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Sweden33719 Posts
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A: General purpose, SC2 discussion thread.
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A: Basically, anything you want to talk about but aren't sure if it warrants a topic of its own. Heard a rumour you want to share? A new video? A question you are sure is super common but can't find the answer to via searching? A brilliant new idea that you want to vet, to make sure it's really as brilliant as you think it is?
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Posting standards will not be as high as if you were to make a new thread, but pointless spam will still not be tolerated. I have seen threads like these work out alright on other sites (for other games) so I figured, why not give it a shot? It's possible there's not really enough content for something like this to exist at this point in time, but no harm then, it will just die on its own.
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I think pro players struggle with PvZ. Is there a hope for Protoss before HotS?
Edit: One more. Storm seems to be underused at that match-up unless there is heavy muta play. Can we see some regular storm usage without protoss dying helplessly?
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Vatican City State582 Posts
It seems like Protoss has fairly restricted openings and tech choices (in order to be successful), but MC did show us how a FFE can work in favor or toss if done right at the Blizzard Cup. (Most notably the games vs Leenock and the 2nd match vs DRG.) MC did throw away the 3rd game for no reason with carriers and bunch of motherships....
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Which race dominates the ladder(s), even in highest places? Not meaning the race which has the most players, but meaning the race which has highest win/lose ratio.
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I'd really like to see more mech in TvP and see how it could be possible. I think a mech/air based style would actually be possible, with banshees, tanks a couple ravens and mass hellion with hellion drops everywhere (or mass marine with marine drops everywhere).
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PvZ seems ridiculously unbalanced atm, we can clearly see the protoss players in gsl struggling with this. Hots also does not seem to be a fix to this, since the units zerg are getting such as viper nullify protoss "power units" like colossus.
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mech is dumb, artosis is dumb, go tribes
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I dont understand how your league is chosen every season. Every season since the first one I play one game, then get directly placed into a division in Gold. For season 4, I purposely attempted to get into bronze, and see if I could advance, as I dont see my skill level as high as Gold. When I probe rushed and lost, I got into gold, but when my friend probe rushed and won, he got into bronze.
Main Question: How is your league chosen every season? Based on previous, or completely reselected?
Theres also been talk about how  Zenio just joined Liquid, and how EG needs a new korean player to match up. Most people are proposing Leenock but I dont see that happening. EG just partnered with SlayerS recently, so I believe that would be their best chance (even though their family is so close). I would have to go with CoCa or  Puzzle. CoCa because his recent interest in the international scene, and Puzzle cause... well, hes Puzzle.
Also, GSL Nov Up/Down groups just came out! What do y'all think of them? Im to lazy to make predictions right now, but I would like to see these people come out of it (I chose 2 from each group):
HuK, Alicia - MorroW,  Ryung - Polt, Zenio - BoxeR, Taeja - HerO, Clide
OMG BOXER CODE S YAYAYAYAYA (and huk, will always be my favorite)
Thanks. I like expressing my pointless thoughts.
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How many of your games have you cheesed?
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On December 16 2011 14:10 Pinna wrote:
Which race dominates the ladder(s), even in highest places? Not meaning the race which has the most players, but meaning the race which has highest win/lose ratio.
I would say Protoss definitely. It's the easier race up to high masters
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On December 16 2011 14:10 Pinna wrote:
Which race dominates the ladder(s), even in highest places? Not meaning the race which has the most players, but meaning the race which has highest win/lose ratio.
Asians, of course, we got +APM racials
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United States7483 Posts
On December 16 2011 16:31 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 14:10 Pinna wrote:
Which race dominates the ladder(s), even in highest places? Not meaning the race which has the most players, but meaning the race which has highest win/lose ratio. I would say Protoss definitely. It's the easier race up to high masters
Every race averages around a 50% win/loss ratio, because the ladder skews players towards a 50% win/loss ratio. Kind of a meaningless question.
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On December 16 2011 15:59 CakeMaster wrote:
I dont understand how your league is chosen every season. Every season since the first one I play one game, then get directly placed into a division in Gold. For season 4, I purposely attempted to get into bronze, and see if I could advance, as I dont see my skill level as high as Gold. When I probe rushed and lost, I got into gold, but when my friend probe rushed and won, he got into bronze.
Main Question: How is your league chosen every season? Based on previous, or completely reselected?
Its based on your MMR. Not really anything to do with what league you were previously or your placement match. If you're in gold you've got an MMR of a gold level. If you want to end up in bronze you'll have to tank your MMR by losing a bunch of games until your MMR drops to bronze level.
Example: I'm in Silver at the moment but I win something like 60-70% of my games and most of my opponents are Gold. Because the season is locked I can't be promoted but because most of my opponents are Gold my MMR is around Gold-level (because I'm being matched with Golds). So next season I expect to be promoted to Gold if not after placement then shortly after I start laddering (assuming I keep my winrate up). However if I just flat out quit my placement match then odds are I'll still either be placed into Gold or be very close; because that one single match will have a negligible effect on my MMR.
On a personal note...anyone else around Silver/Gold level on EU noticing a LOT of Protoss trying to 4-gate again all of a sudden? Dunno where this trend is coming from lately. It took me by surprise at first and I lost a couple but after the initial shock its handing me a lot of wins so I'm not complaining.
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I think an interesting way for T mech to be useful in both TvZ, TvP and TvT is to make the helion only armored and not light. This gives them a little more strength vs banelings and can be more useful in defending the tank/thor against a ling/baneling swarm that hits before the mutas try a magic box.
This can make Helion vs Helion battles not as critical in TvT too where maybe one misclick one player loses a lot of helions and is set back in the early game and is forced to turtle more.
Against P, T can't open mech because the P will pump too many immos. But in the very late game I think a T slow switch to mech could be very useful. A few Thors in the front to absorb the first 20 zealot charges/archons moving in would be huge in tanking some damage. Also, at the point where P can warp in 10 chargelots T switching to mix in blue-flame would be ideal. However, at that point in the game usually everyone is 3/3 and 3/3/3 but the T mech is 0/0 so they wouldn't even bother trying, especially after upgrading bio 3/3 and most likely T ship weapons for vikings vs col. Upgrading mech as well would be too much of an investment. I think to solve this you make T ship and mech weapon upgrades the same (not armor). That way the helions already have the dmg upgrade since you upgraded the vikings. This way you can pop out mass blue flame to help counter mass chargelot.
P in late game will get almost every unit in their dealthball vs T (templar, archon, chargelot, stalker, col, immo, sentry) but T tries to make the same bio work all game. I think these few changes could re-invent Mech in both match ups.
tldr; make helion only armored and not light, make T ship and ground weapons from armory the same upgrade.
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That isn't a balance proposal. That's completely rewriting the entire game. I'll be critically honest- it's a terrible idea. I don't like being that stark but that is the worst balance theory bullshit craft I've ever read.
>Give Terran a massive buff by making weapon upgrades apply to their two higher tech production structures
>Make hellions better despite them being already good enough and set for a huge change in HotS anyway
Mech is a viable alternative to the standard TvZ/P builds, albeit less so in TvP. All compositions do not have to be optimal to be successful.
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how long does the ladder lock last?
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Until the 20th I believe. It says in game.
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On December 17 2011 08:06 Probe1 wrote:
Until the 20th I believe. It says in game.
alright, I guess I missed that  thanks man
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