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Forever ago? I've lynched him as town for those exact same reasons. Also this tube shit is tedious as fuck.
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If he has some meej attempt to have activity later then he might be mafia. Flat afking doesn't mean anything though.
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On March 07 2018 18:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Meh. I'm actually leaning towards thinking I was wrong and you're town rsoultin I just hate to admit it. Suspicions are suspicions though so I'm still keeping my eye on you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's fair. I was questioning you because unless this game is super easy I'm townreading a mafia.
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On March 07 2018 18:47 Holyflare wrote:
Forever ago? I've lynched him as town for those exact same reasons. Also this tube shit is tedious as fuck.
I mean I don't disagree that anyone can be afk as town obviously.
Can you clarify your list for me? Because I read it as a lynch order with afks being last, which implies townreads on everyone else? And that obviously doesn't make sense.
And Id still like to know which holes you're referring to regarding df.
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On March 07 2018 19:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 18:47 Holyflare wrote:
Forever ago? I've lynched him as town for those exact same reasons. Also this tube shit is tedious as fuck. I mean I don't disagree that anyone can be afk as town obviously. Can you clarify your list for me? Because I read it as a lynch order with afks being last, which implies townreads on everyone else? And that obviously doesn't make sense. And Id still like to know which holes you're referring to regarding df.
Afks first in terms of lynch, last in terms of reads. Basically I want to know where your null bar falls and am assuming that's where you are on the afks.
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it's a descending town order with afks being in a different plane of existence
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On March 07 2018 19:34 Holyflare wrote:
it's a descending town order with afks being in a different plane of existence
-facepalms-
I really don't see why it's so hard to be clear on where your townreads and and scumreads start. I can assume based on other comments and probably be right but it's a pretty simple matter to just answer directly.
Whatever. I'm not going to keep hanging my head against that wall. As long as you have at least one scumread not wanting to lunch afk people makes sense. And it seems you do despite not being clear on the actual breakdown of your list.
What holes were you referring to regarding df?
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Whats so hard to understand about his list? Top to bottom in order of towniess. Towns at the top, scum at the bottom. AFK's hes not even going to consider because by definition of being AFK's they haven't even posted yet
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Yeah, it's really not too complex lol.
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I'm going to open up a 3rd wagon on prplhz. I think his attack on me was rubbish.
##Vote:prplhz
I bit my tongue for a while to see where it went, but this wagon on Vivax is a farce. Lynching someone who hasn't posted when you've got plenty of stuff in the thread to work with is just lazy.
He flips scum, what do we learn? nada. squat. I mean yay we got a scum, but its just dumb ass luck if he flips scum. Conversely he flips town, everyone on his wagon says 'welp he was afk, had it coming', and we chuck an entire cycle away.
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Hi sorry for being late.
I'm town so my posting rhythm should reach critical mass sometime soon I suppose.
I'm moderately caught up and after reading a bunch of posts (of which I'm reading more as I write this up) I think that rsoultin and Moosy are town, and also the volumetric heroes of D1.
For some reason I like the fact DF peaced in just to tell us he's going to read the OP tomorrow. Thanks DF.
Tubesock/AMG/Noobking early interaction could yield scum.
On March 06 2018 11:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 09:15 Tubesock wrote:
I am not sure about the mass claiming bit D2 though. I think it would be better for town to have the medics be unknown for a couple cycles before they claim. Well let's not allow ourselves to become distracted by discussion that doesn't need to take place yet. We don't need to decide whether to mass claim on Day 2 until it's Day 2.
On March 06 2018 11:36 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 11:26 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I miss the presence of a rayn-like person plugging me in the butthole and telling me i suck at this game I can start telling you that you suck at this game, if that'll help. You'll have to go somewhere else for the rest of that, though. On March 06 2018 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm pretty sure Fecal was exaggerating by his D2 mass claim. Mass claiming is going to happen but I don't see it happening on D2 unless the game is really easy and we nail mafia really early I dunno, the pre-game discussion sounds to me like people are talking about mass claiming early game and not late game. And now I can't ask them to clarify what they meant, because they either aren't in the game or I can no longer trust them to tell me the truth about it. But speaking of the pre-game discussion, now that I've read through it again, it occurs to me that I don't even know for sure what the setup for the game IS. We had this: On February 19 2018 23:28 Calix wrote:
I'm leaning towards giving mafia another role since people seem to agree that makes the game easier for mafia. and then this: On February 19 2018 23:45 Calix wrote:
Two Roleblockers might be fine then. I'll see what other people think and if nobody has a serious problem with it then I'll change the Mafioso to a PR. and then that was it. So was the setup changed? Am I allowed to ask the Narrator to tell us whether the setup changed? Because if the setup isn't as town-favored as it was initially, that will definitely change my strategy. Didn't you just chastise me for talking about mass claiming strategy? And here you are talking about setup and strategy. Your hypocrisy is delicious.
