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jinjin5000
United States1423 Posts
They already have bunch of ai-upscaled videos up on channel on select big games, but they are really going to go into remastering entire run. Announcement post: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKDkGnyeib7mcU7LdD3x0jQ/community?lb=UgkxpAl3gzEymGgntclznRIEwMhL9n_NsVag Playlist of current AI-upscales: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWQeRMoEALvqNJfmUx0P_h7NXr8MwjdAb 
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1430 Posts
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NukeTheStars
United States277 Posts
I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards. The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later. Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1430 Posts
On February 23 2025 09:47 NukeTheStars wrote: Horrible. I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards. The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later. Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it. Long time no see! I've actually thought if they have the replays they could load em in Remastered and have software track and match movement of the observer so we get actual beautiful Remastered without having to manually observe a game. If AI becomes cheaper then maybe a better trained model can just match things closer to Remastered. It doesn't look great ur right I just saw a bit... Still I'm glad it's not totally forgotten. ^_._^ | ||
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Zergxhx
China146 Posts
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GTR
51446 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On February 23 2025 09:47 NukeTheStars wrote: Horrible. I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards. The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later. Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it. Yeah can confirm these look awful | ||
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kAra
Germany1369 Posts
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GTR
51446 Posts
On February 23 2025 12:40 Chris_Havoc wrote: I think some will be in for a shock when they release the updated VoDs for the 1999 Tooniverse Open. The "Alien" chairs, the weird costumes & set design, and just how unrefined the meta was. they're already on youtube, check out the amazing vhs quality recordings! | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1762 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On February 23 2025 18:46 KameZerg wrote: They should just release all the replays so we can look at them in SC:R mode graphics That would require OGN to still have the old replays on file, which I rather doubt they do for the oldest events. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1430 Posts
On February 23 2025 17:10 GTR wrote: they're already on youtube, check out the amazing vhs quality recordings! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRiCqMQtnI&list=PLR3ZiNqGs0OTpIWg6Nm1H3dXVsGRAtufy&index=2 Lel... This is way worse than the new upscale. Both for the eyes and ears. ^_._^ | ||
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tankgirl
Canada407 Posts
veto 9/11 veto apple iphone veto covid veto all the wars veto AI life was good | ||
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LML
Germany1764 Posts
Also releasing the replays won't help you much with watching them in SCR, as they won't work. You'd have to switch an old version of BW to the version used in the replay to watch it. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1011 Posts
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_Zephyre_
France7 Posts
The result itself is far from ideal, but it's awesome that OGN shows love for the game, & the idea is awesome. Also, quite frankly, it's perfectly watchable, much more than the old 240p content. Let's just hope we eventually get better upscaling | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1430 Posts
On February 23 2025 22:01 LML wrote: idk what everyone is whining about. it looks a lot better than the other videos of that time on YT. Also releasing the replays won't help you much with watching them in SCR, as they won't work. You'd have to switch an old version of BW to the version used in the replay to watch it. I don't know the extent to which that is actually true. Here is a working replay from 2001 when replays were introduced. (I skipped through another longer replay and there were mine idle workers at the main nexus with minerals still unmined which is a clear sign of a broken/incompatible replay) Maybe some1 with 1.08 or later install up to 1.16.1 can check the replay and see if it matches with the remastered. I also guess there is a way to make a RepFix for remastered if the need arises. https://repmastered.icza.net/?page=6&from=1969-01-23&to=2001-01-23 ![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/dJtg2hX5/SCScrn-Shot-022325-160334.png) | ||
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LML
Germany1764 Posts
On February 23 2025 23:12 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: I don't know the extent to which that is actually true. Here is a working replay from 2001 when replays were introduced. (I skipped through another longer replay and there were mine idle workers at the main nexus with minerals still unmined which is a clear sign of a broken/incompatible replay) Maybe some1 with 1.08 or later install up to 1.16.1 can check the replay and see if it matches with the remastered. I also guess there is a way to make a RepFix for remastered if the need arises. https://repmastered.icza.net/?page=6&from=1969-01-23&to=2001-01-23 colour me surprised. I'd have expected it to be pretty broken or incompatible since there was a version changer program back in the day so people could watch replays from older versions without issues. | ||
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Soft_General_5023
71 Posts
On February 23 2025 12:40 Chris_Havoc wrote: I think some will be in for a shock when they release the updated VoDs for the 1999 Tooniverse Open. The "Alien" chairs, the weird costumes & set design, and just how unrefined the meta was. damn ![[image loading]](https://imgur.com/a/zagPzYM) imgur.com | ||
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TelecoM
United States10672 Posts
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art_of_turtle
United States1183 Posts
On February 23 2025 09:47 NukeTheStars wrote: Horrible. I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards. The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later. Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it. A blast from past to throw down the real talk. | ||
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HolySmokes
