vaguely in a pile for… reasons… yes so keep them in mind to lynch when I’m still alive day 6 and it’s lylo. 4. He’s sheeping DP hard and DP is falling for it because DP likes being called smart. 5. He’s always on the “wrong” lynch target/the target that doesn’t get lynched. Day one Oh what’s this? Was never on Oats, was never on TTS, went on JAT but wasn’t on the main lynch, does he know they are both town? Only ever voted one person and stayed there. Oh what’s this? Oatsmaster has a confirmed red check? Never on him. Not even once, decisively counter meta. Blatantly so. Nearly the entire game was on Oats at one point and sure some changed but Palmer? No… not the red check? Can’t vote them ever… no doubt in his mind he’s not voting Oats. Only on VE. What’s this? Is this Palmer once again on VE only with not a single other vote? Man it’s so townie to never doubt your read ever because why would you if you know they’re all town? What? You mean the counter wagon to the confirmed red check that almost got lynched even when the other person had a red check? No they can’t be town they must be scum. Can’t do association cases until people flip Palmer keeps saying that, can’t do association cases after people flip either because Uhhh you’ll find scum that way we don’t want that! My man has never once voted for scum in this game. Not even accidentally. My man has never even gotten close to voting for scum in this game. May I present reason number 6. Confirmed town VE’s case on Palmer. Reason number 7. Yo JAT, MZ, you are next in his firing line? If you are town fucking vote him maybe? Don’t let him kill you too. Rels Iamp Jealous? Are any of you town? Do you want to be next? If you’re town in this I bet at least one of you is his scum buddy so he won’t be voting them it’ll be you that dies when Mafia needs another lynch. Koshi, cc, dmb He’s not considering you, yay you’re safe from Mafia killing you! After all he needs you on side to kill the others. But look at the post again, were there any reasons behind his reads in this list post? Nope nothing there at all backing up his reads. You are simply Palmers tool of destruction against your fellow town. 8. Fear is the mindkiller, Victory favours the bold Fear not friends we can brave this new day. We can kill the Evil that lurks in this town, Fear not men and women of Grackville! We will triumph and see a new dawn, we will see a new day where fear does not run this town! If ever you fear death, if you ever are presented with a hammer do stay the course and run this vagabond out of town. While I may die for giving my reads before the night ends I have faith you will execute my will and testament. I fear not death from gunshot nor inability to play and win I trust the town I see before me. Do not fear, and do not doubt IamPerfection, Do not waver in spirit as yesterdays lynch was likely TvT all is forgiven, if you stay on the path of righteousness. MZ, Master case poster, Realiser that you alone can absolve your past misdeeds and solve the game. Vivax: Glorious Mayor, Trust in your town, do not let paranoia ruin your mind we are men of metal. Trust in me, Trust in DP trust in Town. Execute the Pretender. JAT: Man of the people Targeted by Palmer the bringer of Doom. I have faith in you. I believe. You can make the right choice. Jealous: My beloved child. One who fights to find scum and has earned my respect. Stay the course Kill the Vile being. DMB: This Palmer dude likes clowns. He must die. CC: Battered child, Ignore DP, even if he survives the night, don’t listen to his read on you listen to my read on you, I see now with VE being Town it’s likely you are both town. The agent of destruction has been revealed to us. It was Palmer all along. Rels: I’ll be honest I ain’t so sure on you but I am so sure on Palmer so like idk kill him. Koshi: You are either mafia or the antichrist has clouded your sight. Just like. Idk think about it let him die. DP: No seriously he’s saying “the right thing” and getting the wrong result every time. Just like think about it you don’t want to be tricked by him sheeping your right? You would look like totally dumb if he sheeped you to a win. My friends my fellow’s my brothers. If I die tonight fear not. With every post Palmer makes ignore it! Chant DEATH TO THE PRETENDER! DEATH TO THE HERETIC! DEATH TO PALMER! If he suggests a wagon do not think do not feel chant! DEATH TO THE PRETENDER! DEATH TO THE HERETIC! DEATH TO PALMER! If you feel your soul wavering fear not trust in the chant, believe in the chant. DOWN WITH THE PRETENDER! DEATH TO THE HERETIC! DEATH TO PALMER! If I die I leave this in your hands. I need at least one page in your filter each dedicated to the chat when morning breaks. Over 48 hours it isn’t unreasonable. Thank you for putting the work in so I don't have to. | ||
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On March 12 2024 21:00 Koshi wrote: The balance between being good for town mrotecting the thread and making waves to catch scum leans heavily towards the first. I don't understand | ||
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On March 12 2024 22:23 Palmar wrote: Here, if people want to do the work, the last 2 games I've played as mafia: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/544405-fibonacci-mafia?user=Palmar&view=all https://tl.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Palmar Fibonacci dosnt even really count from what I see. So damn it's been a long time you were due. | ||
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On March 13 2024 00:06 Koshi wrote: Think I am ok with voting Palmar tomorrow. I dont know if he is mafia but the people I mafia read are town and my townreads mafia. So this is a fresh breath of air. What an odd thing to say. | ||
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On March 13 2024 01:28 die_meatbaby wrote: this post confuse me. why not arguing with me about why I think you are scum and trying to change my mind? Why putting yourself up to a lynchwagon? Or are you just lazy mafia? brings up a valid point | ||
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also as an aside https://tl.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=Palmar This game is insane and has marv rayn and palmar at endgame and i have no memory of it lol. | ||
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On March 13 2024 04:35 Koshi wrote: No. I didnt. I didnt have anything to say outside the thread. i dont understand your thinking at all on this. I understand even less why you would admit to it. | ||
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On March 13 2024 08:11 justanothertownie wrote: I mean I agree that being interested is a thing that is towny. But he certainly does not have to be town for that. It draws unnecessary attention I would think. Why not just sit back and relax | ||
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Iamperfection innocent child. More townie then even those confirmed by mechanics JacobStrangelove Only way to be scum would be if he and DP were scum together which I consider to be almost impossible. DarthPunk He is town. Way too invested. The shoot mafia partner theory I put at less then .02 % Vivax He town. His insane muck up the thread that nobody with half a brain on mafia team would buy just posting too much no reason to doubt the claim. die_meatbaby - I think there are just some posts that show a tiny bit of critical thinking. Don’t think they would be capable of that as mafia. justanothertownie- Eh hard to say has some overly deffensive posts which suggest a scum mindset. Post #5588 stands out to me as being overly deffensive. Post 5525 is a list post which reaches no conclusion so not sure why it would be posted. Possible scum but i dont feel that strong about it. More recently had some posts where he was trying to figure stuff out I guess. Don’t feel too strong here. Meapak_Ziphh- I guess its possible to be scum but i dont know i think i can understand his posting especially at the time of the lynch in what he was doing. Also remembered the cake thing when i asked. Also some aggresiveness in his posting Rels- I kind of like the callout of jealous he had recently and also his analysis of what happened with DMB right at the deadline so possibly town. If cop is mafia ballsy play and if town seems unnecessary to me. i think possibly town. Jealous- I had a weird feels ever since he returned to the game. I thought his posting right after the flip was weird he goes I hate you all then extends an olive branch? I feel like I cant read this guy though. CopCake Koshi - The way he handled the whisperer is so bizarre to me. What rayn did is what i expect a town member to do. his posting recently seems depressed which I don’t understand why. The recent the lynch tomorrow is koshi or palmar almost feels like a play to me. I haven't really felt koshis presence this game. Palmar I really think marv is being clouded by meta here. His posts don’t make sense to me and he doesn’t appear to be scum hunting. Tunneled Rayn for no reason despite rayn being obvious town imo and ignored any evidence. Has no time but was able to waste time making a fake case on dead rayn. Calls me mafia devoid of any reasoning. I don’t buy the drunk posting either. I don’t see scum hunting I see mafia. I feel like if you look at his town games he tends to more aggressive with people and confrontational. Jacob has some great points some better then others especially palmar voting for ve over oats especially when palmar has been lecturing about proper ways to play. I also think he somewhat broke the veil when we had our bromance moment about playing to win. Both Koshi and palmar have the thoughts this game is now a new mini almost feels like the pep talk they gave themselves after losing two mafia in the same cycle. | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:24 Rels wrote: ??? CopCake, why would you lynch Palmar? He's confirmed town in your view, since DP said he would shoot him during N2. throwing busses around on each other maybe ? | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:28 Jealous wrote: To be fair, as scum!Koshi he could have just never claimed it and the thought that it went to scum would still be the default, so honestly him claiming it later in the cycle is NAI at worst IMO. It feels.like he hasn't been thinking at all though about it. Which is scummy. | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:30 Rels wrote: unless he's scum and someone else on his team got it but can't/don't want to handle the heat of talking 1:1 withs someone or claiming in thread that they can't be assed what do you mean? just not use it then ??? | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote: Kind of lost I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario you dont think palmar ? | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:39 Rels wrote: ?? The logic is extremely stupid, I don't buy it for a second. I talked a lot of about why Vivax HAD to be roleblocked But CopCake believed it vehemently during D3, why would she drop it? I would bet that at least 30 posts are dedicated to defending this theory. She was also right in her world view, VE was a target and he flipped town! this is correct i think | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:43 Rels wrote: The dumbtells are in bold Does it really post this as scum? Especially DMB was pushed for a seemingly forced dumbtell earlier? I have a hard time seeing this. I know it's a little dumb but I really do what are you saying that he didnt pick up that jacob had claimed gunsmith? | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:48 Rels wrote: As town that's the explanation yeah As scum, it's impossible he doesn't know IMO, it would be talked about in their Discord. So as scum, that's an intentional dumbtell eh i dont know about that. The first dumb tell was after marv had already done the same thing i believe. The second one is just not reading the thread as closely which feels scummy to me. You have a point though. | ||
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On March 13 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote: lol I totally forgot about the changes to the deadline, was just about to write out my reads and then it didn't matter. we run on freedom time. | ||
