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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 10 2018 12:16 GMT
#1021
Noobking, who did you heal last night?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 12:16 GMT
#1022
On March 10 2018 21:12 Holyflare wrote:
The things rsoul has pushed this game make me so wary of her she keeps dropping down my list:

1) Town reading prplhz on nothing
2) Pushing amg all day 1 and then dropping it
3) Pushing me today despite it not making any sense
4) Hard defending df because of some tiny town read he gave her

Only things going for her:

1) Getting people to mass claim

You may want to check your points before you post them.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 12:19 GMT
#1023
Namely points 2 and 4 are blatantly untrue, and the third is just wrong.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 12:23 GMT
#1024
On March 10 2018 21:14 Holyflare wrote:
I believe vivax and ff are the true medics. I think vivax should heal df and ff heal noob. The real medic of noob and df should heal the other one. Easy free mafia nk.

I'm not sure whether or not I like this plan. But that can be discussed during night phase.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 12:26 GMT
#1025
Technically all the points are wrong, but I'll concede that the prp townread was based off almost nothing, so that's close enough lol ><

Anyway, I've decided not to engage with HF today. If he spouts more crap that other people would like me to answer to, let me know I see no point shitfighting with him when I don't want to lynch him today, and he's not going to lynch me.

-trundles off to review EoD1-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 10 2018 12:33 GMT
#1026
Point 2 is not blatantly untrue, your push on AMG I felt was not good at all and based off of really weak points. Sure, it wasn't ALL day one but it was the latter half of it and it felt really odd to come from you as a push because it applied to so many other people and was extrapolated nonsense based on a push for the plural of a word. Seems silly to me.

Point 4 is not untrue. At every point I have pushed df you have said no, not lynching him and referenced his tone being town and that he is town because of his town read on you. I posted a case and YOU defended him from it. That is hard defending.

Point 1 is definitely true.

Point 3 multiple people have told you it doesn't make sense. It's also incongruent with your entire thought process. You have posted multiple times that I'm not mafia over one of the medic claims and afkers now BUT STILL TRY AND PUSH IT LIKE IT'S TRUE. It's ridiculous and amounts to setting up for the future imo because you still try and say it like it's a point while simultaneously referencing that I might not actually be mafia. You either believe it and I'm mafia or you retract it because you admit it's not a strong point. There is absolutely no in between with this.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
March 10 2018 12:34 GMT
#1027
I am also INCREDIBLY confused because at NO point have I shit fighted with you this entire cycle. You just keep posting points my way, I answer them and that's it. I haven't started anything and people (now including you) keep referencing it like I'm harassing you into shit fighting. It's crazy.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 12:41 GMT
#1028
Again, if anyone else feels I need to answer his points, I will.

At the point that DF placed his vote on prp, his wagon was building. The only person still on prp was AMG, and moosy was on tubesock. I can see why a scum DF might be inclined to bus, but given prp was the RB and we know tube was town, it's less likely to me that he's scum doing that.

Oh, hf, I will talk to you about this, though.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 12:43 GMT
#1029
On March 10 2018 21:34 Holyflare wrote:
I am also INCREDIBLY confused because at NO point have I shit fighted with you this entire cycle. You just keep posting points my way, I answer them and that's it. I haven't started anything and people (now including you) keep referencing it like I'm harassing you into shit fighting. It's crazy.


I'm not saying you're harrassing me, by the way. I just don't want to lynch you anymore and don't care to be distracted by your push unless people actually want to lynch me.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 13:09 GMT
#1030
On March 10 2018 20:42 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2018 09:48 n00bKing wrote:
On March 10 2018 09:23 rsoultin wrote:
On March 10 2018 09:17 n00bKing wrote:
On March 10 2018 04:20 rsoultin wrote:
In other points of interest, I do like discussing moosy because he doesn't have the steam id expect from a towny who got a scum flip and also thought it was 'really good' the amg kill because it eliminated a tinfoil theory.

He also took a pussyfoot neutral stance to mass claiming.

