[M][N] Medic Mafia

On February 18 2018 11:05 Holyflare wrote:
Idk it looks extremely town favoured to me unless the mafia medic works differently.

On February 18 2018 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure how you break this game but if you can, i'd like to hear how?

On February 19 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Idk why? You'd still have to guess 2 blues and hit with both rbs to prevent the vigi shot.

I think the odd - even suggestion you made makes the game random fest.

On February 19 2018 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem with the odd-even suggestion imo is that the best play is to just not use medics at all (since youre more likely to get fucked by mafia medic in case you try to coordinate something -- or town medic(s) if you don't coordinate) until mafia medic is dead, and imo it kinda defeats the idea of the game.

I don't really understand how having a (coordinated) "unlimited shot vigi" is imba, because it really isn't. It is just a night lynch which you can decide to use or not to use. If you lynch mafia people you win, if not, you lose, just like in normal lynches. Like if you have a vigilante in the game does it make the vigi role imba that townies can say who they want the vigilante to kill? It doesn't.

On February 20 2018 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wait so
instead of potentially reducing town KP you want to give every faction much KP.
well whatever. :D

On February 20 2018 01:30 Holyflare wrote:


You can't just make up roles.

On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.

I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.

I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town

On March 06 2018 15:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI

On March 06 2018 15:56 AMG wrote:


I'm diabetic, are you trying to kill me!!

On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?

On March 06 2018 16:04 Tubesock wrote:


What don't you like? I like the idea of having a second medic vote, so that's the singular reason I gave him town points.

I'm terrible at reading tone, lol so am I right in saying you have a tone read on him?

On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote:

Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation.

Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later.

And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation.

On March 06 2018 08:34 Damdred wrote:
Welcome town Fecalfeast, and maybe so moosydoosy. But do you think we should have a secondary vote and force the medics to act as a vig shot every night for our second kill?

On March 06 2018 16:12 Tubesock wrote:


You're not wrong. I guess I'm giving Damdy slack since I think the only person who's done anything was n00bking. I don't count HF due to NAIness of what he did.

On March 06 2018 16:16 Holyflare wrote:
What is this op without filters

On March 06 2018 16:17 n00bKing wrote:

Eh, maybe. A true "scumslip" like that is pretty darn rare though. I'd be more interested in hearing whether anyone with prior history with Tubesock in games thinks its unusual for him to immediately take the claim at face value. Him "making nice" with the first person to claim medic may or may not be alignment-indicative for someone, depending on their personality. Anybody know him?

On March 06 2018 16:24 Holyflare wrote:
Tubesock has called me medic!

Not just town or mafia. Medic. Let that sink in.

##vote tubesock

On March 06 2018 16:27 n00bKing wrote:

I feel like this would be more significant if he had actually come back, and said some things that didn't contribute anything worthwhile. As it stands now, he just...hasn't been back. So maybe you'll get what you want from him when he returns. Unless Damdred is a "constantly checking the game" type of guy, I don't really see anything to hate on.

His post that said "Well this will be my last game for awhile as I don't think its fair to further strain my activity level with my new job" was made before roles went out. It offers him cover to fake being afk if he drew scum in this game, but I don't know if there's anything we can do about it. If that's what happened, then it just...worked out nice for him. lol

On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:


Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything.

On March 06 2018 16:32 n00bKing wrote:

By all means, talk reads. But do you have anything to add to why your attitude toward the Day 1 mass claim is "no"? I think a "yes" or "no" becomes a lot more valuable when someone explains their reasoning behind it.

On March 06 2018 16:36 Holyflare wrote:


A town thought process: hf claimed medic but it means absolutely nothing.

A mafia though process: hf claimed medic shit let's make a post about it since it's a main topic. Oh, he's town so telling the truth based on what he said pre-game. Oh, better throw in a hedge and call him mafia medic though.

Doesn't look right to me.

On March 06 2018 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
Mass claiming is dumb until late game. One medic claiming and coordinating kills through reads and other people is anti-dumb.

Enough about mass claiming.

