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On March 07 2018 20:03 AMG wrote:
this wagon on Vivax is a farce. Lynching someone who hasn't posted when you've got plenty of stuff in the thread to work with is just lazy.
He flips scum, what do we learn? nada. squat. I mean yay we got a scum, but its just dumb ass luck if he flips scum. Conversely he flips town, everyone on his wagon says 'welp he was afk, had it coming', and we chuck an entire cycle away.
Lots of bad reasoning here, imo. Lynching an afk player at the end of D1 is not the same as chucking the cycle away. All of the D1 discussion and voting still happened (and analysis of it can still have value) even if you settle on a player who hasn't posted, at the end The only thing that would marginalize the value of the D1 discussion is if everyone knew throughout the phase that ultimately an afk player will be lynched. That definitely has not been the case in this game. Additionally, for a player who isn't posting to flip scum in this game may not be "just dumb ass luck." While rsoul said that no-showing the game thread was more scum-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser, I think no-showing the game thread can be scum-indicative in THIS game, for ANY player, regardless of that player's personal history, given the fact that so much of the pre-game discussion revolved around the idea that the setup is heavily town-favored. Under those conditions, any player who pulled a scum role could be more likely to no-show the main thread than they ordinarily would be.
Speaking of rsoul's comment that no-showing the thread is more alignment-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser...if that's how she felt, then after HF says Vivax is actually prone to going afk as either alignment, and Vixax makes an appearance, and rsoul takes her vote off of Vivax, I don't know why she wouldn't just go to the next stop, and put the vote on Kelsier. How is that not the natural next step in the progression/thought process? And it's not like as if she's even passing over that logical next step in favor of some other logical vote. She's passing over the logical next step in favor of just not voting. When she asked Moosy who her scummates would be and I said that one of them would almost have to be Kelsier or chaoser, I was at least half-joking, and maybe more like 90% joking. But everything that's happened since then has sure followed that script, so if one of those players eventually flips red, I think she would need additional scrutiny.
Based on the current vote count, I'm gonna go read the DF filter. Back soon.
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On March 08 2018 04:23 Vivax wrote:
FF what's with your prplhz SR? Care to flesh it out?
For all I know he took a stance similar to mine in regards to the AMG tubesock discussion.
His filter doesn't make me lean either way. Why you?
It was an early thing when prp said amg was just trying to make excuses to scum people but amg had only lightly scumread one person. If you want me to flesh out my read more than that I'll have to do it on my lunch break in a half hour after i buy food
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Oh look, this again. People pressuring me d1 for like the 5th time in a row. I guess I can understand where some of it comes from, so I will try to respond to concerns.
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Ok, reading the DF filter didn't take long, but it sounds like it's about to grow, so I guess I'll wait a bit.
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On March 08 2018 04:30 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 20:03 AMG wrote:
this wagon on Vivax is a farce. Lynching someone who hasn't posted when you've got plenty of stuff in the thread to work with is just lazy.
He flips scum, what do we learn? nada. squat. I mean yay we got a scum, but its just dumb ass luck if he flips scum. Conversely he flips town, everyone on his wagon says 'welp he was afk, had it coming', and we chuck an entire cycle away.
Lots of bad reasoning here, imo. Lynching an afk player at the end of D1 is not the same as chucking the cycle away. All of the D1 discussion and voting still happened (and analysis of it can still have value) even if you settle on a player who hasn't posted, at the end The only thing that would marginalize the value of the D1 discussion is if everyone knew throughout the phase that ultimately an afk player will be lynched. That definitely has not been the case in this game. Additionally, for a player who isn't posting to flip scum in this game may not be "just dumb ass luck." While rsoul said that no-showing the game thread was more scum-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser, I think no-showing the game thread can be scum-indicative in THIS game, for ANY player, regardless of that player's personal history, given the fact that so much of the pre-game discussion revolved around the idea that the setup is heavily town-favored. Under those conditions, any player who pulled a scum role could be more likely to no-show the main thread than they ordinarily would be. Speaking of rsoul's comment that no-showing the thread is more alignment-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser...if that's how she felt, then after HF says Vivax is actually prone to going afk as either alignment, and Vixax makes an appearance, and rsoul takes her vote off of Vivax, I don't know why she wouldn't just go to the next stop, and put the vote on Kelsier. How is that not the natural next step in the progression/thought process? And it's not like as if she's even passing over that logical next step in favor of some other logical vote. She's passing over the logical next step in favor of just not voting. When she asked Moosy who her scummates would be and I said that one of them would almost have to be Kelsier or chaoser, I was at least half-joking, and maybe more like 90% joking. But everything that's happened since then has sure followed that script, so if one of those players eventually flips red, I think she would need additional scrutiny. Based on the current vote count, I'm gonna go read the DF filter. Back soon.
This isnthe kind of post I try to read but my eyes glaze over so I just skip it
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On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people.
