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NeoIllusions
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Last Edited: 2015-03-24 23:43:52
March 24 2015 23:41 GMT
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Welcome to the Patch General Discussion thread for the League of Legends subforum. This thread is for discussion around League of Legends and the most recent patch. Free feel to talk about anything LoL related here that does not already have its own thread. While posting standards tend to be rather lax in this thread, pointless spam will not be tolerated.

Off-topic dicsussion should go in the Off-topic Discussion Thread.

Certain topics are blacklisted from LoL General Discussion and they include:
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Additionally, the TL LoL Ten Commandments are available for you to reference if you have any questions about this subforum.

Use the LoL Strategy subforum if you have game or champion specific questions. Lastly, confine QQing and bragging to their respective threads.

There is no new champion this patch.

Patch 5.6: Live on Mar. 25th, 2015
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Champions







Aatrox



Massacre fills Aatrox's Blood Well.



Often times Aatrox would find himself wanting to use Dark Flight for a massive knockup into the enemy team, only realizing he didn't have much to be doing once he was in. Whether you're diving the backlines or just brawling the old-fashioned way, Massacre makes sure you've got enough fire in your veins when you decide to dive-kick your way into combat.



R - Massacre



newDRINK THEIR BLOOD Now grants 20% of Maximum Blood Well for each enemy hit









Amumu



Amumu,


This wasn't the most abusive thing around because it requires you to be out of mana, so you couldn't very well gank or defend yourself, but nonetheless unintended. Don't cry, Amumu (at least wait until you have enough mana).



W - Despair



NO MORE TEARS Fixed a bug where Despair would not toggle off when Amumu ran out of mana









Annie



Tibbers aura damage scales with rank.



For a long time we've been pushing Annie into being League's Premier "bear-mage" (that's a thing), be it by lowering Tibbers' cooldown, giving him better defenses, or sharing Molten Shield. With plays beginning to fully respect Tibbers as an entity (he has feelings too, you know), we're pulling back on some of the free damage you get just for being within hugging distance.



R - Summon: Tibbers



TIBBERS AURA BASE DAMAGE 35 magic damage ⇒ 20/30/40 magic damage









Bard



Q damage up. E cooldown down, plus some bugfixes/improvements.



Bard's been out for less than a patch, and while we're already seeing the growing pains of players and teammates alike coordinating around his unique abilities, it's clear he released on the wrong note. We're taking it slow for now, but some more power on Q and some improvements to his signature E means that you'll have a better time on your Magical Journeys this patch...assuming bard isn't too busy collecting chimes to open one for you.



General



NO MORE LICHBANE Bard's recommended items have been updates to reflect a more supportive playstyle



Q - Cosmic Binding



DAMAGE 75/100/145/180/215 magic damage ⇒ 80/120/160/200/240 magic damage


removedCOSMIC COINCENDENCE Cosmic Binding can no longer tether to unusual units such as Jarvan's Demacian Standard, Syndra's Dark Orbs, Jayce's Acceleration Gate, and Wards



E - Magical Journey



COOLDOWN 26/24/22/20/18 seconds ⇒ 20/19/18/17/16 seconds


SPIRITED AWAY Clicking on a Magical Journey portal is now more forgiving


TRAVEL GUIDE Allies that go on a Magical Journey will grant Bard an assist on their kills for a short time afterwards


MAGICAL EQUALITY Clones (such as those created by Shaco, Leblanc, Mordekaiser and Yorick) can now be commanded to take a Magical Journey



R - Tempered Fate



TEMPERED MONSTERS Neutral Monsters will no longer have their health reset while under stasis









Cassiopeia



Cassiopeia gets less AP when combined with %AP amplifying effects



Last patch we modified how the first Dragon buff interacts with Rabadon's Deathcap (from multiplicative to additive, with an expected ~1-2% ability power change), but failed to document the larger hit to Cassiopeia, who was tripling (quadrupling?) down on it with her passive, Dragon buff, masteries, and Rabadon's Deathcap. We're documenting it now and realize this is late game Cassi nerf, but we're watching how this shakes out first.


LATE GAME CASSI NERF Dragon buff and Rabadon's Deathcap now interact additively rather than multiplicatively. When these two ability power % modifications (and masteries) interact with Cassiopeia passive, they now give roughly ~12% less bonus ability power at late, late game.