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On March 13 2024 11:16 Vivax wrote: Begins with townies self voting, and the character of some conversations i mean mechanically self voting needs to be allowed with the vengeful townie im sure the host would step in if something crazy happened not sure why your worrying about this. | ||
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On March 13 2024 11:35 Rels wrote: If CC is town, I think I can make the case that I'm confirmed town by anyone that knows perfectly how I work as scum IE only me probably lol. But I can probably back it up with screenshots with some past scum chat if it comes to that VE in the game is always a free mislynch. No way he survives until the end of the game. He can and should be kept alive for as long as possible, it's impossible that he's not lynched at some point. CopCake is far from that. As scum, in the position of yesterday, I would never push for a VE lynch. CC being lynched was a way better scenario I don't understand the second paragraph. Bed for real now | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote: As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. You mean how he says felt genuine | ||
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On March 13 2024 11:52 Vivax wrote: I can't be mafia with any of you, all of you must be mafia. I guess he's not really considering any options which is to your point | ||
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On March 13 2024 12:19 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone think vivax could be mafia here? I would put it at a similar position to you. Less then 1% the only scenario I see was claiming to stop rayn becoming mayor when the town circle was forming. However his claim was not done in a calculated manner imo. Plus too risky imo and he's been way to invested and the pretend your scum to confuse mafia seems like 5th level thinking. | ||
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On March 13 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote: Anyone who was sure of copcake being mafia should at least consider that iamp voted to save her and could be scum, or am I wrong? You would think it would be viewed as at least as a small possibility. | ||
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On March 13 2024 12:38 Vivax wrote: He was claimed blue he was always going to die first. No one is townier than that. OK so what's your point then | ||
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On March 13 2024 12:41 Vivax wrote: Tell me why it's crazy to think Jealous is mafia in isolation? It isnt | ||
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On March 13 2024 20:31 CopCake wrote: Veteran (you have 1 bulletproof vest. If shot at night your vest will break but you will survive. You will die if shot at night a second time. If roleblocked your vest doesn't protect you. You will not be notified if you are shot.) His shot in the thread confirmed on tts you goof. | ||
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On March 13 2024 21:20 Palmar wrote: Think it's a little towny of mz to call me mafia. What's your view of koshi. | ||
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On March 13 2024 21:41 Palmar wrote: It's very complicated. And I want to preface by saying I kind want to go read his filter. This is all written from memory and subject to change. I'll talk through some of it. First of all, I have a mental expectation of Koshi that may or may not be wrong. We all build these models of players we've played with repeatedly and then try to compare them to our mental model. Here are the things that really fit my model of what Koshi is like: - He makes a lot of sense when thinking objectively about the game and how it should be played. I particularly noted that he was one of the few people I completely agreed with how to deal with Vivax' claim on day 1. It annoyed me that the mason triangle disagreed with the view that Koshi and I had. - He makes a lot of overconfident reads and does it in an abrasive manner. He is active in the thread and seems to be anticipating interactions, like today he is actively waiting for me to come back. Here are the things that don't fit with my model: - He was way too quick to dismiss his own scumread on me. Part of the model we build about people is how they interact with ourselves. In my model Koshi basically calls me mafia every game regardless of alignment and wants me dead so bad all the time. It's almost unfair to assume he should be wrong about me. This point is slightly important because I have objectively not played all that well this game, especially if jat not mafia. I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision. So what about the things he says? I honestly don't know. Koshi is really good at making sense as mafia, and because of the way he approaches the game it's difficult to catch him on the content. Like there is a case to be made that his Oats towncase could make him lock town, or we should lynch him for it as mafia. He has, at times, been advocating for keeping morale up in the thread, which is a townie thing to do. He made another towncase, this time on CC. I am not nearly as convinced that CC is town as Koshi, in fact I think she is one of the more likely people to flip mafia, mostly because I start liking other people more. I don't think Koshi can be answered today, and I don't think he needs to be answered today. My opinion is that we should be exclusively looking at the people that are most likely to flip mafia, and despite some concern, I don't think Koshi is there. Oh btw, he did at some point... maybe even twice.... traitor-bait. How can you not bring up that he's basically said lynch himself or you? | ||
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On March 13 2024 21:49 Palmar wrote: That is expected behavior. I don't think that makes him mafia, if anything it's a townie thing to do for him. So who is mafia then. | ||
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On March 13 2024 00:06 Koshi wrote: Think I am ok with voting Palmar tomorrow. I dont know if he is mafia but the people I mafia read are town and my townreads mafia. So this is a fresh breath of air. On March 13 2024 07:29 Koshi wrote: I will be voting Palmar tomorrow. Day after that JAT. I dont care about much more and will probably slow down posting. Tomorrow I will read Rels. I think that should be enough. On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote: I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me. Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me? Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB. On March 13 2024 01:23 Koshi wrote: I think a Palmar and Koshi wagon is fair tomorrow. In honor of VE. | ||
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On March 13 2024 21:57 Palmar wrote: This is just standard Koshi blustering, why do you think it's relevant? Him soft martyring has to say something. He also goes from I don't know if he is mafia to being like super confident how do you not see that and it doesn't stick out? | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:00 Palmar wrote: By the way I feel like I've noticed you getting hung on weird stuff that is completely expected several times this game iamp. The only reason I'm givivng you a tiny town read is that I think I'm sheeping marv. ? You have played with me before why do you have to sheep marv | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:11 Palmar wrote: See this is the kinda shit that bothers me. Why wouldn't I sheep marv? He's a really, really good town player that I respect. What on earth is weird about that? I'll do a highlight of other instances of you being weird: For some reason iamp doesn't know why people write cases? Cases are there to convince other people of your existing conclusions... usually. Iamp gets mad and claims to have lead the wagon on day 1? I don't remember it that way, but I didn't care much about the trfel wagon. Why do you care? Iamp complains about me and rayn arguing with each other in the process of figuring out each other's alignment? Why not just let us hash it out? Iamp for some reason doesn't know what a policy lynch is? It's all strange and I don't really like it. Not even sure it makes him mafia, just annoying to deal with. I would need to dive into that filter of endless oneliners to actually reach a harder conclusion but it's whatever. It's not endless one liners. I am clearly town you not seeing that on your own makes me think your mafia because your clearly not reading my posts then. I have given my thoughts on every player in the game several times. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:15 Palmar wrote: I was perfectly fine with the little interaction between her and Vivax where they were worrying about axe murderers. They seemed to agree they're safe. Keep thinking that... What are you saying? | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:16 Palmar wrote: He said replying with a oneliner. Hey I know I'm almost (but not quite) as bad as treating forum mafia as an IM tool. And I do NOT deny not having read your filter. That's literally what I'm saying. I haven't read it so I'm relying on other people who called you town and deciding to worry about you later. It just seems like your clearly not trying to figure out the game to me. How have you missed several big posts. You haven't read at all? Your just filter diving? | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:02 Palmar wrote: Because koshi does this kind of shit every game. Did you read that part of my mental image of him is the "abrasive overconfident" way he does things? This is EXACTLY that. It's just his way of saying he wants to lynch me. Do you agree with this koshi? | ||
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On March 13 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote: Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing. You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example: You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3. The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it? You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that. Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter. Will you vote palmar? | ||
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On March 13 2024 23:59 Koshi wrote: The bolded is something that I call disengaging. Shows you dont really want to talk to this person. Another thing that I notice is that Jealous asks at least 5 times after his read post on an opinion on JAT. Which is fucking weird.because JAT was a non factor this entire game. Not necessarily true. Jat was a major wagon day 1. | ||
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Oh yeah. That's kind of weak palmar said the same thing to in reference to me. | ||
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On March 14 2024 00:40 Vivax wrote: There is no tunnel I can dig. That‘s the closure you‘re offering because you‘re afraid of engaging with this. You‘re all buzzwords and bravado and nothing behind it. I have had similar feelings. | ||
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On March 14 2024 00:52 Jealous wrote: Talking to confirmed town that is going to drive yet another mislynch wagon with their tunnel vision, yes. But you're right, I said I'm done talking to Vivax because it's clear he is dug in and will never change his mind, so I'm just wasting my breath by continuing. How you know mislynch. Why not just go read palmar? | ||
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On March 14 2024 01:02 Jealous wrote: Because I'm town and lynching town is a mislynch? Because I'm hopping back and forth from work, when diving filters I'd prefer to do it on a break or after my shift. He isn't even voting you? | ||
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On March 14 2024 01:30 Palmar wrote: It's not relevant information until I actually make a choice on who I want to lynch. It is somehwat interesting that jat hasn't really commented much on what is going on today. Who is the most likely scum right now in your opinion? | ||