56 Posts
On February 23 2025 21:52 tankgirl wrote: this makes me miss the 1990s veto 9/11 veto apple iphone veto covid veto all the wars veto AI life was good Veto social media, veto Savior, veto Starcraft 2... | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4193 Posts
On February 24 2025 03:21 HolySmokes wrote: Veto social media, veto Savior, veto Starcraft 2... Yeah, just veto smartphones forever (internet usage only from home or library, etc) and we're good. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4193 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
Once again I am glad for having downloaded that giant OGN torrent all those years ago. It makes you wonder if they even bothered to compare the AI result to the original, imo the original vods still hold up just fine. Its the MBC vods that are a pixelated mess with audio straight from hell. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
 It actually reminded me that it would be a nice pet-project to try doing the same with old bw highlight videos. | ||
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HolySmokes
56 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2269 Posts
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Bonyth
Poland560 Posts
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GTR
51446 Posts
On February 23 2025 23:56 LML wrote: colour me surprised. I'd have expected it to be pretty broken or incompatible since there was a version changer program back in the day so people could watch replays from older versions without issues. if you look at the minimap, it clearly shows that it is python, a map released in 2007. seems like for some reason whoever created the replay had their pc time set to 2001. anyway from memory, anything that's 1.08 to 1.11 will definitely be fucked if it involves a zerg. other match-up's is a coin flip. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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GTR
51446 Posts
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
the brightness of the other rm vids on their channel is way better, there's also this weird wiggly effect on the units/buildings that the other vids don't have | ||
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tankgirl
Canada407 Posts
maybe we re-discover some lost, forgotten, super-cool builds starcraft archeology | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1011 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On February 23 2025 17:10 GTR wrote: they're already on youtube, check out the amazing vhs quality recordings! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pRiCqMQtnI&list=PLR3ZiNqGs0OTpIWg6Nm1H3dXVsGRAtufy&index=2 The pure levels of soul on display here is simply incredible | ||
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SpaNiarD
Spain346 Posts
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mtcn77
Turkey348 Posts
On February 23 2025 09:47 NukeTheStars wrote: Horrible. I noticed them doing this months ago and was deeply disappointed by it. A.I.-upscaling, especially the way OGN has used it, makes the games look like some kind of smeary, strange Freddy Krueger nightmare. It makes me literally physically ill to look at it, and I think anybody who considers this a "remaster" needs to reevaluate their standards. The strange thing is, I'm not even sure why they're doing this. While the quality of recordings for most old games on their YouTube channel isn't great, I know higher quality versions of the recordings must exist, right? There were streams in pretty darn good quality back in the day. I know this because, for a time, I received stream recordings from Baezzi that were very nice, and they still look nice on my channel like 15 years later. Maybe OGN has lost their recorded archive? I don't get it. Maybe there can be some sort of xBRZ filter. I have been into upscalers, that is a tier above superxbr if you have the means. Like you say, neural upscalers are lossy - they are not to be used. Super XBR 100/75 is the gold standard. PS: Man! The first game I watch, it is Leta!  | ||
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GTR
51446 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33369 Posts
Early StarCraft was sure cool  | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey348 Posts
On February 24 2025 19:47 GTR wrote: one thing i definitely agree on is that the non-game upscaling (so the player shots etc) are amazing quality, upscaled. I love the old animations. The new one resembles sc2. PS: these replays are on fire! I believe they can be improved upon if the wireframes were extrapolated from a noninterlaced original a.k.a. from source material. | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On February 24 2025 20:10 Waxangel wrote: A ladder stocked with ridiculously long ground-path maps + Blizzard taking an agonizingly long time to nerf Mutalisk rushing... Early StarCraft was sure cool Oh it gets even weirder. If my memory hasn't gone bad, Zerg Queen rushes eventually become a thing later on in the 1999 Open. The ZvZ games in particular are so different compared to the standard ZvZ meta that we know. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On February 24 2025 21:05 Chris_Havoc wrote: Oh it gets even weirder. If my memory hasn't gone bad, Zerg Queen rushes eventually become a thing later on in the 1999 Open. The ZvZ games in particular are so different compared to the standard ZvZ meta that we know. What do you mean queen rushes ? for what purpose LMAO. I will love to see a game if you can link one! | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey348 Posts
On February 24 2025 23:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: What do you mean queen rushes ? for what purpose LMAO. I will love to see a game if you can link one! Do you recall there being battlereports on battle.net, images of queens ensnaring marines? Is it again one of my memory manifestations? | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On February 25 2025 02:53 mtcn77 wrote: Do you recall there being battlereports on battle.net, images of queens ensnaring marines? Is it again one of my memory manifestations? What do you mean by battlereports on battle net ? | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey348 Posts
On February 25 2025 04:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: There used to be battle reports there since replays weren't yet invented. Maybe they were, otherwise how would they capture screenshots?What do you mean by battlereports on battle net ? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On February 25 2025 04:39 mtcn77 wrote: There used to be battle reports there since replays weren't yet invented. Maybe they were, otherwise how would they capture screenshots? Was this an official thing or just random players reporting their games and uploading this pictures ? | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1423 Posts