Elise



Human form's slower, Spider form's faster. Rappel is easier to use. Cocoon's faster.



A champion that toes the line of viability, it's been a long time since we've seen Elise terrorizing the top tables. While the usability fix to Rappel shouldn't be understated (that move is really difficult to use), our changes are to increase power in ways that you can feel. A slight nerf to Elise's speed allows us to make her transformation even more deadly, and her cocoon follow-up a little easier to land.



General



BASE MOVEMENT SPEED (HUMAN FORM) 335 ⇒ 330


BASE MOVEMENT SPEED (SPIDER FORM) 345 ⇒ 355



E - Rappel



USABILITY Elise can now right click while in the air to descend on a target in addition to pressing E again



E - Cocoon



MISSILE SPEED 1450 ⇒ 1600









Evelynn



Evelynn stealths faster lategame. W now works off of spellcasts.



For one of League's most tactical champions, Eve's been struggling since her days on top. While we've seen improvements with recent jungle changes, we wanted to play up some of Evelynn's unique positioning play. Skirting in and out of Shadow Walk becomes much faster later, keeping opponents guessing after clearing wards or attempting an ambush - combined with Dark Frenzy's spell-based cooldown paradigm, we're aiming for a more 'hit-and-run' pattern, giving her more control in bursts but less strength when just training someone down.



Passive - Shadow Walk



COOLDOWN ON ENTERING STEALTH 6 seconds ⇒ 6/5/4/3 seconds (at levels 1/6/11/16)



W - Dark Frenzy



removedGOTTA GO FAST Spell hits no longer passively grant stacking movement speed


newULTRA RAPID FRENZY Spell hits now lower Dark Frenzy's cooldown by 1 second









Galio



E's cooldown gets lower with rank.



As of this writing, none of Galio's basic abilities had scaling cooldowns...UNTIL NOW. Righteous Gust is one of the gargoyle's cooler moves, so we're letting him toss some more tornadoes around as the game goes on.



E - Righteous Gust



COOLDOWN 12 seconds ⇒ 13/12/11/10/9 seconds









Irelia



E damage lowered.



Balance Trivia! Despite the 'Better Nerf Irelia' jokes, did you know her last nerf was 3 years ago (March 2012), and that she's only been nerfed 4 times ever? We thought that was neat.


As for these changes, they're pretty light - Equilibrium Strike gives access to a heap of CC, easily turning a losing fight into a winning one. For being such a game-changer, we're lowering the amount of raw damage it does so she doesn't always come out of trades ahead.



E - Equilibrium Strike



DAMAGE 80/130/180/230/280 magic damage ⇒ 80/120/160/200/240 magic damage









Katarina



Base Health and regen down. Health per level up.



For one of the heaviest snowball champions in league, Katarina's lane-bully potential is enabled by having the base-stats to win wars of attrition with enemy mids, whittling them down for the kill. We're pulling back on that to give her opponents a better window of vulnerability to exploit.



General



HEALTH PER LEVEL 80 ⇒ 83


BASE HEALTH 560 ⇒ 510


BASE HEALTH REGEN 7.7 ⇒ 4.5









Karthus



Karthus' basic attack is less bad.



For when spamming Lay Waste just doesn't cut it.



General



BASIC ATTACK FRAME Really Bad ⇒ Improved









LeBlanc



R's copied spells deal less damage.



Let's level here: We actually think LeBlanc is pretty okay. Though she's polarizing in the same way Nidalee can be when successful, she serves as a counterbalance to a lot of other strong picks and keeps things interesting. We're tuning her damage back slightly to relieve some of the pressure other midlaners have to deal with against her, but Leblanc as a champion is performing pretty close to our expectations overall.



R - Mimic



MIMIC: SIGIL OF MALICE RATIO 0.65 ability power ⇒ 0.6 ability power


MIMIC: DISTORTION RATIO 0.975 ability power ⇒ 0.9 ability power


MIMIC: ETHEREAL CHAINS RATIO 0.65 ability power ⇒ 0.6 ability power









Lux



R does more damage when popping Lux's passive. (This was always intended, but not always functional)



When we gave Illumination an AP ratio way back in 4.13, it worked when your basic attacks triggered it but never for Final Spark. For all you light mages out there: this adds a 20% AP ratio when banishing the shadows.