I've already commented on this before HF @ others. At this point i'm pretty sure AMG had only scumread Tubesock and was pretty clear about his reasoning at the time.
The rest of his filter is basically bland nothingness about an SK for no reason. Town!Prplhz is very low activity but there's usually some sort of edgy unique reads. In this game there's basically nothing except one factually inaccurate post about AMG. It's like the edgyness... without the facts.
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On March 08 2018 04:38 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 04:30 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 20:03 AMG wrote:
this wagon on Vivax is a farce. Lynching someone who hasn't posted when you've got plenty of stuff in the thread to work with is just lazy.
He flips scum, what do we learn? nada. squat. I mean yay we got a scum, but its just dumb ass luck if he flips scum. Conversely he flips town, everyone on his wagon says 'welp he was afk, had it coming', and we chuck an entire cycle away.
Lots of bad reasoning here, imo. Lynching an afk player at the end of D1 is not the same as chucking the cycle away. All of the D1 discussion and voting still happened (and analysis of it can still have value) even if you settle on a player who hasn't posted, at the end The only thing that would marginalize the value of the D1 discussion is if everyone knew throughout the phase that ultimately an afk player will be lynched. That definitely has not been the case in this game. Additionally, for a player who isn't posting to flip scum in this game may not be "just dumb ass luck." While rsoul said that no-showing the game thread was more scum-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser, I think no-showing the game thread can be scum-indicative in THIS game, for ANY player, regardless of that player's personal history, given the fact that so much of the pre-game discussion revolved around the idea that the setup is heavily town-favored. Under those conditions, any player who pulled a scum role could be more likely to no-show the main thread than they ordinarily would be. Speaking of rsoul's comment that no-showing the thread is more alignment-indicative for Vivax and Kelsier than it is for chaoser...if that's how she felt, then after HF says Vivax is actually prone to going afk as either alignment, and Vixax makes an appearance, and rsoul takes her vote off of Vivax, I don't know why she wouldn't just go to the next stop, and put the vote on Kelsier. How is that not the natural next step in the progression/thought process? And it's not like as if she's even passing over that logical next step in favor of some other logical vote. She's passing over the logical next step in favor of just not voting. When she asked Moosy who her scummates would be and I said that one of them would almost have to be Kelsier or chaoser, I was at least half-joking, and maybe more like 90% joking. But everything that's happened since then has sure followed that script, so if one of those players eventually flips red, I think she would need additional scrutiny. Based on the current vote count, I'm gonna go read the DF filter. Back soon. This isnthe kind of post I try to read but my eyes glaze over so I just skip it
Waiting for people to scumread FF for making the same point I made about Mocsta last game that earned me scum reads 
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On March 07 2018 21:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Hm, interesting stuff Vivax. Anything else you want to share? Also this is actually NAI and totally game unrelated but ahhhhh Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 20:24 rsoultin wrote:
Meh fuck it.
I have a bad townread on you that's wifomy and it rather not share, and you refuse to help me work through my reads where we disagree.
But that doesn't even make you scum because you just do this shit and for the life of me I don't understand why I have to ask the question ten times when as dar as I can tell you think I'm town.
And before I start whining in a passive aggressively hurtful way (yes I'm deleting what I just wrote) I'm going to leave. Just...Whatever.
##unvote
First impression amg odd entry target for scum.
I'll bother figuring out which of my nullish reads I actually want to vote later. Never change TL mafia never change. What would a game of Mafia with rsoultin be like without her whining about people refusing to help her out.
Not a relevant point to my defense or whatever, but rsoultin was simply asking HF to explain one of his reads and he actively ignored her for a long time. Idk why you wouldn't be annoyed with that
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On March 07 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 16:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2018 16:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm a medic. Uhm...you called you a medic.... Yes and as noobking says someone said I can do that as either alignment or any role but you have specifically said I'm a medic. There's a big difference from saying what I said means nothing to saying what I said means I am medic but either alignment. It appears like you know I'm medic but then add a hedge on top as a "oh I don't know" to fit in. It's a weird thought process comparatively to hf can be anything. He wouldn't know you were medic even if he were mafia. You're making this sound like TMI when it just isn't. There are 3 town medics???
Still waiting for HF to respond to this because atm it just seems like a blendy reason to scumread Tubesock for no reason.
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FF's filter reads like he's heavily influenced by the slightest amount of thread sentiment.
he's talked about lynching prplhz, rsoultin, vivax, Tubesock, me with basically no explanation.
Which is basically everyone that has had any pressure on him/herself today. I'm fine scum reading him
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On March 08 2018 02:00 Holyflare wrote:
I'll be nice rsoul and summarise some brief points:
DF picks up on things that the ordinary player would call scummy and makes a passing comment and drops it. There is no follow up nor care to what he sees, it's just observations.
DF makes posts calling people scummy and only elaborates on one of those people while having said absolutely nothing about the others or alluding to why they are mafia.