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On March 14 2024 04:26 iamperfection wrote: He had tts and hapa not in the same bunch too at one point. Palmar that is | ||
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I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. | ||
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On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote: This is the read in which DP is town Night 1.- + Show Spoiler + -Jacob gives a gun to DP (Confirmed) That is understandable because Jacob loves DP and trusts him. -Slam checks Oats (Confirmed) -Rayn protected Slam according to Marv, and it fits. We know Marv was town so. -Vivax Jailed DP - Rayn died - Sandro died Conclusion: In my opinion, a mafia vig went for Slam, and Rayn saved him. This is not confirmed, but it is the most likely scenario. I also think Vivax was blocked during this phase. It is not confirmed, but it is very probable. Night 2.- + Show Spoiler + -DP shoots TTS (Confirmed) - Vivax jails slam - Slam dies - Marv dies Conclusion: In this case, it is very likely that Vivax got blocked (duh), and Slam died. This makes me very certain there is a roleblocker. Assuming there is a JK and a Confirmed JOAT, I think balance-wise, there should be a roleblocker, but that is my view of this world. Following this idea (DP town) makes me believe that DP didn't get blocked because 1.- TTS was already getting grilled, and his inactivity would have made him go to the lynch pile instead of VE, perhaps. So, if he died, it was like, meh, besides, he was just "a goon." 2. The Mafia gambled and was very sure DP would shoot either a townie (DMB and I were the ones I remember he mentioned more, apparently I read somewhere he also mentioned VE?) because of how we had been acting the whole game—DP vs. Cake, Cake vs. DP. Point 2 also makes me believe that a Mafia participated in the last game I played and saw the DP vs. Cake that happened there. They are pulling the strings to make us fight, and it doesn't help that my personality and DPs don't get along. It could be his paranoia or my stubbornness; who knows, but I think the Mafia is exploiting this in the worldview that DP is town. Night 3 + Show Spoiler + - Jacob dies This is a bit tricky because I will be assuming things according to what I have seen in the relationship between DP and Jacob so far in this game and the other. DP has shown a soft side for his Aussie boys, TTT and Jacob, who, regardless of whether Jacob is right on his reads according to DP or not in an opinion, DP would take a deep breath and try to think about Jacob's point of view. In addition, Jacob's death does not add any new information to the thread except for confirming that he was the gunsmith and that the crazy theory that got planted of Jacob-DMB-DP does not exist. Most people were already assuming he was the gunsmith; tone-wise, Jacob sounded bubbly, adorable, free, and happy. His enthusiasm was pretty townie. Nevertheless, why Jacob and not DP? DP has a more strong presence. This is from my POV, but it is because the mafia more likely wants DP vs Cake and that we fuck up. Marv is an excellent player, and he was one of the people who said, "DP, Cake, please stop." Jacob also was, "Cake, DP is town," and yesterday he said, "I think Cake is town DP." Killing a confirmed blue role is not surprising. If they had killed DP, Jacob would have been confirmed. Killing Jacob doesn't confirm DP; that is why DP is alive if he is in town. If DP is town, the mafia wants the rest of the townies to have paranoia over DP. Let's say DP gets to lynch me; I flip town; who looks BAD? I would assume DP would get all fuck this shit, fuck you, cake, you played so scummy, fuck I need to rearrange my ideas. If he is town, I would believe he would get extremely frustrated and probably a bit - sad?, maybe - because I think he is like a big bear that is super deadly but also has this - soft - side. I mean, he is friends with Jacob, so I guess he is between TTT (who is super serious) and a little less bubbly and shiny than Jacob. In this scenario, DMB is cleared. I also noticed that people act like vultures around her to see if she does something scummy. So that leaves us with these reads from the top of my head. I want to filter dive them with scrutinity but who am I kidding? I might not be able to do it because - irl - + Show Spoiler + Vivax: I think action activity from the night he is almost clear, Jealous: This one is clouded because he makes me go with two emotions simultaneously. Bothers me a lot; he is like CAKE, HAVE YOU READ DPS GAME, CAKE WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS, like I wasn't lying the I am sad thing, etc. I don't want to post anymore. So I cant read a neutral read. I mean he called me out and make a joke of me and jat being stupid for saying vivax could be mafia and now he is trying to recreate the world in which vivax is mafia, say what? Meapak_Ziphh: I think he is town, this read is by tone and personality. Palmar: I have said enough. But after filtering Koshi with scrutinity I am like ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh justanothertownie: He... exists? Iamperfection: I think he is the most neutral one, trying to scum hunt, agressive in a nice way, there was this thing while reading Oats filter that he seemed also so obsessed with Iamperfection, idk if he was trying to pocket Iamp or what. Like the discussed, it wasnt all butterflies and agreements. Koshi: This one is weird too because I dont know how to take his actions from my close lynch and after that. I also feel like I am a doll here, like a "I told you so she was town you fucking idiots" when I flip town if DP gets me lynched. After that he would try to "drive" the town. Rels: The biggest problem I have with Rels is that he town reads me for the same reasons he scum reads me FROM THE SAME GAME; it should be one or the other. I also think, maybe? He tried to save me because my flip would give DP a new perspective of the game? Me being alive creates more chaos, I must admit. So in conclusion: Koshi/Rels/Someone If DP is town, Koshi fits the "let us make DP and Cake fight" besides there are these posts Koshi claims I am unreadable and then that he has read me once. If he cant read me how is he townreading me so hard atm? Here he tells me DP mafia, later he says DP is town. Just remember this. Here I was considering why Mafia didnt kill Slam, but Koshi threw the shade of - Slam might be not blue and lied - to protect Oats? Here he thinks DP is town (Remember when he told me DP could be mafia) and comments about me like yeah cake is townie but she can be traitor but at the same time, inmediatly considers Jacob not Gunsmith? If you read DP town, shouldnt Koshi consider Jacob lock town there? Here he also says OATS needs to die but later does everything to save him. He also uses a lot of emo posts to save OATS This is also TMI, like how can you be so sure DP is town? LOL Then we have these weird sequence But when I questioned Rayn´s death We also have Koshi calling me mafia many times Then He is also this dead person said this BUT these are also better lynches. "Only because Sandroba" Dude... Stop making DEAD PEOPLE THE REASON OF YOUR LYNCHES Here he says that Darth barely posts if I understood correctly but another posts he says that should be Policy that Darth shoul not post a lot? Stop having dead people do your reads wtf, COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS I also noticed with his filter he called MZ several times scummy and suddenly trusts him so hard lol but I am too lazy to go back and quote everything. He also spends a lot of Time calling Rels mafia and suddenly He also has stuff like this: Some fun fact by one of our scummy confirmed mafia: I was the first vote of the voting thread and it was Oats, second was Oats voting Slam, lol. Looks like that guy knew were to put his fangs because he was also being very creepy with DMB. Oats wanted to mayor Koshi Oats praised Koshi Ok I am tired so ##Vote: Koshi So why not.palmar in your world? | ||
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On March 14 2024 05:24 CopCake wrote: I think I have said it before, the way Oats weird votes on her, the way she is trying and questioning everything, the less drama “Plssssssss lynchhhh meeeee and not HolyFlare” to win towncred, the fact she was one of the people DP wanted to kill. I agree with the first parts not the last one but you said in this scenario as if dp being town means dmb is town. | ||
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On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote: Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake. I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either. Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response. You like it? | ||
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On March 14 2024 06:58 Palmar wrote: I've for some reason played extremely carefully this game and it's gotten me nowhere. I've sat on reads to try to placate people and be a good boy but I think i'm just kinda done with it. I think iamp is mafia OK stay on palmar | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:02 Vivax wrote: Palmar is another one of those ‚I think he may be lying every time he posts but does it make him mafia‘ types I‘m going to stay on Jealous I‘ve had it with iamp telling me to stay on cop yesterday then lynching Ve now he wants to lynch Palmar Vivax he comes back to the thread and says I'm mafia and doesn't even humor us with a reason. He is mafia | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:04 Vivax wrote: Maybe he just wants you to think that so we lose the game and he can call you awful. I suspect there‘s a bunch of those afloat. This game is corrupted Why do keep saying that. We have had martyrs before get over it. Palamr didn't bother to come back to thread with reason I'm mafia he even says in his own post he has been sitting back and doing nothing. He is mafia. | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:06 Palmar wrote: I kinda made the case earlier. The point is you've been obstinate to the point of strangeness at way too many times in this thread. Couple that with the feel of "just existing" thing I've talked about before. Tbf the most towny thing you've done this game is try to lynch me. Palamr how can you say I have been just existing in this game. I literally hammered ve I exposed the masons at the start and showed why rayn was town. I was the one that explained why tts was mafia when he came back. I lead the charge on trfel I literally post almost 24/7 wtf are you talking about. You have to be mafia | ||
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On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote: Maybe I'm just wrong. If you're town and I'm mafia it's very smart of me to pick this fight now. But maybe I'm just right. Lol | ||
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I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote: You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. | ||
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On March 14 2024 11:40 Rels wrote: Pretty townie post, going for Koshi when she had her targets on Palmar/me previously, and that would be the easy thing to push. Most of the logic doesn't make sense of course Why is DMB cleared? look like 20 min later its immediately dropped. | ||
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On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote: A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. ebwop i meant to say its like jat knew both me and koshi were town up there when i talk about that | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:27 DarthPunk wrote: Perfection do you think cake and palmar can be partnered? I dont think its impossible. Cop is more just confounding. I dont understand the way they think at all. I think cop is more likely to be town the palmar though. | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote: What is the team then? Palmar- Jat -Dmb like koshi said? with palmar bussing Jat since the start of the game and Jat also bussing Palmar and then hard town reading him? I dont think dmb Palmar jat then maybe jealous/rels/meapak? | ||