R - Final Spark



CHARGING MY LASER Fixed a bug where triggering Illumination with Final Spark didn't add Illumination's AP ratio to the detonation









Nidalee



Nothing to see here.



Let's talk Nidalee.


Nid's a polarizing champion where, when she succeeds, generates more hate posts on forums around the world than most other champions combined. That said, with tank junglers picking up steam, Nidalee's got some very real challenges coming her way. Hard engage has traditionally been one of Nidalee's big weaknesses - when she can't dictate the pace of a fight by wearing down her opponents - so if big, beefy champs are constantly running at her face (and this becomes a trend), we want to see what that world looks like before taking action.









Nocturne



R cooldown down.



For a champion that's not too far off the mark, the biggest pain point for Nocturne players is lacking enough opportunities to impact a game before it's too late, so we've cut the cooldown to give him just that. Don't worry Noc - we got your darkness right here.



R - Paranoia



COOLDOWN 180/140/100 seconds ⇒ 150/125/100 seconds









Quinn



Bugfixes and general improvements to E.



Quinn's problems don't begin and end with Vault, but as one of the most flexible tools in her arsenal she'll often live or die by it. Smoothing out some interactions and fixing some bugs should see her and Valor's synergy in top form for the fighting, and now even resets her basic attack for some high-level Harrier optimization. Look Val, buffs!



E - Vault



newGOT THE RESET Now resets Quinn's basic attack timer upon landing


VALOR, TO ME! Fixed a bug where Harrier was occasionally not applied by Vault


TOO FAR Fixed an issue where Vault could sometimes move Quinn out of her basic attack range when casted on close-range targets


EVASIVE MANUEVERS Vaulting off of an enemy to pass through terrain is now easier









Rammus



Q cost down.



Though Rammus has certainly benefited from Cinderhulk, his mana pool still manages to spin out in the late-game. This should help. OK? OK.



Q - Powerball



COST 70/80/90/100/110 mana ⇒ 60/65/70/75/80 mana









Ryze



Q damage up.



We've all seen this one before. A true terror in toplane, Ryze has become a shadow of his former self - so we're slapping some charge back into Overload to see if we can't inch him back to reasonable levels. Carefully.



Q - Overload



BASE DAMAGE 40/60/80/100/120 magic damage ⇒ 55/75/95/115/135 magic damage









Sejuani



W damage down. R slows less when you fail to land the stun.



One of the scarier opponents in the jungle pre-Cinderhulk, the changes to the jungle in 5.5 benefited no one champion greater than Sejuani. While we're not strictly nerfing her ability to jungle, we're aiming to reduce her damage spike midgame which often comes before opponents can itemize properly, let alone contain her spree of sustained lockdown. Finally, we're putting a real penalty for missing your bolas, as in a lot of cases the Sejuani that managed to miss was rewarded with such a heavy slow that many teams would just get run over anyways.



W - Flail of the Northern Winds



INITIAL DAMAGE 4/6/8/10/12% ⇒ 4/5.5/7/8.5/10% of target's maximum health



R - Glacial Prison



SLOW 90% ⇒ 30%









Singed



E deals max health damage.



Whether he's shaking up the toplane or stirring up a skirmish, every player knows what happens when you mix it up with an unstoppable Singed. That said, when he finds himself unable to dive into the enemy team's deep end, even the Mad Chemist needs a pick-me-up. This should let him flexibly fling fighters out of the fray when the fight's not in his favor.



E - Fling



DAMAGE 80/125/170/215/260 (+0.75 ability power) magic damage ⇒ 50/65/80/95/110 (+0.75 ability power) + (6/6.5/7/7.5/8% of target's maximum health) magic damage









Sion



Q hurts monsters less. E's passthrough damage down.



Primarily thought of as top tier laner, Cinderhulk saw Sion shamble on into the jungle and dominate without breaking a sweat. The changes themselves are simple enough, but underscore an important point - Sion should be a powerful pick for the crowd control and durability he brings to a composition, not necessarily his damage output (especially when building tank).



Q - Decimating Smash



DAMAGE TO MONSTERS 90% ⇒ 80%



E - Roar of the Slayer



PASSTHROUGH DAMAGE BONUS 50% ⇒ 30%









Twitch



Passive damage up.