DF then says something to me about sharing 75% of the same reads so why did I say he looks bad but then does he actually care what I reply?
Nah, it's all just filler posts and no actual want to solve anything.
I don't even know what this means. I obviously care what you replied, but you didn't explain shit and I wasn't in the mood to try and get it out of you because I didn't feel like being ignored a la rsoultin.
On March 07 2018 12:51 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Actually df I've reread your filter and I think you're below prplhz instead. Lots of holes and pointlessness imo. okay
I'm sorry your sarcasm senses weren't tingling
Regarding to "not alluding to why they are mafia" I think this post alludes pretty obviously
On March 07 2018 05:02 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. Not sure what this is referring to. I feel like AMG has been pretty open so far
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Anyways, I'm around until deadline mostly. Can answer questions or whatever if need be. Right now i'm voting FecalFeast
##Vote: FecalFeast
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On March 08 2018 04:39 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. I've already commented on this before HF @ others. At this point i'm pretty sure AMG had only scumread Tubesock and was pretty clear about his reasoning at the time. The rest of his filter is basically bland nothingness about an SK for no reason. Town!Prplhz is very low activity but there's usually some sort of edgy unique reads. In this game there's basically nothing except one factually inaccurate post about AMG. It's like the edgyness... without the facts.
Calling the guy everyone was town reading mafia (basically) and calling the guy everyone was scum reading town isn't edgy enough for you?
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Fefe is notoriously lazy though :|
What makes him lazy mafia over lazy town here?
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Day 1 Vote Count
darthfoley (3): Holyflare, Fecalfeast, Vivax
Tubesock (2): Holyflare (x), n00bking, AMG (x), MoosyDoosy
prplhz (1): AMG, Fecalfeast (x)
MoosyDoosy (1): Tubesock
Fecalfeast (1): darthfoley
Damdred (0): rsoultin (x)
Vivax (0): rsoultin (x), Fecalfeast (x)
Not Voting (5): chaoser, prplhz, Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin
darthfoley currently stands as the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 07 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
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Aw I should have called it in thread but I knew df would come.back with a scumread on me.
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On March 08 2018 05:02 Vivax wrote:
Fefe is notoriously lazy though :|
What makes him lazy mafia over lazy town here?
I might've played once with FeFe in a cell game in 2015.
Mainly because I think many of the active people are town so far, so it's more PoE. I need to look into Moosy though, I haven't read his filter yet
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On March 08 2018 05:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 04:39 darthfoley wrote:On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people. I've already commented on this before HF @ others. At this point i'm pretty sure AMG had only scumread Tubesock and was pretty clear about his reasoning at the time. The rest of his filter is basically bland nothingness about an SK for no reason. Town!Prplhz is very low activity but there's usually some sort of edgy unique reads. In this game there's basically nothing except one factually inaccurate post about AMG. It's like the edgyness... without the facts. Calling the guy everyone was town reading mafia (basically) and calling the guy everyone was scum reading town isn't edgy enough for you?
On March 06 2018 20:18 prplhz wrote:
This whole Tubesock push seems like something I'd like, but be wrong about. I'm interested in seeing where it goes though.
AMG seems to be making excuses for scumreading people.
Where do you get the idea that he's town reading Tubesock? The first two sentences are a mess of wishy washyness
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So no, definitely not edgy enough. The prplhz I remember from the last couple games was a lot more up front with his outside the box one liners
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On March 08 2018 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Follow up by AMG looks better at glance given he sticks his head in many different places and generally gives off a vibe of wanting to do stuff which is a plus for him on D1. Doesn't allow me to exclude him as mafia though.
I don't see what would have required catching up in regards to his initial tubesock read however. It remains a read that is essentially based on Tube being prickly entirely, except that the actual vote happens only when Noobking votes.
His initial impression that Tube is prickly goes from being an observation to an explanation for why it is scummy to a vote for other reasons.
It looks like he reacts to his own posts to keep up a narrative in this case.
I see it like this could have happened:
Townie overreacts to other townie, AMG spots possible fault by TS, calls him prickly but doesn't go with it anywhere. So he needs to make a followup posts telling us that he thinks it's a mafia trait cause the previous post alone in the room would look bad.
Only when Noobking attacks Tubesock AMG decides to vote for him, and he does it by rehashing/agreeing with what Noobking said.
So AMG was kind of looking for reasons to get onto Tubesock purely for the reason he called him prickly already, and since his own reason didn't get enough pull, he only felt like he had the opportunity to do so when Noobking voted first.
This is summed up what's not right with AMG in my opinion.
You completely overlook the reason I take issue with tubesock which I've gone over two or three times now. His pricklyness catches my eye, as did him having a read that conflicted with mine, so I challenged his read. He refused to discuss anything with me at all, like he didn't give a shit about my alignment and had no drive to find out why I had a different opinion to him.
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