On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?

On March 06 2018 16:51 Holyflare wrote:


When did he do that?

On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:


I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny.

On March 06 2018 18:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:

whaaaaaaaa

On March 06 2018 18:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:

lol you're not wrong. It is 4-5 AM here. I just couldn't resist throwing a wrench in your thoughts :D

btw how likely do you think Tubesock is mafia here compared to Damdred?

On March 06 2018 18:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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Hm, fair enough

On March 06 2018 18:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I absolutely detest your scum read on Damdred which makes me think you're scum but at the same time your thought process on Tubesock is the exact same as mine which makes me conflicted. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On March 07 2018 03:33 Fecalfeast wrote:

Was waiting for a truck to back up and checked the thread

On March 07 2018 03:50 Damdred wrote:
lol yeah thats not exactly waht I meant FF XD, why do you like him for scum.

Besides that I might disagree tina about DF slightly.

On March 07 2018 04:34 n00bKing wrote:

Can you explain why silent Vivax/Kelsier is more alignment-indicative than silent chaoser?

On March 07 2018 04:59 darthfoley wrote:


Why do you say this but then one post later claim that n00bking is the only unlynchable player at this point. Surely "smexiest" can be read to = town. So why don't you feel similarly about AMG?

On March 07 2018 05:01 n00bKing wrote:
Thanks for those answers, rsoul.

HF's "good chat" post makes me uneasy. Should it not? You mentioned him as townpile after that post, so I'm assuming it didn't bother you. But since the time that he tried to shut down discussion of a D1 mass claim, he didn't really put forth anything else to discuss in its place. He's barely talked about anything but Tubesock. I'm guessing "good chat" means he's satisfied with the direction of the thread/voting at this stage, but that could be good for Town or bad for Town. lol

@Holyflare: No follow-up questions for your vote target? No reactions to anything else that's been said about your vote target in the meantime? No comments on anything else that's going on? (admittedly, not much else is going on...)

@Damdred: Have any strong impressions on HF? (just with regard to his allegiance, not with regard to whether he is/isn't "a medic" for one side or the other)

On March 07 2018 05:10 rsoultin wrote:


Pardon?

On March 07 2018 05:14 darthfoley wrote:


You made a post about how n00bking is 10000% not in your lynch pool ATM. But you seem to be heavily town reading AMG too, so I'm just confused why he wasn't part of this unlynchable pool. It's a minor inconsistency that I'm just confused about

On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote:
Okay i've caught up.

AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"

Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense.

On March 07 2018 05:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
So why am I scum

On March 07 2018 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would sheep a rsoultin wagon

On March 07 2018 05:30 Fecalfeast wrote:
Humph so your lynch pool is just null ppl and afks yet you still call it a lynch pool?

On March 07 2018 05:33 n00bKing wrote:

You mf'ers are not lynching rsoul while there's 3 people who haven't even posted yet, and while Tubesock's thread activity went like this:

Tubesock: *post, post, post, post*
n00b: *votes against Tubesock*
Tubesock: *POOF*

On March 07 2018 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
So your scumreads became townreads which leads you to believe the only people with a chance of flipping scum are afks and low content people. You think prp is more town than me for doing whatever he wants but from.where I stand it looks like prp fits perfectly into your lynch list or did you explain a concrete reason for towning prp

On March 07 2018 05:38 rsoultin wrote:


I did. I think you were even here for it.

On March 07 2018 05:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

It's not even necessarily reads because you keep changing your reads. Whenever someone applies the slightest bit of pressure on you or they say they agree with you, you immediately start granting them cookies.

Look at how she flips her read on darthfoley super fast for no reason.

First she scumreads him for obviously weak reasons



Then darthfoley questions rsoultin a little bit which she responds to:

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Then she points out this in darthfoley's post



But then goes right to townreading him?



It doesn't feel like rsoultin's trying to actively hunt scum. Every time she does and someone puts pressure on her or points out how weak her scum reads are she vacillates immediately and goes back to the same low activity/afk lynch pool.