A pungent late-game threat, Twitch combines damage, subterfuge and foul stenches to put teams on his back...given that you don't exterminate him before he scales up. Even with a weaker early-game than most other marksmen, we're adding some punch back to his poison to encourage and reward the smart trades so necessary to his success.



Passive - Deadly Venom



DAMAGE PER STACK 1/2/3/4/5/6 true damage (at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16) ⇒ 2/3/4/5/6 true damage (at levels 1/5/9/13/17)









Veigar



Passive regen up. Q range up. E stops dashes.



After 5.2's updates, opponents are able to play around Event Horizon well enough that we decided to add something special to make it stand out as an ability. Coupled with some tuning to help his early laning, a master Veigar player can lock mobile enemies in his cage for him to torment without fear of them escaping his tiny clutches.



Passive - Equilibrium



MANA REGEN +1% per 1% missing mana ⇒ +1.5% per 1% missing mana



Q - Baleful Strike



RANGE 850 ⇒ 950



E - Event Horizon



newDO NOT PASS GO Enemy dashes through Event Horizon's walls will stop at them instead









Vel'Koz



In this specific interaction, a Vel'Koz ulting in a bad spot wouldn't be able to click Thresh's Lantern to save himself - instead, needing to cancel using R and then click and usually dying anyways because that takes too long. Clicking now lets you passage to Thresh safely, undoing what may have been a poor decision. (Imagine if taking lantern didn't stop your ult though??)



R - Life Form Disintegration Ray



newKEEP AN EYE OUT Vel'Koz can now cancel his ultimate by taking Thresh's Lantern









Yorick



Feel improvements for Q.



Most of our basic attack resets (that don't come paired with dashes or some other mobility) have a little bit of extra reach to make them easier to connect. Omen of War didn't, so we're hooking him up with some range and a sweet animation to ensure whoever's on the other end will remember Yorick Mori.



Q - Omen of War



newFOR SHOVELRY Yorick now uses his Critical Strike animation when hitting people with Omen of War


RANGE 125 ⇒ 175









Ziggs



Q cost down.



Hoo boy. Ziggs buffs. Long since the poster-child for stalling games and siege stand-stills, this lovable lunatic hasn't been able to keep up his special brand of madness against the top players in midlane for a while. Thanks to the season's changes making mana regeneration weaker, we feel comfortable adding some fuel to the fire and letting him get back to bombarding as usual.



Q - Bouncing Bomb



COST 50/60/70/80/90 mana ⇒ 50/55/60/65/70 mana









Zilean



We're buffing everything.



While we've been digging the future Zilean's update set out for him, we realize that we missed the mark numbers-wise (especially for midlane). These changes are all about enabling him to take risks on making intricate plays and ensuring he's rewarded should he succeed.



General



HEALTH PER LEVEL 71 ⇒ 77



Q - Time Bomb



RATIO 0.8 ability power ⇒ 0.9 ability power


COST 60/70/80/90/100 mana ⇒ 60/65/70/75/80 mana



W - Rewind



COOLDOWN 18/15/12/9/6 seconds ⇒ 14/12/10/8/6 seconds


COST 50 mana ⇒ 35 mana



E - Time Warp



COST 50/55/60/65/70 mana ⇒ 50 mana








Mass Texture Rebalance (Part 9)



We're continuing our comprehensive pass at the game's older character textures. As with previous installments, our goal is to improve parity with newer releases and make sure everybody looks at home on the Rift.


Kayle


  • Base, Battleborn, Judgment, Silver, Unmasked, Viridian


Lee Sin


  • Base, Acolyte, Dragon Fist, Muay Thai, Traditional


Pantheon


  • Base, Full Metal, Myrmidon, Perseus, Ruthless


Rumble


  • Base, Bilgerat, Rumble in the Jungle


Ryze


  • Base, Dark Crystal, Human, Pirate, Professor, Tribal, Triumphant, Uncle, Zombie





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Items







Chalice of Harmony



CHEAPER.



We'll give real context below, promise.


COST 1000 ⇒ 900 (total cost of Athene's and Mikael's unchanged)









Athene's Unholy Grail



More mana regeneration, EVERYWHERE.



