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mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey330 Posts
February 24 2025 19:39 GMT
#52
On February 25 2025 04:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2025 02:53 mtcn77 wrote:
On February 24 2025 23:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On February 24 2025 21:05 Chris_Havoc wrote:
On February 24 2025 20:10 Waxangel wrote:
A ladder stocked with ridiculously long ground-path maps + Blizzard taking an agonizingly long time to nerf Mutalisk rushing...

Early StarCraft was sure cool


Oh it gets even weirder. If my memory hasn't gone bad, Zerg Queen rushes eventually become a thing later on in the 1999 Open. The ZvZ games in particular are so different compared to the standard ZvZ meta that we know.

What do you mean queen rushes ? for what purpose LMAO. I will love to see a game if you can link one!

Do you recall there being battlereports on battle.net, images of queens ensnaring marines? Is it again one of my memory manifestations?


What do you mean by battlereports on battle net ?
There used to be battle reports there since replays weren't yet invented. Maybe they were, otherwise how would they capture screenshots?
Turrican
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6559 Posts
February 24 2025 21:04 GMT
#53
On February 25 2025 04:39 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2025 04:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On February 25 2025 02:53 mtcn77 wrote:
On February 24 2025 23:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On February 24 2025 21:05 Chris_Havoc wrote:
On February 24 2025 20:10 Waxangel wrote:
A ladder stocked with ridiculously long ground-path maps + Blizzard taking an agonizingly long time to nerf Mutalisk rushing...

Early StarCraft was sure cool


Oh it gets even weirder. If my memory hasn't gone bad, Zerg Queen rushes eventually become a thing later on in the 1999 Open. The ZvZ games in particular are so different compared to the standard ZvZ meta that we know.

What do you mean queen rushes ? for what purpose LMAO. I will love to see a game if you can link one!

Do you recall there being battlereports on battle.net, images of queens ensnaring marines? Is it again one of my memory manifestations?


What do you mean by battlereports on battle net ?
There used to be battle reports there since replays weren't yet invented. Maybe they were, otherwise how would they capture screenshots?

Was this an official thing or just random players reporting their games and uploading this pictures ?
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1422 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-24 21:52:07
February 24 2025 21:47 GMT
#54
Guys the 1999 looks unwatchable, idk what you guys are saying with it having souls and all.
Sure the remastered 1999 doesn't look great, but its leagues ahead compared to 1999 one. At least you can make out faces. But I think that's because originals are in such low quality in first place, altho I swear when I watched some of these proleagues on tooniverse back in the day on TV, I swear it looked lot more watchable on TV.

Biggest obstacle for SC2 recruit like me from watching these old games are its quality and I'm glad OGN is remastering them, even if the letters look off.

[image loading]
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10006 Posts
February 24 2025 21:51 GMT
#55
just watch the original games on CRT monitor, problem solved
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mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey330 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-24 22:41:08
February 24 2025 22:17 GMT
#56
On February 25 2025 06:51 TT1 wrote:
just watch the original games on CRT monitor, problem solved

I used to think that, but these remasters prove I love the old colors. The new game looks oversaturated lcd and the old looks like greyed out crt, perfect greyscale, you know what I mean? I'll drop starcraft remastered in a heartbeat just to watch these anew.
Turrican
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
February 24 2025 23:02 GMT
#57
On February 25 2025 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote:
Guys the 1999 looks unwatchable, idk what you guys are saying with it having souls and all.
Sure the remastered 1999 doesn't look great, but its leagues ahead compared to 1999 one. At least you can make out faces. But I think that's because originals are in such low quality in first place, altho I swear when I watched some of these proleagues on tooniverse back in the day on TV, I swear it looked lot more watchable on TV.

Biggest obstacle for SC2 recruit like me from watching these old games are its quality and I'm glad OGN is remastering them, even if the letters look off.

[image loading]


I agree, and this isn't something a crt will fix. This is a camera pointed at a projection and is at most 240p. 1.16 on CRT was amazing, I agree, but if this is the best way to preserve these old games so be it, hopefully the old versions stick around without OGN going after them.
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mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey330 Posts
February 24 2025 23:15 GMT
#58
Honestly this could be fixed if dual stage upscaling was used. Superxbr is great at upscaling, however it isn't much good adding lost resolution - that is what neural filters do best. One is good for luma, the other for chroma, although I'm having my doubts as is. Make a custom filter for the wireframes and deinterlacing. Maybe somebody would help from the madvr & avsforums.
Turrican
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
February 25 2025 00:35 GMT
#59
Oh wow this is amazing! I have to agree that while its not perfect, its way better than what we had before. I would hope one day to rewatch the Bisu vs Savior series after upscaling.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4187 Posts
February 25 2025 11:04 GMT
#60
On February 25 2025 06:47 jinjin5000 wrote:
Guys the 1999 looks unwatchable, idk what you guys are saying with it having souls and all.
Sure the remastered 1999 doesn't look great, but its leagues ahead compared to 1999 one. At least you can make out faces. But I think that's because originals are in such low quality in first place, altho I swear when I watched some of these proleagues on tooniverse back in the day on TV, I swear it looked lot more watchable on TV.