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On March 14 2024 12:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Perfection on my read through last night I recall you were on board with Jacob's theory that Palmar/Rels were turbo busing, watching Rels suddenly drop his "palmar wouldn't dumbtell" bit and go hard after him these last few pages, do you think that's still a possibility? I'm ngl it's thrown me for a bit of a loop, I opened Rel's filter for a bit and then realized I didn't feel like doing that much reading tonight so I'm curious of your thoughts. palmar rels? i had palmar koshi cop at night. i think koshi is probably town now. | ||
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On March 14 2024 13:05 DarthPunk wrote: Palmar Jat doesn't really make sense right now does it? He is pushing for Jat here. You think a Bus? i would think if the mafia lose roleblocker its game over. So i dont think bussing is out of question for any mafia. Now would mafia palmar come into the thread and use his weight to go after a scum buddy? maybe not i would think. | ||
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On March 14 2024 13:24 CopCake wrote: Look for it on my filter. Honestly for fucks sake you call me mafia, agree with rels that I have TMI and etc and you do not read my posts? I am - DONE - I need an adult! A competent adult ehhhhhhhh | ||
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i mean what would be the scenarios town jat just never bothers because he thinks im town and probably dont need a town read from him anyways. certianly possible i think. Scum Jat just responding to a lot of my posts saying good point yes to feign activity and not giving a read because he isnt trying to figure out the game. Possible i would think. Deliberate play yo dont make a read on iamp so we can use it as a point to bring up seems farfetched to me. | ||
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I just think in at least my experience mafia teams don't operate for just individual players it almost always a consensus or everyone just listens to the best player. would a mafia team listen to cop you think? I guess their could be personal reasons she may have shrieked about in the mafia chat to do it? But i dont think rayn is strange kill at all. I thought he was obvious he was town and a strong player so why not just kill him? | ||
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On March 14 2024 14:04 DarthPunk wrote: Did you read her qt last scum game she had a lot of influence and decided to kill Rayn. I Think you have a fair point but I also think koshi does. i didnt obs that one so i dont have that discord. i think | ||
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On March 14 2024 19:48 Palmar wrote: What MZ says is not important. The entire point is this is what Rels reads out of the case: Essentially Rels understands this to be an associative case, ie: hinging on us being mafia TOGETHER. His claims that if either of us flip (town), the case goes out the window. So in a town!Rels world, the only outcome of the case where it has any merit is if I flip mafia, which would implicate him. But why would town!Rels just accept that outcome Additionally, town!Rels should know he's town and he thinks I'm scum!Palmar, so why is he okay with an association where the case concludes we're scum!Rels and scum!Palmar or town!Rels and town!Palmar. Either he should be attacking the idea that our alignments are linked in any way, or he should be changing his stance on me. i like this point | ||
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On March 14 2024 22:05 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I dont care enough. i dont understand what your getting so worked up about. | ||
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On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote: Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? thats when i say excuse me right. | ||
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On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote: Only to then return when it got close? isnt it more he made it close. Left. Then came back at end when it wasnt close? | ||
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On March 14 2024 22:56 justanothertownie wrote: He made it 9:7 when he voted me again. this is correct. Then two town members come in unvote and vote trfel in sandro and jacob | ||
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On March 08 2024 12:31 Rels wrote: AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum Palmar what do you think of this post. | ||
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On March 14 2024 23:37 Koshi wrote: I saw something fun but it completely fucks with my scumteam. you can share i give permission. | ||
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On March 14 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote: There's a case to be made that the mafia is all the people who have not yet gone insane i was town before the game started then. | ||
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On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote: Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous ^ There's my proof that I'm town. well see now it dosnt count. | ||
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On March 15 2024 02:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Koshi I'm curious what you've thought about DMB this cycle. Still waiting to hear from iamp and his thoughts on Rels. I feel like we're getting pretty close right now. I just dont think i was being tricked by scum with regards to the ve hammer. Maybe thats just me not wanting to entertain that possibility but thats why i said what i said before the flip. I did not think it was a mafia rels coming into the thread. Looking at his filter there are some posts and word choices that bug me but thats probably true for everyone. That interaction we had just makes me think town. | ||
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On March 15 2024 02:36 CopCake wrote: Why couldnt it be just "Bad town" and followed him to save me? I mean, you consider me scum, but not as scum as palmar, but we can be scum together? i dont think your scum anymore. | ||
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On March 15 2024 02:43 CopCake wrote: You say this but yes, there is a problem. I am a wild card. If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one. If I die, who is the mafia? I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG. VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game Are these good reasons to lynch? This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game. That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake. Who knows, people might get a surprise. i have no idea what your saying | ||
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On March 15 2024 02:52 CopCake wrote: I am saying that people have been reading and want to lynch people for reasons like this: VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game cake why would people saying that make them mafia. i just dont understand. | ||
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On March 15 2024 02:56 Vivax wrote: Top town post from MZ. Mafia would sure enjoy copcake going off the rails. JAT still not voting Jealous. am i wifoming myself for palmar you think. I think Jealous is scum i didnt like that temper tantrum. | ||
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On March 15 2024 02:59 Vivax wrote: Waiting on DPs take mostly. Unless we hit roleblocker in Jealous this is our last day with him. Yeah i dont think dp will be down for palmar. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:51 Palmar wrote: Why? Like I am quite possibly going to die here tonight. Seems doing a massive filter read is a waste of time... it will help me to determine if your town or not then you wont die if your town. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: I'm not mafia, does this help? If I'm mafia I'm just gonna read your filter, find a few smart posts, which you've definitely made, call you possibly town for it because it jives. Maybe dig up a marv or sandro endorsement or something, follow up with a DP endorsement and say that while I can't be sure I think iamp probably looks town. Still hate the fact that you don't know what a policy lynch is as a good joke in the end to keep it light. So let's just pretend I did that. But i have felt thats what you have been doing lol the second paragraph. I feel like you have been sideways calling me mafia with no real good reason. I feel like you really haven't read my entire filter. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:57 DarthPunk wrote: The problem with cake is that she is so insanely hard to lynch that it might just end up getting palmar lynched trying to go for her. Even though I think she is the best shot at mafia flipping this phase. It would have the bonus of not having to read their posts anymore. | ||
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On March 15 2024 06:58 CopCake wrote: Walk me in this Have I actually me tunneled on DP? I mean I try - from my perspective - go to other directions and he comes like and repeats I am mafia. There are several attemps of me trying to work with him but I get ignored. Notice how he just woke up? And said lynch cake when he doesnt even cared to check my reads - bad or not - about iamp. It is difficult to play this game. My scenario of iamp/DP/palmar works perfectly Jacob gives him a gun Kill TTS to win town cred Similar to what Oats and Iamp were doing while trying to lynch TTS the second day to save Oats cake im clearly town. Dp i believe is clearly town too. You just martyring again when dp calls you mafia makes no sense. Like why does one person calling you mafia send you crazy. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:03 Palmar wrote: Here's the thing. I am absolutely in the "CC almost can't be mafia because these antics are just so ridiculous" camp. Is the case against her just "let's kill her because I'm going to believe she is better than this?" The martyrdom makes no sense though. Like why so obsessed with DP. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:07 CopCake wrote: It is not martyring, I am fed up. If I am not lynched I am gonna ask for replacement. okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote: I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road 1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game 2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch 3) Koshi made a towncase on her 4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king I figured I'd have more so 4 will do. I mean they just asked for replacement though. Dick move analysis right? | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:10 Palmar wrote: See this is the shit that makes me want to not lynch her. I can't believe anyone would have enough lack of integrity to do this as mafia. thats what im saying | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:14 iamperfection wrote: you really be able to talk about replacing out at all in the thread imo. As either alignment. In my games you weren't even allowed to ask questions in the thread. shouldnt ebwop | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:19 DarthPunk wrote: I think rels Then what was rels doing with me on the ve hammer. assuming cc as town. | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:29 justanothertownie wrote: Isn't he NA timezone now? That irritated me before. Since I remember him being EU timezone. france | ||
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On March 15 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, he was. But now he isn't I thought? oh | ||
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On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote: As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote: I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I think i brought this up earlier but i thought this was odd. Back to back posts. Saying that cop hurt posting felt genuine then voting immediately | ||