The challenge with Athene's Unholy Grail is that it's an item basically designed for passive play. Defensive stats, tons of mana regeneration (and, in previous iterations, mana regen that ramped up the more mana you used), cooldown reduction - you get the deal. Because of this, we're a little reticent to just outright bring this bad boy back onto the scene. That said, there's also (currently) a world where Morellonomicon is the default mana regeneration item, which skews certain stats (healing, health regeneration) in different ways as well. We're trying hard not to make this a patch note about Morellonomicon (too late), but can at least afford to bring some parity between mana regeneration items.


MANA REGEN 50% ⇒ 100%


MANA RESTORE ON KILL/ASSIST 15% ⇒ 30%









Righteous Glory



Whoops.



GLORIOUS STRUCTURES Fixed a bug where you wouldn't get the active movement speed running towards turrets and capture points





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Summoner's Rift






Rift Scuttler



Fixed a bug where the Scuttler's vision radius was much larger than the speed shrine it was intended to cover.



This is a pretty significant range reduction on vision, but when gameplay doesn't match up with actual visuals, something's gotta give. There's an argument to be made that the shrine buff should be increased to 1350 to match the bugged vision, but then you'd be crazy.


VISION RADIUS 1350 ⇒ 525








Base Gates



THE GATES ARE OPEN You can now summon pets, structures, and minions in your team's base gates (i.e. Void Portals, Heimerdinger Turrets, Shaco's Jack-in-the-box)








Jungle XP



Jungle gives more base experience at higher levels.



In terms of early level progression, we intend for junglers to be somewhere between solo lanes and duo lanes - with successful junglers edging more toward solo lane level progression. Right now, however, jungle experience falls off a little too hard, which means junglers have a tougher time keeping up. These seem like small bumps, but we know these kind of changes can have dramatic impacts, so we're proceeding carefully.


LEVELS 1-4 Unchanged


LEVELS 5-7 3% more experience


LEVELS 8-10 6% more experience


LEVELS 11-18 10% more experience








Post-Beta Updates



We've got a few more updates for Summoner's Rift in the wake of the beta's conclusion! In one case the update is actually an un-update - we've noticed the new animated victory/defeat screens have been causing performance issues for some of you, so we're taking them back offline while we fix the problem.


newDRAMATIC EFFECT New champion select music has been added for Summoner's Rift queues!


MORE TEXTURE WORK Adjusted terrain detail in a number of locations


CONSISTENT MESSAGING "Beta" has been removed from the Summoner's Rift map name in various queue/lobby locations


removedCALL IT A TEASER The animated victory/defeat screens have been deactivated while we resolve a performance issue





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Twisted Treeline & Crystal Scar






removed


Luden's Echo



Sorry!



You don't have to think of this as a "farewell," but more of a "I'll see you soon!" ... "With a functional build path!"





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Howling Abyss







Orb of Winter



Streamlining that build path.



Look, if Negatron Cloak is back, we might as well use it.


RECIPE Null-Magic Mantle + Null-Magic Mantle + Rejuvenation Bead + Rejuvenation Bead ⇒ Negatron Cloak + Rejuvenation Bead + Rejuvenation Bead


COMBINE COST 850 ⇒ 990


TOTAL COST 2210 ⇒ 2200





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Player Tooltips






As we've mentioned before, our goal for Player Tooltips is to make them a convenient, accessible point of reference for basic player information. Adding them to Suggested Players just makes sense.


WHAT DO YOU EVEN PLAY Lobby members will now see Player Tooltips when hovering over Suggested Players





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Bugfixes





  • Resolved a crash issue with the Windows 10 technical preview

  • Veigar Bot has learned how to use his new Q - Baleful Strike

  • As mentioned last patch, outer and inner turret damage vs. minions now properly begins scaling at 9 minutes




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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 23:44:29
March 24 2015 23:44 GMT
#2
Misleading title it's only gone on TT and CS...
TranslatorBaa!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 24 2015 23:44 GMT
#3
Jeebus the new Teemo skin teaser is horrifying.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-24 23:46:54
March 24 2015 23:45 GMT
#4
On March 25 2015 08:44 MoonBear wrote:
Jeebus the new Teemo skin teaser is horrifying.

The static hurts my ears.

Looking forward to the Ryze comeback. Hurray for jungler XP buffs!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 24 2015 23:45 GMT
#5
On March 25 2015 08:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Misleading title it's only gone on TT and CS...

