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On March 10 2018 08:59 Fecalfeast wrote:
Imo unless we get a fifth medic claim we should ignore medic claim people because scum is basically forced to narrow one of 2 cells with nks.
Or was that the plan all along
Well we can't get a 5th medic claim now because Koshi made sure we wouldn't. Like, any scum team (even one with a Kelsier who isn't paying very good attention) would probably figure out that they can't both fakeclaim medic, and that exactly (and only) one of them should claim medic. But if there was even a ONE percent chance that Kelsier screws up and makes the 4th medic claim (which would have made 5 once I got here) then we should have given him the chance to make that mistake. Because then we would just kill all the medics and it would be mathematically impossible for scum to win. Koshi laid out how killing all the non-medics will now make it *almost* impossible for scum to win (we'd have to make wrong choices over and over) but he outright eliminated the chance that we could win for free. Now THAT is what "too scummy to be scum" ACTUALLY looks like, because Koshi made THE most Anti-Town post of the entire game. I have no interest in lynching him today, though we should probably try to prod him to participate more, so that we'll have more to look at from him if we don't nail scum right away, and need to consider him as a target by PoE.
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Canada11355 Posts
On March 10 2018 09:31 rsoultin wrote:
Actually, last post before bed, I'm a dumbbell. It would be more interesting to see how scum plays around the medic pool. We should probably focus on non-medic claims first in general.
That's what iiiiiii saiiiddd
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On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain.
Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol
There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case. Dinner time now, though.
For the moment,
##Vote: KelsierSC
Do stuff.
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On March 09 2018 18:10 rsoultin wrote:
Apparently pre-game the mass claim idea was one you favored. Now you don't. I have one good explanation for that and it fits with an AMG night kill over one of you, me, and viva.
explain this rsoul?
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Otherwise I think you're tunneling on hf a bit. I doubt this game is super complicated and you're probs just tinfoiling.
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meh not much to get from noobking's last couple posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. On March 10 2018 09:48 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain. Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case. Dinner time now, though. For the moment, ##Vote: KelsierSCDo stuff.
So......you trying to push me or not? This reads like you're trying to scum read me but I don't feel pressure from your posts. What's your goal here?
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On March 10 2018 18:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 18:10 rsoultin wrote:
Apparently pre-game the mass claim idea was one you favored. Now you don't. I have one good explanation for that and it fits with an AMG night kill over one of you, me, and viva. explain this rsoul?
Already did and I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe if all the scummier people end up being town.
Namely his opinion pre-game was honest by default, so he should still have it. And I agree with him that the Amg kill seems strange if both he and viva are also town. It should have been one of us in my mind.
But with one scum out of df/ff/noob/viva and the fact that it remains technically possible that he did suddenly change his mind despite a mass claim obviously being the best play, well...at the very least I can't see myself lynching him over ksc.
So I'll let it go for now and give hf the benefit of the doubt.
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And yes part of it is that I know I can't lynch him if what I thought was compelling half the thread won't bother to read or can't understand. But I can't honestly say that I'm more convinced he's scum than our resident active lurker, so...-shrugs-
Before they could have been scum together. Now, that's not possible unless we have a really dumb townie fake-claiming.
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
Why is noobking trying to not figure out which medic is fake?
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On March 10 2018 09:48 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain. Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case.
So did you do that re-reading, rsoul? It looks inconclusive to me. He says that he's down for "shenannies" onto DF (which is the lynch he wants, if he's scum and DF isn't) but says that tubesock is still scummiest (which might be fine to say, even if Tubesock isn't the lynch he wants, because he's one of only 2 votes there at the time). But within just a few posts, there are suddenly two swaps TO Tubesock, and that would then make it tougher for Moosy to justify jumping to DF. Overall, I would say the voting record works slightly in Moosy's favor IF I knew for sure that DF is Town. But since I don't, I would mostly throw this evidence out. Which means the association case against him takes precedence. You seeing anything different?
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On March 10 2018 18:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:meh not much to get from noobking's last couple posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. On March 10 2018 09:48 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.
He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.
And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure. I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list. Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain. Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case. Dinner time now, though. For the moment, ##Vote: KelsierSCDo stuff. So......you trying to push me or not? This reads like you're trying to scum read me but I don't feel pressure from your posts. What's your goal here?