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On March 15 2024 08:15 Jealous wrote: I even pointed out that this is hypocritical. It did feel genuine to me, but even scum being called out for their dumb takes can get butthurt about it. It was enough to make the needle move slightly for me but it doesn't outweigh everything else she's said/done throughout the game. Still, it can be an act, and if it is, it's a really good one, which is my point in this context. Core of the post though was that I don't see any world where the CC/Jealous team makes sense unless we're both actors of that level. have you seen the dick move analysis? | ||
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On March 15 2024 09:10 DarthPunk wrote: You think she would go down this road with replacements as mafia? I really want to lynch mafia today. i mean if we think the whole thing is an act then its possible and she crossed the line i guess. | ||
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On March 15 2024 09:12 die_meatbaby wrote: She wrote I want to get lynched. Pls, do it. This game is like meh and no fun, nothing enjoybale, nothing friendly If that is a just tyring to make me think of her as Town with emotinal breakdown, then it´s function very good. I could understand that she feels like this. I mean she has to defend herself since the begining and doesn´t even get lynched I would just hope to get lynched as well in her situation... has she posted in the discord after posting here? | ||
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On March 15 2024 09:15 die_meatbaby wrote: And when she is actually mafia with palmar. I would totally understand it. I mean playing with this dickhead would frustrate me as well and then fighting the hole time with dp in the thread. Both would take fun and energy away wat ? | ||
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On March 15 2024 09:18 Vivax wrote: She's had it with Palmar since he D1 lynched me. But I think she's being sincere. i dont understand | ||
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On March 15 2024 09:25 die_meatbaby wrote: No that was actually good. I tried to push the vivax wagon and just before the lynch I pretended that we only now realise that vivax is town because there were too few people online to change then lynch then i dont understand what you originally said | ||
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On March 15 2024 09:44 Jealous wrote: Wanted to take a smoke break which happened to align with about 100 posts of almost nothing from Palmar, so I thought it was a nice touch wouldnt you think a 100 posts of nothing to be more from mafia? Why say that when you just reached no conclusion after a filter dive? | ||
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On March 15 2024 10:00 DarthPunk wrote: I will lynch jealous to save palmar though. you think that strongly that palmar is town? | ||
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On March 15 2024 10:12 DarthPunk wrote: This will be an amazing play if she is mafia cant unvote now if mafia either. | ||
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On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote: Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling: - Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them - JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar - Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Jealous or cop then ? | ||
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On March 15 2024 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote: @iap thougths on Rels? ive talked about him | ||
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On March 15 2024 10:49 Jealous wrote: Gotta prepare you for the future where you will have to defend both this flip and the VE wagon. GLHF. ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | ||
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On March 15 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote: ^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO. ehhhhh? | ||
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On March 15 2024 11:18 Vivax wrote: I don‘t think Rels is mafia though. We have another lynch right ? 6-3 tomorrow right ? | ||
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On March 15 2024 13:35 Vivax wrote: 6 v 3 tomorrow If there‘s traitor 5 v 4 lylo fun it dosnt work that way | ||
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On March 15 2024 13:38 Vivax wrote: I hope it doesn‘t. Jealous is auto might as well just shitpost tomorrow what do you mean hope go find out if you dont believe me | ||
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On March 15 2024 13:46 Vivax wrote: If scum vig + traitor we already lost ? Who knows ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On March 15 2024 13:46 Vivax wrote: If scum vig + traitor we already lost ? Who knows there is only 5 mafia traitor or not | ||
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On March 15 2024 17:38 justanothertownie wrote: What positive things are there to say here? Our confirmed towns lynched someone they agreed was most likely town. At least people are forced to talk about someone else than CC now for a change. But that was unnecessary. And dmb just went with it in the most opportunistic way possible. Didn't like this post btw. | ||
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DP If he is mafia he has been playing more for town then he has for mafia. You literally cant hit all on the filter page anymore. So we have the shot on TTS obviously a pro town move. For mafia DP he may have felt obligated to shoot TTS after announcing that he had the gun in thread which to me the giddiness to announce that he has a gun would more likely to come from town i would think. Mafia DP could have done what would have been the proper play to shut up and then announce the shot like a normal vig would have and made some justification to shoot someone else. If the mafia team just wanted to bus TTS and waste a day on him they could have in this scenario and got the cred on multiple people instead of just DP. He also held the line on Oats several players were confounded by oats play including marv at points and myself obviously so easily could have trumped up some. Now his engagement to cake could come across as scummy i had at times had thoughts of just saying i wasnt going to read cakes posts which in hindsight might have been the correct play as i was confounded by the constant changing of reads and dropping reads on basically a dime. The proper play may have been for DP to just say no more at some point but i think he had the same doubts as me. Add to that the constant engagement and care for the lynch i think the simplest explanation is that he is just town and if he is mafia we tip our hat and say gg go next and never talk about this game again. If he doesn't die tonight though make sure to request those injury pics for the lols though. Vivax So i wanted to go back and see again exactly how and when his claim happened and it actually came a bit later then when i thought it did. Vivax's claim comes about an hour after i ask the whisperers to claim and rayn responded extremely quickly and we ascertain that he is extremely likely to be town. Now could a scum vivax have seen this mini town circle starting to form and want to disrupt it. I guess its somewhat possible but i dont think its likely as there would be several problems with it. What if someone in me marv rayn and sandro turned out to be the JK he would have traded himself and just make that town circle all the more powerful. On top of that what if the JK was anyone else he still is just needlessly trading himself and leaving his team in a worse situation. Using setup speculation we had a cop that was up against a framer and possible millers or godfathers. A jat. a gunsmith which is just a shitty vig. I think adding a JK to that is pretty reasonable from what i understand gracks thoughts on balance. Similarly with DP he has been extremely active and engaged. If he is mafia what a play and we lynch all claimers day 1 and cite this game until the end of time. The simplest explanation is that he is town. | ||
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On March 16 2024 02:20 Jealous wrote: Should have been CopCake wagon like point 2, I'm hung over and I fucked up. oh boy | ||
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On March 16 2024 02:21 Jealous wrote: Iamp confirmed town for me for trying to find the most charitable interpretation of my fuck up. what im saying the same thing as vivax | ||
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On March 16 2024 08:53 die_meatbaby wrote: Why should this be good for a scum DMB? I remember sombody was writing that if CC is Town then dmb has to be mafia or either way. I am not sure who wrote that but i think it was palmar. So why should I scumDMB risk such a thing? The only thing I am seeing here is that people goeing mad again on people with a bad Towngame. Is this the plan because until now it didn´t help us. Lynch Ve because of Bad Town game (and he is known for that) CC playing strange means also bad Towngame and me same as well. Just voting bad Town after bad Town is not what will help us in any fucking way. Did you filter C? Did you read her last scumreads? What about DP. How sure are we that he is really Town. I mean gunsmith can give the gun to mafia as well and shooting the inactiv mafia to get a hell of a Townread would be insane mafia move but not impossibole for DP. When DP is mafia he plays insane so why not? Rels is the Endbos of TMI and it seems like nobody fucking cares about that and that pisses me off as hell Another scumread of CC was Koshi. Did anybody from you maybe reread Koshi? What do we think about that? Is her read good or bad? feel like your more guilt tripping then anything with this post. | ||
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On March 16 2024 11:09 DarthPunk wrote: Clearly my reads are completely wrong, or I am being fucked with, either way this is amazing and woeful at the same time. why do you say that ? | ||
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On March 16 2024 11:24 Jealous wrote: See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right? well if someone has good reads but you feel like you can argue yourself out of it if they are in the game you can certianly decide not to kill them. Having good reads is half the battle. | ||
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On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count Oatsmaster (9): VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, Palmar (0): Jealous (0): Justanothertownie (0): ToTheStars (0): marvellosity (0): die_meatbaby (0): VisceraEyes (0): CopCake (0): Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in There just has to be mafia on the VE wagon. It just has to be palmar. | ||
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On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote: Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek Palmar barley mentions Meapak in his entire filter. This is the only real concrete read and they were masoned with each other. | ||
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On March 16 2024 11:40 Rels wrote: well, going to sleep. See you all tomorrow you can almost sense the smugness from the smile. | ||
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On March 16 2024 11:51 DarthPunk wrote: Thats interesting. Leaving open for a potential wagon? or partnered? not sure. I think it says more about palmar though. | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I mean he also says this just prior: The only solid thing he told me in our chat is that his vote was for the lulz but maybe he just doesn't want to justify changing his mind and going with his gut? Maybe meapak cant be with palmar with this post. | ||
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On March 16 2024 13:14 DarthPunk wrote: It is what it is, my perspective on the game is really shook up right now. day 2 vote count | ||
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On March 09 2024 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I actually am pretty set on copcake being scum at the moment, her votes are just horrible for a townie. It begs the question why doesn't she want to be on Oats. I think of those three Palmar is least likely to be scum. Then about 30 min later you vote for VE. | ||