Biggest obstacle for SC2 recruit like me from watching these old games are its quality and I'm glad OGN is remastering them, even if the letters look off.

[image loading]

yeah, I agree with this statement
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
February 25 2025 12:42 GMT
#61
I thought it looked pretty good compared to the original.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
npnl19
Profile Joined August 2016
Russian Federation27 Posts
February 25 2025 17:36 GMT
#62
Those upscales are probably not from "original" source ?
If anyone remembers "emperor of the terran" (Boxer DVD) which also contains games from 2002 i think -
- that what its ("old games re-releases in 2025") probably should at least look like.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51438 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-25 22:31:49
February 25 2025 22:28 GMT
#63
On February 26 2025 02:36 npnl19 wrote:
Those upscales are probably not from "original" source ?
If anyone remembers "emperor of the terran" (Boxer DVD) which also contains games from 2002 i think -
- that what its ("old games re-releases in 2025") probably should at least look like.


yes these are definitely the highest quality i've ever seen from starcraft matches in the pre-sc2 era. however i don't have the iso anymore and i'm not sure if anyone has a copy of the videos i ripped.

from memory even the korean warez scene didn't even release pure ts/tp files of starcraft games; they were always compressed down with xvid back in the day (shoutouts to oskyloveo)
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5586 Posts
February 26 2025 16:21 GMT
#64
I have a sealed copy of the Boxer dvd I could part with in case someone's interested.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51438 Posts
February 27 2025 11:16 GMT
#65


so the upscaling allows us to read some of the chat and its kinda funny

everlast: "so i think the makeup girl wants your phone number"
everlast: "btw winner pays for soju ^^"
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
February 27 2025 13:08 GMT
#66
I would love that after all the '99 Tooniverse vods come out, that Tasteless & Artosis cast them, hopefully without having seen them previously.

As a way to show just how far the meta has morphed & evolved over the last 26 years of course.
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HolySmokes
Profile Joined December 2024
56 Posts
March 01 2025 03:46 GMT
#67
On February 27 2025 20:16 GTR wrote:

so the upscaling allows us to read some of the chat and its kinda funny

everlast: "so i think the makeup girl wants your phone number"
everlast: "btw winner pays for soju ^^"


"i like beer" haha. I love the banter but I guess this is why it was banned XD
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
March 11 2025 07:37 GMT
#68
On February 27 2025 22:08 Chris_Havoc wrote:
I would love that after all the '99 Tooniverse vods come out, that Tasteless & Artosis cast them, hopefully without having seen them previously.

As a way to show just how far the meta has morphed & evolved over the last 26 years of course.

That would be hilarious. I kind of both want to watch it with 'forgiving' Artosis and 'this is not how you're supposed to play it' Artosis.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-09 08:12:53
May 09 2025 08:11 GMT
#69
After the comments on the first page I expected the quality to be really bad.

But, as usual, people exaggerate terribly... It's completely fine, way better than the grainy mess vods that are still available.

10/10 unreasonable complaints, definitely enjoyed that.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44113 Posts
May 09 2025 12:09 GMT
#70
Lets goooooooooo. This is great.

I used to watch grainy videoes but I could not do that anymore nowadays. This is just great !
this is a quote
funkyemy
Profile Joined May 2025
Germany9 Posts
May 09 2025 15:02 GMT
#71
On May 09 2025 17:11 Simplistik wrote:
After the comments on the first page I expected the quality to be really bad.

But, as usual, people exaggerate terribly... It's completely fine, way better than the grainy mess vods that are still available.

10/10 unreasonable complaints, definitely enjoyed that.



I think it depends on how you look at it, resolution seems quite fine but the image is so unstable with all the texture fizzling that I cannot watch it for more than 2 minutes before getting sea sick.

But everything outside of the gameplay looks so sick and funny, like the extremely detailed chairs and desks that look extremely uncomfortable. Makes me nostalgic, even though I'm not much into bw and was three years old at the time of recording lol
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