And like I've said, he didn't propose any N1 vig targets until I asked him directly. I've talked about how Moosy's filter mostly reads like he's disregarding prpl's existence. iirc Moosy has made one or more comments about having not played in a while, and he's not one of the people who have been playing on this site the longest. I don't know if he plays on other sites all the time like I do, but if not, he may not be very experienced, and I've found that oftentimes, inexperienced mafia players will just avoid main-thread interaction with their teammates. I think it's a decent association case, and would be interested to see how Moosy responds to vote pressure. Kelsier obviously still a good target as well, but I can't tell whether or not he *would* respond to vote pressure.

I think I need to add rereading eod to my to-do list.

Cause moosy could have voted df as well and I think he was on tube. Almost certain.

Yeah, I need to do that too. Unfortunately, that will mean actually re-reading the thread, and not just filters. :sadface: lol
There's a point near EoD where Moosy enters and says he's catching up. I'll have to see if thread sentiment had already turned against Tubesock by that point or not, so that making the jump to DF may have looked weird. Otherwise it would take something like "Moosy literally didn't see DF's claim" or "Moosy didn't realize that DF's claim provides a free excuse to lynch him" and relying on stuff like that would weaken the association case.

So did you do that re-reading, rsoul? It looks inconclusive to me. He says that he's down for "shenannies" onto DF (which is the lynch he wants, if he's scum and DF isn't) but says that tubesock is still scummiest (which might be fine to say, even if Tubesock isn't the lynch he wants, because he's one of only 2 votes there at the time). But within just a few posts, there are suddenly two swaps TO Tubesock, and that would then make it tougher for Moosy to justify jumping to DF. Overall, I would say the voting record works slightly in Moosy's favor IF I knew for sure that DF is Town. But since I don't, I would mostly throw this evidence out. Which means the association case against him takes precedence. You seeing anything different?

Eh. Yeah...I actually think his play near EoD means more if DF is scum. It looked a bit like he wasn't sure how to handle it with all the questions to HF about who he thought was more scummy between df and tube, when the vote should make that pretty obvious.

I know that I have trouble with my scummates...or at least used to ignore them so was trying to fix that in my last scum game which went so amazingly well lol >< So I don't disagree with your intial premise regarding moosy ignoring prp.

This is the only mention of prp that I can find from moosy all Day 1.

On March 08 2018 07:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm down with shenannies onto prp, darth. Preferred is Tube. I still don't see how he isn't scummy. Also rsoultin if people are really down to clown. jk probably not rsoultin looks town


Could argue that he also doesn't talk about other afkers much (see: KSC, chaoser) but there are several references to FF and Damdred who had posted (but also not a lot like prp), and prp was actually a point of discussion.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 10 2018 13:23 GMT
#1031
So 4 medic claims. Good stuff.
This means we have 6 VTs versus 4 medics atm.
We know there is 1 mafia within the VTs.

Now we have 2 lynches and 2 medic shots during the night to get the 1 mafia within the VTs.
If we figure him out today we auto win killing medics.
If we figure him out during night we auto win killing medics.
If we figure him out next day we end up with 4 real vts and 3 medics which contain a mafia. = autowin cuz medics kill each other during night.
If we figure him out the second night we go into a 2 VT + 1 medic vs a fakeclaiming medic mafia. It's a 50/50 because we have to lynch.

But seriously. If we lose that we missed 3 lynches and 2 vig shots. Then you just deserve to lose.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
March 10 2018 13:27 GMT
#1032
Well we aren't lynching into the medic claims today right? Besides the other claims are tricky to read for me. I couldn't really point at one of them and say he's scum for certain.

I think Kelsier is the best lynch among non claimers.

##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 13:29 GMT
#1033
On March 08 2018 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
hm. I'm not quite sure if I see what Holyflare is seeing about darthfoley.


^ This came after my vote on tube, and before DF switched. It's also the first time he takes any sort of stance on DF at all the entire game. So I agree that if DF is town, that's a point in moosy's favor. Of course, he could have just been uncomfortable moving after pushing tube most of the day phase, so it's hardly a hard clear.

Yeaaah, I'm beginning to think that maybe HF was right. Don't tell him. (Not necessarily about DF's alignment, but that the NK info might have been more helpful tonight. Shh).