Oh, you don't understand what my goal is? I'm super-shocked! Your filter is 8 pages of you not understanding things. My post said I needed to re-read. I don't expect you to feel a bunch of pressure from me saying I need to re-read, while my vote is on someone else. But yeah, I'm "trying to scumread you." prpl flipping red makes you a high candidate to be on that team. Are you anxious to feel more pressure from my posts? What's the matter, don't especially feel like playing anymore after prpl crashed and burned, but your pride won't let you just scoop, either? Here's an idea....how about you put your vote on Kelsier too, and help me try to spur him into action. Then if he makes a few good posts, maybe the Noose ends up on you today instead, and you get put out of your misery a littler sooner. How's that sound?
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On March 10 2018 20:29 Holyflare wrote:
Why is noobking trying to not figure out which medic is fake?
Who said I'm not figuring out which medic is fake? But I don't think I could get any of the medics lynched today, even if I told everyone I was 100% sure which one is the fake. And there'll be more information about which one is the fake after today's flip.
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On March 10 2018 19:15 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 18:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 09 2018 18:10 rsoultin wrote:
Apparently pre-game the mass claim idea was one you favored. Now you don't. I have one good explanation for that and it fits with an AMG night kill over one of you, me, and viva. explain this rsoul? Already did and I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe if all the scummier people end up being town. Namely his opinion pre-game was honest by default, so he should still have it. And I agree with him that the Amg kill seems strange if both he and viva are also town. It should have been one of us in my mind. But with one scum out of df/ff/noob/viva and the fact that it remains technically possible that he did suddenly change his mind despite a mass claim obviously being the best play, well...at the very least I can't see myself lynching him over ksc. So I'll let it go for now and give hf the benefit of the doubt.
Well we appear to mostly just be killing time here, at the moment. So even if you have no designs on getting HF lynched today, you can still talk more about him, if there's anything left you haven't said already. I'm not saying your points don't make sense, I just don't see them as being all that strong.
1) His pre-game opinion was honest, so deviating from it in-game feels odd
2) If he and Vivax are both Town, you think one of the three of you should have been the NK
3) He was mean to you in this game, and he does that more when he's scum than while he's town. (I couldn't put much stock in this one, even if I were completely sure you were town)
Is that about the extent of it?
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Guess everybody left. Well, I'll be back later today. (should be at least 2-3 hours before the deadline, maybe more)
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lol 3 is not even true, I wasn't mean and she had the same complaint last game when I was town and did the same thing :D
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The things rsoul has pushed this game make me so wary of her she keeps dropping down my list:
1) Town reading prplhz on nothing
2) Pushing amg all day 1 and then dropping it
3) Pushing me today despite it not making any sense
4) Hard defending df because of some tiny town read he gave her
Only things going for her:
1) Getting people to mass claim
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On March 10 2018 21:01 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2018 19:15 rsoultin wrote:On March 10 2018 18:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 09 2018 18:10 rsoultin wrote:
Apparently pre-game the mass claim idea was one you favored. Now you don't. I have one good explanation for that and it fits with an AMG night kill over one of you, me, and viva. explain this rsoul? Already did and I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe if all the scummier people end up being town. Namely his opinion pre-game was honest by default, so he should still have it. And I agree with him that the Amg kill seems strange if both he and viva are also town. It should have been one of us in my mind. But with one scum out of df/ff/noob/viva and the fact that it remains technically possible that he did suddenly change his mind despite a mass claim obviously being the best play, well...at the very least I can't see myself lynching him over ksc. So I'll let it go for now and give hf the benefit of the doubt. Well we appear to mostly just be killing time here, at the moment. So even if you have no designs on getting HF lynched today, you can still talk more about him, if there's anything left you haven't said already. I'm not saying your points don't make sense, I just don't see them as being all that strong. 1) His pre-game opinion was honest, so deviating from it in-game feels odd 2) If he and Vivax are both Town, you think one of the three of you should have been the NK 3) He was mean to you in this game, and he does that more when he's scum than while he's town. (I couldn't put much stock in this one, even if I were completely sure you were town) Is that about the extent of it?
More or less. I'm less convinced by it today than I was yesterday, myself.
Add to the first point that his reasons for changing his mind were not convincing to me. That's where most of the push (and conviction) came from. If he'd had a reason that actually sounded intelligent (and yes I told if to that standard) I would have found it less odd and probably not outweighing the rest of his play.
The third point isn't really fully convincing to me either. It FEELS like he was more actively rather than inadvertently antagonizing me this game. But I don't expect anyone else to put the same amount of weight on that point anyway.
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I believe vivax and ff are the true medics. I think vivax should heal df and ff heal noob. The real medic of noob and df should heal the other one. Easy free mafia nk.
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And nah I've been a lazy fuck today. But I've got a couple hours so I can do that now.
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