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OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24

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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
February 23 2025 05:22 GMT
#1
Scheduled to be from 1999 Korea open to 2012 tving StarLeague

They already have bunch of ai-upscaled videos up on channel on select big games, but they are really going to go into remastering entire run.

Announcement post: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDkGnyeib7mcU7LdD3x0jQ/community?lb=UgkxpAl3gzEymGgntclznRIEwMhL9n_NsVag

Playlist of current AI-upscales: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWQeRMoEALvqNJfmUx0P_h7NXr8MwjdAb
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1429 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-23 00:26:00
February 23 2025 00:25 GMT
#2
Hell, it's about time! Great news! Peak nostalgia.
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NukeTheStars
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States277 Posts
February 23 2025 00:47 GMT
#3
Horrible.

I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards.

The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later.

Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it.

LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1429 Posts
February 23 2025 00:55 GMT
#4
On February 23 2025 09:47 NukeTheStars wrote:
Horrible.

I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards.

The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later.

Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it.



Long time no see! I've actually thought if they have the replays they could load em in Remastered and have software track and match movement of the observer so we get actual beautiful Remastered without having to manually observe a game. If AI becomes cheaper then maybe a better trained model can just match things closer to Remastered. It doesn't look great ur right I just saw a bit... Still I'm glad it's not totally forgotten. ^_._^
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Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China145 Posts
February 23 2025 01:57 GMT
#5
For a moment I thought OGN was going to hold a new StarLeague
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51439 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-23 02:51:50
February 23 2025 02:47 GMT
#6
not a fan of their upscaling technique. the best quality are the original cable broadcasts that aren't compressed bitrate wise but i highly doubt that they have those lying around.
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
February 23 2025 03:40 GMT
#7
I think some will be in for a shock when they release the updated VoDs for the 1999 Tooniverse Open. The "Alien" chairs, the weird costumes & set design, and just how unrefined the meta was.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
February 23 2025 06:04 GMT
#8
On February 23 2025 09:47 NukeTheStars wrote:
Horrible.

I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards.

The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later.

Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it.



Yeah can confirm these look awful
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1361 Posts
February 23 2025 07:23 GMT
#9
i guess after 4 to 6 beers this could be almost watchable?
mada mada dane
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51439 Posts
February 23 2025 08:10 GMT
#10
On February 23 2025 12:40 Chris_Havoc wrote:
I think some will be in for a shock when they release the updated VoDs for the 1999 Tooniverse Open. The "Alien" chairs, the weird costumes & set design, and just how unrefined the meta was.


they're already on youtube, check out the amazing vhs quality recordings!

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KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1762 Posts
February 23 2025 09:46 GMT
#11
They should just release all the replays so we can look at them in SC:R mode graphics
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
February 23 2025 11:03 GMT
#12
On February 23 2025 18:46 KameZerg wrote:
They should just release all the replays so we can look at them in SC:R mode graphics


That would require OGN to still have the old replays on file, which I rather doubt they do for the oldest events.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1429 Posts
February 23 2025 12:50 GMT
#13
On February 23 2025 17:10 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2025 12:40 Chris_Havoc wrote:
I think some will be in for a shock when they release the updated VoDs for the 1999 Tooniverse Open. The "Alien" chairs, the weird costumes & set design, and just how unrefined the meta was.


they're already on youtube, check out the amazing vhs quality recordings!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRiCqMQtnI&list=PLR3ZiNqGs0OTpIWg6Nm1H3dXVsGRAtufy&index=2


Lel... This is way worse than the new upscale. Both for the eyes and ears. ^_._^
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tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada407 Posts
February 23 2025 12:52 GMT
#14
this makes me miss the 1990s

veto 9/11

veto apple iphone

veto covid

veto all the wars

veto AI

life was good
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LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1764 Posts
February 23 2025 13:01 GMT
#15
idk what everyone is whining about. it looks a lot better than the other videos of that time on YT.
Also releasing the replays won't help you much with watching them in SCR, as they won't work. You'd have to switch an old version of BW to the version used in the replay to watch it.
LML
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-23 13:25:55
February 23 2025 13:25 GMT
#16
Thank you OGN for preserving SC history! Watched a little and the quality looks good. Just needs some organization.
_Zephyre_
Profile Joined October 2024
France7 Posts
February 23 2025 13:31 GMT
#17
That's awesome!

The result itself is far from ideal, but it's awesome that OGN shows love for the game, & the idea is awesome.
Also, quite frankly, it's perfectly watchable, much more than the old 240p content.

Let's just hope we eventually get better upscaling
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1429 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-23 14:33:21
February 23 2025 14:12 GMT
#18
On February 23 2025 22:01 LML wrote:
idk what everyone is whining about. it looks a lot better than the other videos of that time on YT.
Also releasing the replays won't help you much with watching them in SCR, as they won't work. You'd have to switch an old version of BW to the version used in the replay to watch it.


I don't know the extent to which that is actually true. Here is a working replay from 2001 when replays were introduced.

(I skipped through another longer replay and there were mine idle workers at the main nexus with minerals still unmined which is a clear sign of a broken/incompatible replay)

Maybe some1 with 1.08 or later install up to 1.16.1 can check the replay and see if it matches with the remastered.

I also guess there is a way to make a RepFix for remastered if the need arises.

https://repmastered.icza.net/?page=6&from=1969-01-23&to=2001-01-23

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LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1764 Posts
February 23 2025 14:56 GMT
#19
On February 23 2025 23:12 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2025 22:01 LML wrote:
idk what everyone is whining about. it looks a lot better than the other videos of that time on YT.
Also releasing the replays won't help you much with watching them in SCR, as they won't work. You'd have to switch an old version of BW to the version used in the replay to watch it.


I don't know the extent to which that is actually true. Here is a working replay from 2001 when replays were introduced.

(I skipped through another longer replay and there were mine idle workers at the main nexus with minerals still unmined which is a clear sign of a broken/incompatible replay)

Maybe some1 with 1.08 or later install up to 1.16.1 can check the replay and see if it matches with the remastered.

I also guess there is a way to make a RepFix for remastered if the need arises.

https://repmastered.icza.net/?page=6&from=1969-01-23&to=2001-01-23


colour me surprised. I'd have expected it to be pretty broken or incompatible since there was a version changer program back in the day so people could watch replays from older versions without issues.
LML
Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
71 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-23 16:41:11
February 23 2025 16:34 GMT
#20
On February 23 2025 12:40 Chris_Havoc wrote:
I think some will be in for a shock when they release the updated VoDs for the 1999 Tooniverse Open. The "Alien" chairs, the weird costumes & set design, and just how unrefined the meta was.


damn


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