On March 07 2018 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@rsoultin, would you rather lynch tube or anyone in your afk/low activity pool? Who would your first pick be and who would your second pick be?

On March 07 2018 05:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
I feel like I'm doing what i want transparently isnwhat i mean.

On March 07 2018 05:42 n00bKing wrote:

Your prior thoughts on HF sounded like you were townleaning him. So why might you be open to lynching him before the lynchpool? Do you agree with whoever it was that said HF is the scum player who would be most likely to overcome the town-favored setup? Or...what? I don't get this.

(maybe you just meant HF "first" before prp and not "first" before everyone?)

On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on.

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On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:

meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin.

On March 07 2018 02:56 Damdred wrote:
It was more boring then I originally thought it would be, in that regard i'm slightly...disappointed. But Rsoultin is more than likely town, perhaps hard town in my mind at present. The way she read me seemed like a way she would do in town, and honestly even though I am not quite the player I was she would still like to interact with me then piling on early, also tone is pretty good and not pestering HF to get him to tilt is also a point in her favor.

Never doubt this read my friends.

Also AMG and Moosey are more than likely town in this situation. Both seem open, inquisitive and a good tone. Also Moosey I believe town read me early which I liked! (I like it when people come up with interesting reasons to townread someone as pro town ^_-, even if I could fake it as scum).

I actually don't like FF at this point so far, his tone seemed a bit off earlier and sort of like he was just trying to post to post a bit? But it was still early and its just a lean.

Tube I am not sure of, this slip I don't really buy and don't want to lynch him for that so far ehhhh.

On March 07 2018 05:06 darthfoley wrote:


I felt bad just peacing without saying anything because Moosy was like "yayyy another person exists!" but at the time I didn't feel like engaging with the thread at all. Personal reasons that I won't get into. I see where you're coming from though

On March 07 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:


He wouldn't know you were medic even if he were mafia. You're making this sound like TMI when it just isn't. There are 3 town medics???

On March 07 2018 07:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
So in conclusion, I think I would vote either rsoultin or the person rsoultin is voting, vivax, because vivax afks as scum and I'd bus him asap if he was on my team.

Inb4 rsoultin says she doesn't bus

On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,

Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?

I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows.

On March 07 2018 17:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh shit it's a wild rsoultin

On March 07 2018 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Actually df I've reread your filter and I think you're below prplhz instead. Lots of holes and pointlessness imo.

On March 07 2018 18:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

This is a good question. The thing is, he still hasn't addressed what I've said about you so I still don't know what he thinks about it or if he's revised his thoughts on you. So who knows if his world view is actually similar to mine or not. This is also my way of baiting him to contribute more so I can also judge him more accurately since he has contributed very little. While tonally he's town for me there's not much substance to actually go off of.

This is also something I normally do in general unless I'm trolling and voting for myself. I use someone more experienced(?) I guess is the word to ping my thoughts off of.

On March 07 2018 18:40 n00bKing wrote:

Well, I guess Tubesock either left or "left" before he could answer. But I'm off to bed, so if anyone sees Tubesock tomorrow before I've made it back to the thread, please remind him of this question.

Because we know that when he returned to the thread, it was without scumreads, and then he said this to Moosy:

And the answer to those questions is...yes. But it didn't look to me like he actually *did* it, so check on his progress tomorrow. The more uncertainty there is about who will be the D1 lynch, the more value there is in getting Tubesock's answer about who he believes it *should* be. So the sooner it happens, the better.

On March 07 2018 18:43 Holyflare wrote:


Vivax can absolutely afk as any alignment. Like I said. It's bad to even push the theory he's mafia because of it.

On March 07 2018 18:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Meh. I'm actually leaning towards thinking I was wrong and you're town rsoultin I just hate to admit it. Suspicions are suspicions though so I'm still keeping my eye on you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On March 07 2018 18:47 Holyflare wrote:
Forever ago? I've lynched him as town for those exact same reasons. Also this tube shit is tedious as fuck.