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On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote: This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count Oatsmaster (9): VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, Palmar (0): Jealous (0): Justanothertownie (0): ToTheStars (0): marvellosity (0): die_meatbaby (0): VisceraEyes (0): CopCake (0): Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. | ||
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On March 16 2024 12:11 iamperfection wrote: Maybe meapak cant be with palmar with this post. i forget about this though. that post possible for both scum? | ||
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On March 17 2024 01:01 Jealous wrote: Could you clarify who the 4 scum on Oats would be in this context? Want to make sure because between the post and the linked post, there are a lot of names. Im basically saying there has to be scum on the ve wagon besides oats. | ||
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On March 17 2024 01:13 Vivax wrote: I mean I don‘t think its the case for it to be a specific amount. Maybe 1, maybe 2 you think mafia killed oats when they could have lynched ve ? | ||
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On March 17 2024 01:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is the conclusion I was leaning towards last night, that coupled with his previous "joke posts" about voting himself to be confirmed town It's just a little on the nose that he's directly referenced some of the stupid plays people have been making and then proceeds to seemingly dumbtell. can you sum up your and palmars discord and say how many posts in total. | ||
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On March 17 2024 01:56 Vivax wrote: Rels voting Palmar might as well be the mafia attempt at a CW to Jealous. He even joked about it being right because he had such good reads before. so what rels palmar jealous? palmar is a goon. Rels and jealous use bus to try and win game? | ||
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On March 17 2024 02:02 Vivax wrote: Jealous Rels + 1 of Palmar or DP It‘s apparently still too early for you to consider DP. i dont want to live in a dp mafia world. | ||
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On February 22 2024 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: Setup In addition to the usual roles, I will be adding mason chats into this game. At the start of each day I will randomize 2 players to become the whisperers for the cycle. They will be informed of this via PM. These players may (or may choose not to) PM me the name of one player to obtain a Discord chat with them for the rest of the day/night cycle. You may paraphrase discussions that occur, but you may not copy paste the log into the thread. Once the players reduce to 13 or less there will only be 1 whisperer. | ||
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On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote: I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous. It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. | ||
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On March 17 2024 05:36 Jealous wrote: Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO. if your asking me why i voted ve its because i thought oats was town and ve was scum. I was genuinely impressed with his play after the check. I was confused by all that happened with slam "claiming" for no reason and it apparently being true and mafia just not dealing with it in that case and combine that with Oats going tryhard. Plus i always liked oats we used to play dota years ago so i was blinded by that too. | ||
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DMB chimed in with a lol and nothing else. This is a critical cycle we need input. | ||
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On March 17 2024 06:32 Palmar wrote: I don’t see the point in mason chats. Go read last game or even a little exchange I had with Marv this game for confirmation well according to the log you basically looked for blues and said you were voting for the lolz | ||
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On March 17 2024 06:38 Jealous wrote: Eh, at least one of your posts would beg to differ. Please see this post I made recently: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=467#9327 Could you explain the apparent inconsistency here? Where is the inconsistency or am i an idiot? | ||
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On March 17 2024 06:48 Vivax wrote: The hard part is getting iamperfection to vote Jealous he just sees big post and goes into awe and stupor it had links vivax linksSSSSSSSSSS | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:10 Palmar wrote: No this just means you haven’t read my filter. My current lynch pool is you, jealous, real and dmb. That’s like 4 out of 9 you have eliminated me? | ||
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On March 17 2024 07:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are you talking about Palmar or Jealous? If for some reason Palmar is not a viable lynch at the end of the day I will 100% be voting Jealous, I just think Palmar is much more likely to be scum and also gives us more information on Jealous/Jat/maybe Rels. A scum Palmar will reinforce my sheeping of Koshi's reads and I'll be looking back at JAT as well as Jealous. Why do you keep saying that. Koshi seemed to finish on you and jealous really from what i see. | ||
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On March 17 2024 08:18 Vivax wrote: He's repeatedly brought up people just for being wrong on someone. See Koshi in the night. We can't let a guy win cause he uses scripts to generate post links and iamp believes it's by hand. chill i got you bro let me cook | ||
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On March 17 2024 09:00 Vivax wrote: DMB don't let me down. PLEASE vote this guy with me. I'll steal the flowers from the terrace if you do. i got you fam. | ||
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On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote: Okay, that's a step too far. My life for Aiur. well now its decided for sure | ||
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On March 17 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote: We can‘t use it unless we want him to go to war with the host If we don't lynch scum today and he's still alive we policy him for posting too much. | ||
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On March 17 2024 12:22 DarthPunk wrote: I'm putting in work right now. I will be around for the next 8 hours at least. Well it's my bed time. Around for deadline? I have a dinner but will phone post. | ||
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What is your current thinking of for the mafia team? | ||
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On March 17 2024 17:01 DarthPunk wrote: But I think DMB/mz could be in there purely if analyzing from a palmar!mafia perspective. there was some weird takes from him about both of them. He mentions dmb in the post day one where he cases Oats, and basically says: here is weird stuff about DMB, but I have no conclusion to draw, just weird. That struck me as odd, MZ I think is more likely ML candidate then partnered but there is, again, weirdness in the way they interact with each other. Regardless, I want to see a palmer flip first and then sort the rest. I think Jealous is a good lynch but I think palmar is the best lynch today. So you think it's possible mz with a mafia palmar partner came into the thread and voted ve then revealed that he was voting for the lulz in a mason chat? He revealed that at the time it happened too. I don't think that is likely the more I think about it. | ||
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Vivax what do you think. Jealous first right? | ||
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On March 17 2024 20:34 Palmar wrote: Cant help but notice that this is a greedy post. If I’m wrong and jealous is town this is just setting up mafia victory. So dp is just wrong you think? | ||
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We just have to figure out if DP is mafia too. | ||
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On March 17 2024 23:06 Vivax wrote: DP can only be town if he‘s a dick here because he is betraying me after I gave him the copcake vote. so my thinking is that if dp is mafia jealous is the rb and they bus palmar here but i dont understand how they would win in that case. That's the possible scenario i had. | ||
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On March 17 2024 23:09 DarthPunk wrote: You guys are out of your damn minds lol. need to cover all bases here | ||
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On March 17 2024 23:22 Vivax wrote: Why not it makes us think we get another lynch you dont hold your shot what if your like oats and get cop checked bye bye shot. | ||
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Vivax paranoia posting just has to be town. I think MZ has to be town too. On March 18 2024 01:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Because there will be no Palmar and I'll vote with you? I know you think Jealous has somehow scumclaimed, in my eyes Palmar has done so even worse by his flat-out refusal to even try at this point. I give Palmar 90% chance of scum, I still give Jealous only like a 70% chance of being scum since he's been at least putting in effort. Granted I know oats did too, but it's better than Palmar essentially laughing in our faces while we try to lynch him. This is similar to my thinking and i like that he called out DMB the way that he did. I dont know want to think of DMB going off on DP but i cant wrap my head around it being scum motivated unless they are scum together which i would have to think on more. I think if Palmar and Jealous are both mafia then DP would have to be town as i dont think there would be a path to victory for a scum DP in that scenario. | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:06 Jealous wrote: I think Palmar + DMB could be a thing. I get lynched, DMB has their hands clean because they didn't help ML a townie while effectively saving Palmar with a non-vote. Can't work out if that makes Vivax impossible as the 3rd or if it's still possible. Don't think it can be DP because DMB has been constantly reminding us that he could be scum who shot TTS for town cred. how about jealous palmar dmb could that work ? Could also explain why DP wasnt killed. | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:15 Palmar wrote: Also iamp complaining about me not doing mafia the way he wants mafia done is hilarious When I’m not certain I do this ordered list thing I’m doing. k | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:32 DarthPunk wrote: Perfection are you holding the line on jealous or are you going to lynch palmar with me? Do you think jealous is town? | ||
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On March 18 2024 06:44 DarthPunk wrote: He is in my Poe. Nothing he has done has pinged me in the way that palmar did when I really dug into his filter, but that could be a mafia tell on its own. I’m not against a jealous lynch. I just think palmar is more likely to flip mafia at this point, I have a strong case against palmar which I happen to think is the best case posted this game. Turning it around the other way, why do you think jealous is more likely or as likely to flip mafia as palmar? I've said palmar almost has to be mafia. He didn't even consider you as a possibility despite you spinning on your read late game in what i think is a crucial point. and i know blah blah iamp you said something similar in the night with dp having to be town but there is a diffrence when you know your actually in the situation with it happening with you being alive. I dont see the panic i dont see the scum hunting. He also said town considering this SVS is hilarious is, which im sure hell argue against, is a scum slip. From my pov it is. I just dont want vivax to have a mental breakdown. | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:00 justanothertownie wrote: I'll just rehash. Your case is good. But I don't think it works for palmar specifically. He is playing differently to last game. That is definitely true. But he tends to play different town games. It would be more convincing if you would find similarities to a mafia game. can you comment on the points i have made about him ? | ||