-crawls off into Tina's shame corner-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 10 2018 13:30 GMT
#1034
1. Alakaslam
3. darthfoley
5. Holyflare
6. rsoultin
7. Koshi
8. KelsierSC

Kill 4.

Do not do the shit rsoultin and HF suggest.
Do not kill medics.

Within these 6 names you have 4 chances to hit the 1 mafia. only when it is the 4th try that you hit mafia you need to lynch the last mafia in a 50/50 between medics. Mafia has no option to kill VTs. Well... They could but then they chance the 1/3 chance on the last medic shot into a 1/2 shot and then last day is a 3 medics + 1 VT "mylo". So that doesn't change shit.

Just play the game like I suggest. Kill 4 within 6. If you hit the 1 mafia you autowin unless it was the last shot 2 nights from now. If you can't hit the mafia withing these 6 names you just deserve to lose.
I had a good night of sleep.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 13:30 GMT
#1035
On March 10 2018 22:27 Vivax wrote:
Well we aren't lynching into the medic claims today right? Besides the other claims are tricky to read for me. I couldn't really point at one of them and say he's scum for certain.

I think Kelsier is the best lynch among non claimers.

##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC


Yeah we shouldn't be lynching into the medic claims tonight. I presume HF is going to remove his vote since he was talking about having medics shoot each other tonight, he just hasn't done it yet.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 13:33 GMT
#1036
On March 10 2018 22:30 Koshi wrote:
1. Alakaslam
3. darthfoley
5. Holyflare
6. rsoultin
7. Koshi
8. KelsierSC

Kill 4.

Do not do the shit rsoultin and HF suggest.
Do not kill medics.

Within these 6 names you have 4 chances to hit the 1 mafia. only when it is the 4th try that you hit mafia you need to lynch the last mafia in a 50/50 between medics. Mafia has no option to kill VTs. Well... They could but then they chance the 1/3 chance on the last medic shot into a 1/2 shot and then last day is a 3 medics + 1 VT "mylo". So that doesn't change shit.

Just play the game like I suggest. Kill 4 within 6. If you hit the 1 mafia you autowin unless it was the last shot 2 nights from now. If you can't hit the mafia withing these 6 names you just deserve to lose.


-pokes- You've given a ton of setup advice and appear to actually be reading something, so do you have any reads?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 13:37 GMT
#1037
Also it's moosy, not DF. DF claimed medic. And I agree that it makes more sense to lynch into the larger pool first, because of the advantages of getting it right early.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
March 10 2018 13:39 GMT
#1038
On March 10 2018 22:23 Koshi wrote:
So 4 medic claims. Good stuff.
This means we have 6 VTs versus 4 medics atm.
We know there is 1 mafia within the VTs.

Now we have 2 lynches and 2 medic shots during the night to get the 1 mafia within the VTs.
If we figure him out today we auto win killing medics.
If we figure him out during night we auto win killing medics.
If we figure him out next day we end up with 4 real vts and 3 medics which contain a mafia. = autowin cuz medics kill each other during night.
If we figure him out the second night we go into a 2 VT + 1 medic vs a fakeclaiming medic mafia. It's a 50/50 because we have to lynch.

But seriously. If we lose that we missed 3 lynches and 2 vig shots. Then you just deserve to lose.


Koshi I really like that you play through the scenarios but did you read people's filters yet? I don't think I can read you either way when you are going to be a setup cruncher as it's a very noncommittal way to play the game.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 13:42 GMT
#1039
Hm, I think I'd rather vote Kelsier because I have no clue what the point of his posts even are if he's town. Particularly when he said he didn't know what I was talking about. So he's reading but not reading?

I just don't want to auto and find out he just sucks lol >< Then again, we've got a ton of time to work things out now, so there's that.

Also, I think a better way of using our 'four' medics is to have two vig targets tonight outside the medic pool with two clearly assigned to one target, and two to another. Then scum has to play ball or reveal which pairing has the fake claim.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 10 2018 13:43 GMT
#1040
##vote: Kelsier
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
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