On March 07 2018 19:14 rsoultin wrote:

I mean I don't disagree that anyone can be afk as town obviously.

Can you clarify your list for me? Because I read it as a lynch order with afks being last, which implies townreads on everyone else? And that obviously doesn't make sense.

And Id still like to know which holes you're referring to regarding df.

On March 07 2018 19:34 Holyflare wrote:
it's a descending town order with afks being in a different plane of existence

On March 07 2018 19:51 AMG wrote:
Whats so hard to understand about his list? Top to bottom in order of towniess. Towns at the top, scum at the bottom. AFK's hes not even going to consider because by definition of being AFK's they haven't even posted yet

On March 07 2018 19:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, it's really not too complex lol.

On March 07 2018 20:26 Vivax wrote:
The "HF fakeclaims as town and mafia" endless discussion between tube and noob annoys me but at least makes noob appear townie cause he's so stubborn about that little wording detail. One more out of the way for today.



Handing cookies to the wrong people? Why did he get a cookie?



Is this a townread? Cause I just wrote up the same and it makes me townread him.

I don't understand this whole thingy about tubesock calling HF medic. Seems like he's being misrepped since he also clarified it sufficiently in my opinion. It does make noobking come out as townie but why is tubesock mafia for any of this?

The synopsis was that HF can fakeclaim mafia as town or medic where did tubesock mean it in any other way, poor wording excluded?

On March 07 2018 21:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hm, interesting stuff Vivax. Anything else you want to share?

Also this is actually NAI and totally game unrelated but ahhhhh


Never change TL mafia never change. What would a game of Mafia with rsoultin be like without her whining about people refusing to help her out.

On March 08 2018 04:30 n00bKing wrote:

Lots of bad reasoning here, imo. Lynching an afk player at the end of D1 is not the same as chucking the cycle away. All of the D1 discussion and voting still happened (and analysis of it can still have value) even if you settle on a player who hasn't posted, at the end The only thing that would marginalize the value of the D1 discussion is if everyone knew throughout the phase that ultimately an afk player will be lynched. That definitely has not been the case in this game. Additionally, for a player who isn't posting to flip scum in this game may not be "just dumb ass luck." While rsoul said that no-showing the game thread was more scum-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser, I think no-showing the game thread can be scum-indicative in THIS game, for ANY player, regardless of that player's personal history, given the fact that so much of the pre-game discussion revolved around the idea that the setup is heavily town-favored. Under those conditions, any player who pulled a scum role could be more likely to no-show the main thread than they ordinarily would be.

Speaking of rsoul's comment that no-showing the thread is more alignment-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser...if that's how she felt, then after HF says Vivax is actually prone to going afk as either alignment, and Vixax makes an appearance, and rsoul takes her vote off of Vivax, I don't know why she wouldn't just go to the next stop, and put the vote on Kelsier. How is that not the natural next step in the progression/thought process? And it's not like as if she's even passing over that logical next step in favor of some other logical vote. She's passing over the logical next step in favor of just not voting. When she asked Moosy who her scummates would be and I said that one of them would almost have to be Kelsier or chaoser, I was at least half-joking, and maybe more like 90% joking. But everything that's happened since then has sure followed that script, so if one of those players eventually flips red, I think she would need additional scrutiny.

Based on the current vote count, I'm gonna go read the DF filter. Back soon.

On March 08 2018 04:55 darthfoley wrote:


I don't even know what this means. I obviously care what you replied, but you didn't explain shit and I wasn't in the mood to try and get it out of you because I didn't feel like being ignored a la rsoultin.



I'm sorry your sarcasm senses weren't tingling

Regarding to "not alluding to why they are mafia" I think this post alludes pretty obviously

On March 08 2018 06:12 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even know what your last post actually is. Is it a scum read or a town read? It's the first third contradicting what I said, the next third saying he's doing scummy things and the last third saying he's not mafia because he does scummy things?