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On March 18 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote: Is iamperfection around? Guy also reminds me of two players from other sites what | ||
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On March 18 2024 09:25 die_meatbaby wrote: And how can you guys all believe that DP is Town after all this shit what happend? and did you not read early today? clearly both me and vivax are entertaining the thought as a possibility. | ||
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On March 18 2024 09:38 die_meatbaby wrote: No but when I do not use my vote on one of the wagons I am getting a zepplin full of shit from townies. So I had to choose one of the Wagons. Trfel had the best reads about mafia in the last game. So either he had luck or he is actually very good and usefull as Town. Lynch the other wagon or waste my vote. So no I didn´t have a real scum read on Jat but either way I should not waste vote. So what was I suposed to do?! don´t tell me to relax. Buy my flowers, bake some cookies or eat some tiramisu out of my pussy, maybe then I will relax. lol | ||
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On March 18 2024 09:39 die_meatbaby wrote: after lynch, only if you are right with J hey don't make me get my rulebook | ||
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On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote: I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket. Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game. Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. | ||
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On February 22 2024 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: Clues: The role PMs and day/night posts are purely flavor text. There are no clues. but of course | ||
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On March 18 2024 10:20 Rels wrote: Say the person that literally has the power to save him right there right now Why do you townread Palmar again? because she believes dp is scum. | ||
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On March 18 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote: do you get nervous now while i am voting on you? nobody is voting with me. So sadly you are still alive until the next lynch. read the thread! you got 1 | ||
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On March 18 2024 11:12 Jealous wrote: So in your world I am scum because I took my vote off of the leading counterwagon and didn't put it back at any point even as Vivax voted for me? i dont know | ||
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On March 18 2024 11:13 DarthPunk wrote: Maybe vivax is mafia and we just lost day one to the claim. That would be next level play, really. i hope so. Then at least i can blame everyone else. | ||
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On March 18 2024 07:57 Palmar wrote: My list stands: from towny to scummy Palmar DP Vivax iamp jat Rels MZ Jealous DMB Yes I think DMB may be the scummiest person here. I am almost certainly giving a shitty townread to a mafia somewhere in there. Despite the concerns regarding iamp it also may just be jat, or even one of the mechanically "confirmed" players. Sadly that probably won't be my job to deal with. On March 18 2024 08:17 Palmar wrote: I'm like 100% certain DP is town because I genuinely believe he's agonizing over this lol night | ||
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On March 18 2024 18:46 justanothertownie wrote: Should have listened to me about palmar. But what's done is done. Instinct says I was right about jealous + dmb. They could even be with dp for ultimate drama. I think dp would have told her to bus him now and this attack/push came very late and was never realistic. Maybe that's more realistic if jealous is town though. Not sure. Game is really hard now because basically everyone else voted palmar. Mafia could also be in MZ/Rels at this point. I am really interested who they nightkill now. Is it possible he had a chance to get lynched. Thinking about it more. | ||
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On March 19 2024 02:02 Vivax wrote: I don‘t scumread DP anymore. I prefer the evil town hypothesis town killing itself? maybe | ||
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On March 19 2024 02:05 Vivax wrote: He‘s in cahoots with jealous Rels to make it to lylo maybe. I know he just wants me to to guess wrong either way, it‘s his obsession i think your being ridiculous | ||
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On March 19 2024 02:09 Vivax wrote: But Palmar townread him. I‘m at Rels/Jealous + ? dmb ? | ||
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On March 19 2024 11:16 Jealous wrote: What has DMB actually done in this game that wasn't just CopCake 2.0? To be fair, getting my old games and finding one that matched yesterday's pressure took work. Played me and my position like a fiddle so that both me and wild!Vivax both voted DP with her (at least temporarily). Then immediately called both me and DP scum right after the flip, knowing that I'm the most likely follow-up wagon to a Palmar lynch anyway. Let's not repeat the VE incident. We were right to policy lynch dumbtells/bad play. We were just wrong about which one. In your heart of hearts you know it to be true. ??? this is a terrible point though | ||
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On March 19 2024 11:22 Jealous wrote: People get the QT links after they are lynched or NK'd, right? So he already knows he was wrong. I can just imagine the shit he is saying to justify himself there right now. It's a shame we won't get to see it in real time. what do you mean he just gets the obs. | ||
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On March 19 2024 11:30 Jealous wrote: Ah damn Guess they don't know alignments there, then. Been so long since I've been in one that I've forgotten. Oh well. I know the crippling uncertanlinty I would feel would never hit him at this point. So he will probably just make himself look like more of a fool there in the long run. Looking forward to catching up on that. Acceptable alternative. masterful scum play here btw if you are. As the old saying goes speak ill of the dead. | ||
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On March 19 2024 11:55 DarthPunk wrote: Unless you have an explanation for that? well obviously the other explanation would be we are wrong and she is town. Could we be ignoring a possible team of something in Jealous, mz, rels, jat? assuming your not scum with your fucking 82 page filter. | ||
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On March 19 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote: how does yesterday make sense as town!dmb? just going all over the place for no reason? im just talking about the voting that is though. and assuming jealous and dmb aren't scum together. | ||
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On March 19 2024 23:00 justanothertownie wrote: It really does not make any sense. Her reason was that she did not want to vote for a dp wagon. Yet she is sure now that jealous is with dp. In that case the only logical thing would be to move to jealous to save her townread palmar. Well that assumes she was playing logically and not emotionally. | ||
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On March 19 2024 23:00 justanothertownie wrote: Today however she immediately votes jealous. I just don't buy it at all. Yeah you would think go dp | ||
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On March 20 2024 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: That's why I asked Rels the questions I did earlier, but I can't be the only one not voting otherwise it opens the path to shenanigans so I voted. Still got more then 24 hours if someone wants to make a better argument. | ||
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On March 20 2024 03:32 Jealous wrote: If you stayed on me for both days, I would have been lynched I am pretty sure lol ? Are you forgetting something? | ||
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If your supposedly town why would my hopping around matter and be scum motivated. | ||
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On March 20 2024 04:20 Jealous wrote: Mafia trying to make me look scummy, "oh look iamp is saving Jealous, we should lynch Jealous next" thus a ML thus town loses. So in your world scum iamp goes out of his way to save you just to setup a ML after 2 cycles. Maybe you should actually read my filter and attempt to make a case on me then and address all the points I made to palmar that he didnt read. In my world scum don't really think like that and are fine with lynches that aren't them or their teammates for the most part. In Mylo like now bussing becomes more common as it's time to try and win. | ||
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On March 20 2024 04:39 die_meatbaby wrote: ##Unvote J ##Vote DP The game is over anyway. Mafia is bussing the last weak town. The rest of Town doesn´t see that DP and Rels are scum togther. Maybe I was wrong with j maybe not. I am stil sure its either Dp/Rels/J or DP/Rels/JAT Whatever, I don´t want to discuss here anymore how this scum just kills strong town in the night and mafia make wagons on weak Town as they did already on VE, CC and now of course me. I am happy that I found out who is the main scum and thats what matter for me. I can not change the lynch and I don´t want to invest more energy in this game anymore We would have to make 3 correct lynchs, but that will not happen anyway. I can not get trough this with this kind of Townplayers who are left.And I dare you do never call me bad Town in the next game again if I was the first one realising that Rels/DP are scum togther and no one accept vivax believed me. Never ever are you guys allowed to call me fucking bad Town in any future game because I did not play any bad in this game, just this Townplayers are all so fucking noobs that I can´t believe that this is actually real. This lynchs seems more like the Putin election 2024 Please tick the box of your choice [ ]Wladimir Putin [ ] Putin Wladmir [x] I want to go to prison or/and die Lynch votes in this game Pls Vote: [ ] Town [ ] Town [x] scum but no body will vote and you get lynced next K | ||
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On March 20 2024 04:49 die_meatbaby wrote: but i was insane good for finding out DP and Rels are scum Having good reads is only half the battle. That's is even if your read is right. | ||
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On March 20 2024 04:50 Jealous wrote: "I didn´t vote on you because I am sure that dp is trying to push two Town wagons up for lynch" Then why did you call me scum right after the Palmar flip? Answer this. | ||
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On March 20 2024 04:55 die_meatbaby wrote: behavier. but could also be JAT after looking at the votes back on oats Behavior? | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote: Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day?[/QUOTE] because of his voting switch [QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:00 die_meatbaby wrote: [QUOTE] There was no logical reason that he swapped his vote on Dp with me. Thinking of his situation it would be better to stick on Palmar and save himself... But it would make more sense to have the vote on dp so that not all 3 scum a voting the same person.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] I don't understand so he's scum because he didn't risk self preservation. | ||
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On March 20 2024 05:12 iamperfection wrote: I don't understand so he's scum because he didn't risk self preservation. | ||