Sure the remastered 1999 doesn't look great, but its leagues ahead compared to 1999 one. At least you can make out faces. But I think that's because originals are in such low quality in first place, altho I swear when I watched some of these proleagues on tooniverse back in the day on TV, I swear it looked lot more watchable on TV. Biggest obstacle for SC2 recruit like me from watching these old games are its quality and I'm glad OGN is remastering them, even if the letters look off. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/TQArv4t.png) | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
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mtcn77
Turkey348 Posts
On February 25 2025 06:51 TT1 wrote: just watch the original games on CRT monitor, problem solved I used to think that, but these remasters prove I love the old colors. The new game looks oversaturated lcd and the old looks like greyed out crt, perfect greyscale, you know what I mean? I'll drop starcraft remastered in a heartbeat just to watch these anew. | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
On February 25 2025 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote: Guys the 1999 looks unwatchable, idk what you guys are saying with it having souls and all. Sure the remastered 1999 doesn't look great, but its leagues ahead compared to 1999 one. At least you can make out faces. But I think that's because originals are in such low quality in first place, altho I swear when I watched some of these proleagues on tooniverse back in the day on TV, I swear it looked lot more watchable on TV. Biggest obstacle for SC2 recruit like me from watching these old games are its quality and I'm glad OGN is remastering them, even if the letters look off. I agree, and this isn't something a crt will fix. This is a camera pointed at a projection and is at most 240p. 1.16 on CRT was amazing, I agree, but if this is the best way to preserve these old games so be it, hopefully the old versions stick around without OGN going after them. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey348 Posts
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JMave
Singapore1803 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4193 Posts
On February 25 2025 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote: Guys the 1999 looks unwatchable, idk what you guys are saying with it having souls and all. Sure the remastered 1999 doesn't look great, but its leagues ahead compared to 1999 one. At least you can make out faces. But I think that's because originals are in such low quality in first place, altho I swear when I watched some of these proleagues on tooniverse back in the day on TV, I swear it looked lot more watchable on TV. Biggest obstacle for SC2 recruit like me from watching these old games are its quality and I'm glad OGN is remastering them, even if the letters look off. yeah, I agree with this statement | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
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npnl19
Russian Federation27 Posts
If anyone remembers "emperor of the terran" (Boxer DVD) which also contains games from 2002 i think - - that what its ("old games re-releases in 2025") probably should at least look like. | ||
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GTR
51446 Posts
On February 26 2025 02:36 npnl19 wrote: Those upscales are probably not from "original" source ? If anyone remembers "emperor of the terran" (Boxer DVD) which also contains games from 2002 i think - - that what its ("old games re-releases in 2025") probably should at least look like. yes these are definitely the highest quality i've ever seen from starcraft matches in the pre-sc2 era. however i don't have the iso anymore and i'm not sure if anyone has a copy of the videos i ripped. from memory even the korean warez scene didn't even release pure ts/tp files of starcraft games; they were always compressed down with xvid back in the day (shoutouts to oskyloveo) | ||
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rotta
5586 Posts
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GTR
51446 Posts
so the upscaling allows us to read some of the chat and its kinda funny everlast: "so i think the makeup girl wants your phone number" everlast: "btw winner pays for soju ^^" | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
As a way to show just how far the meta has morphed & evolved over the last 26 years of course. | ||
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HolySmokes
56 Posts
On February 27 2025 20:16 GTR wrote: so the upscaling allows us to read some of the chat and its kinda funny everlast: "so i think the makeup girl wants your phone number" everlast: "btw winner pays for soju ^^" "i like beer" haha. I love the banter but I guess this is why it was banned XD | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On February 27 2025 22:08 Chris_Havoc wrote: I would love that after all the '99 Tooniverse vods come out, that Tasteless & Artosis cast them, hopefully without having seen them previously. As a way to show just how far the meta has morphed & evolved over the last 26 years of course. That would be hilarious. I kind of both want to watch it with 'forgiving' Artosis and 'this is not how you're supposed to play it' Artosis. | ||
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Simplistik
2005 Posts
But, as usual, people exaggerate terribly... It's completely fine, way better than the grainy mess vods that are still available. 10/10 unreasonable complaints, definitely enjoyed that. | ||
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goody153
44119 Posts
I used to watch grainy videoes but I could not do that anymore nowadays. This is just great ! | ||
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funkyemy
Germany9 Posts
On May 09 2025 17:11 Simplistik wrote: After the comments on the first page I expected the quality to be really bad. But, as usual, people exaggerate terribly... It's completely fine, way better than the grainy mess vods that are still available. 10/10 unreasonable complaints, definitely enjoyed that. I think it depends on how you look at it, resolution seems quite fine but the image is so unstable with all the texture fizzling that I cannot watch it for more than 2 minutes before getting sea sick. But everything outside of the gameplay looks so sick and funny, like the extremely detailed chairs and desks that look extremely uncomfortable. Makes me nostalgic, even though I'm not much into bw and was three years old at the time of recording lol | ||
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