On March 08 2018 06:21 n00bKing wrote:

1) You were here when you unvoted Vivax. If you had no better place to put the vote than the next no-show in the progression (Kelsier) then that's where it should have gone. If you did have a better place to put the vote (like a new scumread) then it should have gone there instead. Leaving yourself as a non-voter just looks like "Kelsier is where my vote was logically supposed to go next, but...I don't wanna."
2) Yet you voted against Vivax, and did NOT vote against HF.
3) Then you could have put your vote BACK on Vivax before leaving, instead of just threatening him about how you were tempted to. I don't get people's reluctance to just place a damn vote, but there's too much of it going in for me to label it as a scum-indicator.

Anyway, assuming we both survive the lynch, this discussion can wait til the Night Phase. It isn't something that needs to be occupying space in the thread while we're less than 2 hours from the lynch. And I won't get bug-eyed over any of it unless one of Kelsier/chaoser flips Red anyway.

On March 08 2018 06:30 Vivax wrote:
Rsoultin, did you take a look at DF in the meantime?

Reading through moosy I noticed he pointed out how you had DF on the radar for his entrance but I don't see much investigation into him afterwards even now that he's been in the spotlight for a while (hopefully I didn't miss anything).

To answer your previous question regarding my reads on you and Moosy:

I ruled you out based on tone and amount of content when I started playing and skimmed a bit. You bossing around the thread and Moosys general involvedness.

Just some heuristic early townreads to get started and reduce the pool of peeps I'm looking into. Those are superficial reads so prone to change as the game goes on.

On March 08 2018 07:13 darthfoley wrote:


I disagree with you about AMG and I think Tubesock is a decent lynch and the points against him have been hashed out already. I'm not sure what you expect of me?

I think FeFe/prplhz/Tubesock are good lynches. I prefer FeFe or prplhz over Tubesock, but Tubesock is fine.

Don't lecture me about interest when you magically come into the thread as a wagon forms on you and have a filter 1/4 of mine

On March 08 2018 07:17 darthfoley wrote:
##unvote

##Vote: prplhz

On March 08 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote:


A loveless post.

This dude and this dude are town atm.
I think this dude is kinda townie right now actually, for once [are you sure you didn't forget to add anything, df]
Maybe this dudess is is town too because I agree with her about that dude.

Lynch these three dudes for the time being. Here's an explanation for one of them: I didn't like that he didn't post both read and reasons in one post [which could be said for AMG].

Peace out.

On March 08 2018 07:28 Vivax wrote:

##Unvote
##Vote: Noobking

Cause he still hasn't explained how the hell he goes from summing up reasons for voting prpl, then voting Kelsier instead when tubesock isn't happening.

On March 08 2018 07:41 Vivax wrote:


Well the explanation isn't coming today either, but in my opinion what he did is serious bs. Serious scummy BS.
I find his filter pretty hard to follow and will probably reserve an hour or so tomorrow reading it as he wasn't spare with words.

Currently just juggling the question: prplhz or df if noobking isn't happening for what he did.

On March 08 2018 07:48 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count

darthfoley (2): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Vivax
prplhz (2): AMG, Fecalfeast (x), darthfoley
Tubesock (2): Holyflare (x), n00bking (x), AMG (x), MoosyDoosy, rsoultin
MoosyDoosy (1): Tubesock
Fecalfeast (0): darthfoley (x), rsoultin (x)
KelsierSC (1): n00bking
n00bking (1): Vivax
Damdred (0): rsoultin (x)
Vivax (0): rsoultin (x), Fecalfeast (x)

Not Voting (4): chaoser, prplhz, Damdred, KelsierSC

On March 08 2018 07:52 Vivax wrote:


Hard to find an answer to that within 10 minutes. Right off the bat there is no reason not to lynch tube that comes to mind. I'd have kept him over prpl for D1. But since prpl isn't voting, might as well vote TS.

The vote doesn't sit too right with me after arguing lots of the day about all his qualms with AMG and noobking, but what alternative do I have?

