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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On March 25 2015 09:19 JimmiC wrote: I don't know that it is that big a advantage because you have used your tele and the other guy gets a bit of a free farm. You'll generally miss 3 minions and arrive in lane at level 2, so champions like Sion or Riven can bully their opponent. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 25 2015 09:19 GolemMadness wrote: Nobody's ever going to get triforce over seraph's. You need seraph's, RoA, frozen heart and boots. At that point, you'll either need void staff because people will have MR, or you'll need some MR yourself. There's just no room for triforce. Sure, but Seraphs takes a long time to charge and leaves you with a big power trough when you're still charging tear. Especially if you want to get RoA charged in any decent time. Sheen/Triforce gives nearly as much damage as Seraphs without the weak build up*. Plus it gives other nice stats like move speed/health etc which help you stick to enemies and continue to do damage. *No, really. Seraphs will add about 199 damage on a QWE (one bounce, level 18, fully stacked rod, no other mana) from AP and 110 from mana = 310. Triforce adds 40.5 from AP, 30 from AD (ignoring crit chance), 27.5 from mana and 212 from the proc= 310. (assuming one proc per rotation, if you get more triforce pulls way ahead) | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On March 25 2015 09:35 Goumindong wrote: Sure, but Seraphs takes a long time to charge and leaves you with a big power trough when you're still charging tear. Especially if you want to get RoA charged in any decent time. Sheen/Triforce gives nearly as much damage as Seraphs without the weak build up*. Plus it gives other nice stats like move speed/health etc which help you stick to enemies and continue to do damage. *No, really. Seraphs will add about 199 damage on a QWE (one bounce, level 18, fully stacked rod, no other mana) from AP and 110 from mana = 310. Triforce adds 40.5 from AP, 30 from AD (ignoring crit chance), 27.5 from mana and 212 from the proc= 310. (assuming one proc per rotation, if you get more triforce pulls way ahead) Assuming you go with Mana Crystal + pots at start for Ryze top, back when you can for Tear and TP back to top lane (I think you get Tear at/around 4:30 on Ryze with perfect CS?) and spend the next 5-10 minutes in top lane using Q and E to farm/harass, you get Seraph to transform at around the 23 minute mark, which is also around the time his RoA begins to be done stacking (assuming you go Tear + RoA first), so he hits a huge power spike at that point and turns into a bruiser-y front line mage. There's also the issue that for Ryze you tend to spam your spells to maximize damage (this assumes you pop R first and start spamming WEQ as much as you can) and can't reasonably weave in AAs to get the Sheen passive proc to go off. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Seraph's shield beats Triforce's 250 HP any day once it's stacked too. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I would have liked the name "Patch 5.6: Veigar still dead." | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
About Ryze, I can't see weaving in autoattacks consistently, particularly in fights. Maybe if I really wanted to bully a lane hard. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On March 25 2015 09:25 remedium wrote: Katarina whyyyyyy not really an issue but just further indicates how riot always changes the wrong things on her | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On March 25 2015 10:19 Frolossus wrote: not really an issue but just further indicates how riot always changes the wrong things on her I think they want people who hate her to think she's nerfed more than actually nerf her more, not unlike how they "fixed" division protection when in reality it's still near impossible | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On March 25 2015 09:44 Alaric wrote: At level 18 your rotation isn't going to be QWE if you play Ryze correctly. Also wth is the point of talking level 18 stuff if you're advocating triforce for the 1st item timing? Seraph's shield beats Triforce's 250 HP any day once it's stacked too. I used 18 to show how much damage seraphs caps out at. It gains damage relative to levels/items slower than triforce. And yes, at level 18 your rotation isn't going to be QWE. But similarly you're also not likely to get only 1 auto attack off and the longer you extend your rotation to more likely it is that you're going to get an increasing number of triforce proc's off per rotation. | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 25 2015 11:46 MidnightGladius wrote: Who needs a protect-the-Kog comp when you can have a protect-the-Kog-protecting-the-minion comp? It's such a shame that Lulu can't shield minions This is when Karma mid and Soraka support with Nunu jungle comp rears its ugly head. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On March 25 2015 11:46 MidnightGladius wrote: Who needs a protect-the-Kog comp when you can have a protect-the-Kog-protecting-the-minion comp? It's such a shame that Lulu can't shield minions Thats why you run Karma | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On March 25 2015 09:17 orzeu wrote: Ziggs buff and athene buff, why? Right now it's already super hard to close game. New Baron buff makes Ziggs manageable. Banner of command is still just 2 autos from an ADC. Imo ohmwrecker's better. Ryze's Q was nerfed in patch 1.9 from a point higher than it is now: Base magic damage decreased to 40/60/80/100/120 from 60/85/110/135/160. leagueoflegends.wikia.com Current: BASE DAMAGE 40/60/80/100/120 magic damage ⇒ 55/75/95/115/135 magic damage I don't really like Peanut head though. I feel he's too boring to play in competitive since most of the skill in Ryze doesn't come from mechanics but rather game knowledge. One of the scarier opponents in the jungle pre-Cinderhulk, the changes to the jungle in 5.5 benefited no one champion greater than Sejuani. While we're not strictly nerfing her ability to jungle, we're aiming to reduce her damage spike midgame which often comes before opponents can itemize properly, let alone contain her spree of sustained lockdown. Finally, we're putting a real penalty for missing your bolas, as in a lot of cases the Sejuani that managed to miss was rewarded with such a heavy slow that many teams would just get run over anyways. I'm pretty sure slower clearing champs like Voli gained more from the jungle but Sejuani just happened to already have a good win rate compared to all the other tank junglers in 5.4. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
EDIT: Having learned that Karma's W procs her passive multiple times, I'm now tempted to try W-max top Karma to just ruin some poor melee's day. | ||
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