Looking for dead things is hard.
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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
March 24 2015 23:46 GMT
#6
PTSD Teemo? I'm not sure how I feel about that. I'm intrigued about the jungle experience changes, especially if they're leaving in the exp penalty for being higher level than the camps themselves.
Trust in Bayes.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 24 2015 23:48 GMT
#7
You can turn off the static with the sound icon in the bottom right.
Also look at the Helmet Bro reference (which is basically a meme/semi-private from Vel'Koz's trailer/splash art) and the date 7 days from now.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 24 2015 23:50 GMT
#8
hey so is top lane doing wolves then b a thing now had someone do it two times today now
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 24 2015 23:50 GMT
#9
On March 25 2015 08:50 FinestHour wrote:
hey so is top lane doing wolves then b a thing now had someone do it two times today now

Welcome to LCS.

It's most popular with Sion obv (because of passive) but other champs like Maokai and Riven can also do it.
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
March 24 2015 23:54 GMT
#10
As someone who hates Top, yay Ryze buff. I need freelo.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 24 2015 23:56 GMT
#11
oh ok
yea i kinda nver watched a single pro game of legend of league ever so im not in with le america meta
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 24 2015 23:57 GMT
#12
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
March 25 2015 00:07 GMT
#13
So ignoring these ryze buffs for a bit. Why not triforce ryze? It is what he was originally intended to be used for. And his kit does lead naturally to use the early power of a sheen as well as the mana on many tanky items. You need about 300 AP to make Lichbane be an equivalent damage boost (minus Pen) and that means you can build catalyst into Righteus Glory instead of Rod(or hell, get both).

It just seems like Rod/Glory, Triforce, Heart would make one hell of a sticky tanky ryze with a lot better consistent damage due to the Triforce procs than you would likely get from AP/Pen etc
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 25 2015 00:14 GMT
#14
On March 25 2015 08:50 FinestHour wrote:
hey so is top lane doing wolves then b a thing now had someone do it two times today now


Starting at a camp as top has been a thing for quite a while now. Quite a few champions can do it.
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orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
March 25 2015 00:17 GMT
#15
Ziggs buff and athene buff, why? Right now it's already super hard to close game.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 25 2015 00:19 GMT
#16
On March 25 2015 09:07 Goumindong wrote:
So ignoring these ryze buffs for a bit. Why not triforce ryze? It is what he was originally intended to be used for. And his kit does lead naturally to use the early power of a sheen as well as the mana on many tanky items. You need about 300 AP to make Lichbane be an equivalent damage boost (minus Pen) and that means you can build catalyst into Righteus Glory instead of Rod(or hell, get both).

It just seems like Rod/Glory, Triforce, Heart would make one hell of a sticky tanky ryze with a lot better consistent damage due to the Triforce procs than you would likely get from AP/Pen etc


Nobody's ever going to get triforce over seraph's. You need seraph's, RoA, frozen heart and boots. At that point, you'll either need void staff because people will have MR, or you'll need some MR yourself. There's just no room for triforce.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-25 00:20:05
March 25 2015 00:19 GMT
#17
On March 25 2015 09:17 orzeu wrote:
Ziggs buff and athene buff, why? Right now it's already super hard to close game.


Again, pretty sure you're the only one who thinks that. Games are pretty easy to close these days since you -have- to leave base to contest Dragon and Baron. Baron completely nullifies AOE mage stall.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 25 2015 00:19 GMT
#18
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Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
March 25 2015 00:25 GMT
#19
On March 25 2015 09:19 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 09:07 Goumindong wrote:
So ignoring these ryze buffs for a bit. Why not triforce ryze? It is what he was originally intended to be used for. And his kit does lead naturally to use the early power of a sheen as well as the mana on many tanky items. You need about 300 AP to make Lichbane be an equivalent damage boost (minus Pen) and that means you can build catalyst into Righteus Glory instead of Rod(or hell, get both).

It just seems like Rod/Glory, Triforce, Heart would make one hell of a sticky tanky ryze with a lot better consistent damage due to the Triforce procs than you would likely get from AP/Pen etc


Nobody's ever going to get triforce over seraph's. You need seraph's, RoA, frozen heart and boots. At that point, you'll either need void staff because people will have MR, or you'll need some MR yourself. There's just no room for triforce.


However, getting RG over RoA could be viable, and I can see the movespeed burst being really good on Ryze. Might need to test that real quick
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remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
March 25 2015 00:25 GMT
#20
Katarina whyyyyyy
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