Literally the only reason I have is the lack of scumhunting, but it's hard to tell if it's cause he was pushed into the defensive or cause he's mafia.

meh

##Unvote
##Vote: Tubesock

On March 08 2018 07:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Just a second too late rsoultin :D

On March 08 2018 07:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Want to elaborate on the doubts night phase?

On March 08 2018 07:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Hm. Either this game is really easy or something else is going on.

On March 08 2018 08:03 darthfoley wrote:
Meh I thought we got him considering he was lurking at deadline

On March 08 2018 07:16 AMG wrote:


I'm a single parent that works. Activity will not be consistent. And when I return to the thread with a point to make, only to see someone has already said it, I see no need to repeat what I'm saying.

And if you can't follow along with my thought process on why I've stepped away from my tubesock read, and, i was being nice about it up until this point, I'll absolutely spell it out for you: he's playing too stupid for me to expect logical and sensible responses and play from and I've gleaned that from our most recent conversation. Therefore I wont be calling him scum for not living up to the expectations that I have of him, I'm going to call him dumb town and move on to discussing other players.

On March 08 2018 08:12 Vivax wrote:


What happened to your statement that df is n1 kill though

On March 08 2018 08:20 Vivax wrote:
In this case it might be smart to decide who gets vigged tonight. Assuming that df is town, we can decide that he can heal someone undisclosed. While town can direct the other two medics to kill someone voting or something.

As for HFs claim, I'll assume it can be true but doesn't have to.

On March 08 2018 14:33 n00bKing wrote:

There were arguments against him that I didn't find compelling either, obviously. But "ignoring the claim" is generous, because in a vacuum, it actually makes him more likely to be scum than if he'd not said it.

On March 08 2018 16:45 Holyflare wrote:
I'm still healing df with the other 2 medics.

On March 08 2018 16:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Vivax said some interesting things and Tubesock's flip is making me redraw my town list. I am not townreading prp and I don't think I've said that? Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to ask with your last question. rn the only greens I'm actually feeling are vivax and you. I need to look into noobking, AMG, holy, and darthfoley again and the whole start of the tubesock shit.

On March 08 2018 17:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I've looked through your filter at least 10 times at this point. Also as the game's gone on your thought process has become a lot more like mine. As for wagons and such, it's why I said I need to look again at the specific people that I listed.

On March 08 2018 08:56 AMG wrote:


I'm not quite sure what you're asking me to do here?

I don't know how I can further illustrate my thought process more than what i've already put into the thread without just repeating myself.

I know what it feels like when I've latched onto a scum, tubesock didn't feel like that, he felt like incoherent town.

You're welcome to think my reads are boring, I disagree, I was once upon a time known for making reads that fly in the face of thread sentiment (see tubesock read) and I do not apologize for that.

On March 08 2018 17:37 Alakaslam wrote:
Only to sleep I work tomorrow holy shit that was a wait now I will be all antsy at work and no one will know why

On March 08 2018 17:36 Holyflare wrote:


You and I are reading different games then. He asks you a question about an irrelevant inconsistency. What does be gain from knowing you town read both? If you were mafia why does this inconsistency occur etc. It's irrelevant. Before you even answer he's throwing you a town read for thought process on tube. Then when you throw him a town read he buddies you and says that's what he'd expect. The town read wasn't even big or good from you to him. Its an overblown reactionary reason to call you town.

On March 08 2018 18:15 KelsierSC wrote:
hi guys, looking forward to playing this one. when do we start?

On March 08 2018 18:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

tonally amg is very appealingly town wise. It's like if you took holyflare and removed all of holyflare's coarseness.

On March 08 2018 18:17 KelsierSC wrote:


can we calm down a little bit?

I will read through now

On March 08 2018 18:29 Holyflare wrote:
No?? How is it meta to say all he has done this game is question things with no follow up and just ask a question to his town read?

On March 08 2018 19:04 AMG wrote:


Why do I only get to have one reason to town read someone?

Tube came back, did not do what I was expecting a scum Tube to do, and then continued to talk the same brand of nonsense he was before he disappeared. I got fed up with trying to have an actual conversation with him and realised that this isn't something you can fake as scum, ergo town and I was done speaking with him.