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On March 20 2024 05:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Just about to ask this myself, kinda feels like she's opportunistically trying to vote whoever she thinks others will follow her on. Vivax had jealous lined up last night, maybe she thought more would bite, I was certainly leaning that way initially. And now the DP vote since that got traction yesterday. Won't be surprised if she tries Rels later. The trick is going to be figuring out if she's bussing or just trying to throw us off her teammates for tomorrow. I still think Jealous is a reasonable teammate for her to have, one of the only ways yesterday makes sense. Eh I don't think dmb would think that for either alignment. | ||
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On March 20 2024 05:17 die_meatbaby wrote: Giving up is against your win condition whatever you are so stop it. There is more then 24 hours still. Also vivax flip flopped like 8 different times on his reads during the night so you can't say he was the only one that saw it. | ||
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On March 20 2024 05:22 die_meatbaby wrote: 'm pretty sure that vivax would be one of the first to find out that I'm mafia if I were. He would have to die pretty quickly for me to stay safe. Would not push him to get major He was literally wrong in the last game in the obs and called me an idiot for saying you were. | ||
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On March 19 2024 09:25 Vivax wrote: I think she‘d be less antagonistic as mafia, and probably wouldn‘t blatantly disregard my strong wish to eliminate jealous, especially if theyre scum together. I believe she really believew you are mafia, and that Rels is mafia. And if it‘s true I‘m kinda astonished she arrived to that so quickly. We‘re obviously able to gauge emotional reactions off each other which makes it hard to not end up biased. Finding a post funny, getting worked up etc., but we avoid talking about game related stuff outside of the thread and we don’t bring it into it and I do my best to enforce it. I didn‘t expect her to be mafia in that game that ended up compromised but it was short-lived. Think she‘s able to hide it from me otherwise. Thought I‘d mention that too because I believe that‘s what you wanted to know by asking this. | ||
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On March 15 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote: ^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO. And do you think he may have slipped here too? | ||
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On March 20 2024 05:48 justanothertownie wrote: How is this one a slip? To your other point - I also found that a bit weird. I would only breathe a sigh of relief if I'm town. Therefore he knows I'm town. | ||
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On March 20 2024 06:27 die_meatbaby wrote: German is the better language to speak if I am mad. sorry for that. Already wrote it in english. I just can not fucking believe how I am scum for this voting shit show. the elections here are corrupt Is this an american thing? But you switched between sentences | ||
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On March 20 2024 06:42 justanothertownie wrote: Don't worry about it. I don't care which language you use to defend yourself. I care because it's against the rules and I'm a stickler for the rules. | ||
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On March 20 2024 06:48 die_meatbaby wrote: I translated it in english in the same minute. I'm joking | ||
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On March 20 2024 07:26 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah. Need dmb to do it. | ||
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On March 20 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote: Well, of course. If he does not do it in the end we have no choice but to kill her. Fine let's go for now | ||
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On March 20 2024 07:31 justanothertownie wrote: Done. Would really like some input from dp, rels and mz. I will not be around for the whole day tomorrow since my sister is getting married (only the official stuff, not the grand celebration) but I should find some time before/after the ceremony. Do you have a cutoff time for voting like I do? | ||
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On March 20 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote: Only possible explanations I can come up with for this change of direction: 1. Y'all actually think I'm more likely to flip scum than the scummiest player in the game. 2. Y'all actually think I could be on a team with DMB. I find both of these highly implausible so y'all must be scum tbh. amazing analysis. | ||
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On March 20 2024 08:33 die_meatbaby wrote: So just to make this clear I have to make a case on DP on Rels and J now. Because just making a case on one person for one lynch is not enough.. sorry not gonna waste my time for 3 cases at one lynch were I get lynched obv. you dont have to make a case. Just a coherent reason on why. And something other then alive/wrong | ||
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But being scum would be better. | ||
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On March 20 2024 09:04 DarthPunk wrote: Lets assume DMB is town for a minute perfection. Then who is mafia? it would be jealous mz jat just by poe. Im just assuming your town. Rels i have as town just because of his wtf with me with ve and other stuff. | ||
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On March 20 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote: Only possible explanations I can come up with for this change of direction: 1. Y'all actually think I'm more likely to flip scum than the scummiest player in the game. 2. Y'all actually think I could be on a team with DMB. I find both of these highly implausible so y'all must be scum tbh. what did you think of this | ||
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https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 anything not is a waste of time. | ||
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On March 20 2024 09:33 Jealous wrote: Game is hard. It's one of the potential teams that I think is plausible. Don't think there is another duo that has remained so supportive and unquestioning of each other in the game to be honest. A DMB x You x someone team is also possible. After all, you did tell me that she was unassailable for an entire day cycle. You did survive a situation where you were at 3 votes and no one jumped on your wagon, and from my POV it was 3-3-3 TvTv?. You were the final jump to Palmar, possibly because jumping to me would make you look suspicious when I flip town while I was voting you, possibly because you thought I was more firmly in your pocket despite voting you. I guess since JAT didn't answer my question for some reason, I'll ask you: I know that JAT's point was going against yours in this case, so if it makes more sense to you, try to construct a different DMB team. What do you think that hypothetical team is doing? he did jump to you what do you mean | ||
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On March 20 2024 09:37 DarthPunk wrote: Also Jealous, all the Jealous/dmb arguments that you made with it making no sense to be teamed also apply to me and DMB. sure you can say we are bussing now, but the same can be said for you and her so... well i think the argument would be you were defending her for a majority of the game to steer discussion away. Could say the same to me. | ||
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On March 20 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote: Can someone make a bulletpoint explanation for why this makes iamp town again? why do you keep on implying wrong = mafia | ||
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On March 20 2024 09:48 Jealous wrote: Misrep. I'm not implying that wrong = mafia, that's obvious, because I was wrong on CopCake, to a less-committed extent VE, and more recently Palmar. I'm trying to understand how it makes you town, though, which it doesn't. i dont know why dont you read the post instead of taking time to color it. | ||
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On March 20 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote: I just accept my death as Town dmb who can´t defend myself because of my bad filter because I don´t give a fuck if something looks scummy when I write. And I am just so sure who is mafia because there are almost no other options left anymore. I found out earlier in the game than most of the others, that makes me proud of myself even when we see tomorrow that only 2 of 3 reads are correct, I am still happy. I told this since days why I think it´s you and also told why I am thinking that the oracle is mafia. Nobody cared, nobody listen so why should I invest time again and make again the reads. Also I kinda want to read the obs. Because you killed all the nice people and I have to stay here with you-.- i thought you said jealous was for sure scum so how can you say nobody listening he has 3 votes right now. | ||
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On March 20 2024 10:03 die_meatbaby wrote: Because the game is over us. We will not get 3 mafia lynchs in a row Even when we lynch J today and he is scum and I am right I still could not handle another 2 days conviencing town here that I am Town I would be the misslynch anyway when it is not today then nice that I could defent myself from scum dp for 1 day but I will get lynched d2 or at the latest in three days if we come this far. great attitude if town. | ||
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On March 20 2024 21:49 Jealous wrote: I am basically a guaranteed ML at this point after getting pushed for several days and scum lynching the people who SR me, so I think being spread or concentrated on one of the more prime lynches makes as much sense from an objective POV. But, assuming you're town, I can understand the WIFOM. If dmb is scum. I think there is a reason you could be town. | ||
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I'm saying it from the perspective as if you are town jealous then it's just another town dead it wouldn't have mattered to me if I was scum. If your saying it's scummy because I kept you alive to force a possible mislynch later if you think I calculated that in like the 15 min when all this went down your insane. Also I think it's likely your town if dmb is scum because I think she slipped that your town with the reeing she was doing before the palmar flip. | ||
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On March 21 2024 04:51 Jealous wrote: So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Is2Qp2T.png) Because I thought at that time you could be scum too. And to prevent vivax from having a nervous breakdown. | ||
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Are you saying that's a slip? | ||
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The whole attack on you saying you were leading two Town wagons. | ||
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On March 21 2024 05:50 DarthPunk wrote: Oh yeah. Well that is true. But I am not sure it couldn’t have been stuck In there as fake spew. I just found it scummy that that was the reasoning, before jealous had flipped. She was town reading him at that time too ostensibly. What do you think of all this vote count analysis by jealous? Flawed obviously but I think he could be town. | ||
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https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=524#10475 And his post where he just agree with no activity might be ok. | ||
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On March 19 2024 02:02 Vivax wrote: I don‘t scumread DP anymore. I prefer the evil town hypothesis | ||
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On March 21 2024 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone over 50 page filter just auto lynch tbh i agree it makes it so you cant hit all clearly anti town. | ||
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