Now lets discuss how I scum hunt since you haven't seen the pattern. I see something off. I ping them with a (occasionally obnoxious) statement. They answer, that either satisfies me and I keep walking or I dig until I get a reaction i'm satisfied with. I was unable to finish that with prplhz since he never bloody came back. My reads are much more accurate through direct interaction, as opposed to observation, where I am notoriously shit (see the last 2-3 obs threads).

On March 08 2018 20:48 Holyflare wrote:
Amg
Moosy
Vivax
---
Noob
Rsoultin
---
Damdred - null
Fecalfeast - have read 0 things
Alakaslam
KelsierSC
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Prplhz
Darthfoley

Damdred and below is lynchable.

On March 08 2018 20:50 rsoultin wrote:

And amg is town because?

On March 08 2018 20:53 Holyflare wrote:
I've liked his responses in a way that makes me feel he's towny? Couldn't really care if he's only said little things on town reads because he's said them before other people and at times when I've been thinking them. Such as the noob town read at the start. Ignore the tube thing because that's an anomaly.

On March 08 2018 20:56 AMG wrote:


No I'm just getting damn sick of repeating myself.

If you can't follow along with my thought processes on those above posts then.. well I give up ?

On March 08 2018 21:07 Holyflare wrote:
I also really dislike your post on amg and think it's extreme hypocrisy.

You base half of it saying his prplhz read is weak when it's not. Prplhz invented a sentence that never happened.



You are for some reason focused on the word people and not the entire sentence about him making excuses. Amg simply says he hasn't made excuses and he only scum reads one person. So in all honesty you've extrapolated one argument of two and tried to push that.

Furthermore, you ride this df is town read forever but when he tries to "correct" me that he had in fact made a scum read on prplhz in a post that you yourself commented on (!) you mention nothing.



Did you know this was a darthfoley scum read? It sure is fleshed out and puts a firm stance on prplhz being mafia.

Why have you only picked up amg for this stance on prplhz and not like 5 other players. Especially df who has no concrete scum read on anyone in this entire game.

On March 09 2018 01:24 Holyflare wrote:


Yes but where is Amg's excuse to join the prplhz wagon? I also think the plural of it is a lazy read and not a typo.

On March 09 2018 03:51 AMG wrote:


He says that my tubesock push is something he would normally like, and then be wrong on.

And then says I'm making up reasons to be on that wagon..

That strikes me as logically unsound and not what I would consider a natural thought process.

So I'm asking back at him which is it? Is this something you would normally like, and find my argument logically sound, or am I making up excuses to be on the wagon, and you do not agree with the argument I put forward to be on the wagon. Which is it? Because it can't bloody be both.

And why is he going against his better judgement on this case. If this is something he normally likes, but chooses to not like this time.. what's different this time?

I also don't like how he generalized my play to say im scumreading 'people', like I was doing it to multiple people, when I had exactly one scum read and one town read in the thread at that point. It's disingenuous.

On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote:
My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though.
What's the alternative though.

On March 09 2018 04:33 darthfoley wrote:


I actually have the same fear. Idk, vigi'ing him at least takes away an easy lynchbait target away from mafia into the next phase. I would also be down to medic vigi on FecalFeast, but nobody else seems to give a shit about him.

On March 09 2018 04:50 rsoultin wrote:

Kelsier. I'm pretty okay with a Kelsier flip the later it gets.

On March 09 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Can I just sneak a pass N1 and that way I can read and give you some good shit.

The alternative is shitposting some bullshit after a quick read, which I will probably realise is bad , contradict myself and then become easy lynch bait.

On March 09 2018 05:55 darthfoley wrote:
Fact that no one is even trying to divert medicvig off of prplhz implies he's town. Meh

On March 09 2018 08:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
Am I the only.one not surprised hf was faking

On March 09 2018 08:04 rsoultin wrote:
I'm wondering if it may not be best to just mass claim with a dead RBer? Though I'm not 100% certain that's wise before a scum medic flip.