On March 06 2018 13:59 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 11:36 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:26 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I miss the presence of a rayn-like person plugging me in the butthole and telling me i suck at this game I can start telling you that you suck at this game, if that'll help. You'll have to go somewhere else for the rest of that, though. On March 06 2018 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm pretty sure Fecal was exaggerating by his D2 mass claim. Mass claiming is going to happen but I don't see it happening on D2 unless the game is really easy and we nail mafia really early I dunno, the pre-game discussion sounds to me like people are talking about mass claiming early game and not late game. And now I can't ask them to clarify what they meant, because they either aren't in the game or I can no longer trust them to tell me the truth about it. But speaking of the pre-game discussion, now that I've read through it again, it occurs to me that I don't even know for sure what the setup for the game IS. We had this: On February 19 2018 23:28 Calix wrote:
I'm leaning towards giving mafia another role since people seem to agree that makes the game easier for mafia. and then this: On February 19 2018 23:45 Calix wrote:
Two Roleblockers might be fine then. I'll see what other people think and if nobody has a serious problem with it then I'll change the Mafioso to a PR. and then that was it. So was the setup changed? Am I allowed to ask the Narrator to tell us whether the setup changed? Because if the setup isn't as town-favored as it was initially, that will definitely change my strategy. Didn't you just chastise me for talking about mass claiming strategy? And here you are talking about setup and strategy. Your hypocrisy is delicious. He did not chastise you at all. Why are you so pricky?
I can't decide if Tube overreacted here which I'm not sure he did cause choosing the path to conflict isn't really the mafias way. So leaning less towards tube mafia purely from this. Just seemed genuinely pissed that noobking shut him down about something and then started talking about that anyway.
The AMG post initially looks like he wants to rectify the way Tubesock reacts. He drags out the prickly argumentation out for too long for my taste and transforms it into a full fledged scumread a few posts later.
I can't really get behind AMGs reasons to scumread Tube as they are. He possibly went into the discussion with the mindset "I'll take safe sides in a TvT discussion and point at Tube making a mistake" , but since AMG also had to do something out of that to maintain the looks of doing something, he took the only thing he pointed out (prickly Tube) and made a case out of it.
On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.
I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.
I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town
But he actually only votes Tube when Noobking does:
On March 06 2018 20:45 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 18:01 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 17:08 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 17:01 rsoultin wrote:
:/
I'm a bit sad I'm not getting more lynch Damdred support.
Like the pressure on tubesock though so I'm going to try not to sulk too obstructively.
I agree with AMG. It's almost like you don't care to get a read on someone with an opposite opinion of you, tubesock.
I don't think I'd get anything out of a conversation with AMG. Prickly players only scum? That's certainly not my experience at all so we don't have common ground there. And I was more interested in n00bking. Which I'm still deciding on. I still don't like hypocrisy. I think his nitpicking is his way of digging deep for more understanding so I think it's towny. Ugh. I don't like any of that post. Being "more interested in n00bking" isn't a good reason to avoid any discussion with AMG. You can talk to 2 players at once, you know. Keeping a singular focus on one topic helps to keep you from needing to develop opinions on any other subject, and that's not good. And even if you thought you had "no common ground" with him about what makes players prickly (and even if you thought discussing the disagreement with him wouldn't help you determine whether he actually sees it differently, or is just pretending to) you could have just talked to him about something else instead. Like...you could have talked to him about the thing you were "more interested in." ME! Why not ask him why he has the townread on me? He might share something that changes your mind. Or you might share something that changes his. Having NO desire to discuss me with someone who takes the opposite opinion just makes it look like you already know my allegiance.'splain yourself. ##Vote: Tubesock Basically, this. ##Vote: TubesockBottom line, i'm 1/13th of the game and you don't seem to care to engage me, I'd like to know why. And saying we disagree on one point is absolutely not an answer.
I don't even know how his bottom line relates to anything he said before about being prickly.
Hitting post, voting amg and resuming :>
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On March 07 2018 19:51 AMG wrote:
Whats so hard to understand about his list? Top to bottom in order of towniess. Towns at the top, scum at the bottom. AFK's hes not even going to consider because by definition of being AFK's they haven't even posted yet
I think I made it pretty clear that I wanted to know where his null line fell -shoos-
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On March 07 2018 19:57 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, it's really not too complex lol.
Holes. In df's posting.
I do not understand why you refuse to answer ><
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There is no null line. Everyone is something.
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Meh fuck it.
I have a bad townread on you that's wifomy and it rather not share, and you refuse to help me work through my reads where we disagree.
But that doesn't even make you scum because you just do this shit and for the life of me I don't understand why I have to ask the question ten times when as dar as I can tell you think I'm town.
And before I start whining in a passive aggressively hurtful way (yes I'm deleting what I just wrote) I'm going to leave. Just...Whatever.
##unvote
First impression amg odd entry target for scum.
I'll bother figuring out which of my nullish reads I actually want to vote later.
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The "HF fakeclaims as town and mafia" endless discussion between tube and noob annoys me but at least makes noob appear townie cause he's so stubborn about that little wording detail. One more out of the way for today.
On March 06 2018 15:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.
I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.
I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town
You get a cookie.
Handing cookies to the wrong people? Why did he get a cookie?
On March 06 2018 15:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 15:55 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 15:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 09:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
Honestly hf claiming a role doesn't mean anything he fakes as town or mafia agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia. What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I didn't twist anything. They're two separate statements. That's the point! They're two separate statements! So when he says what he said, and you quote it and say "agreed," followed by what you said, that's like someone saying "Tuesday is the best day of the week" and a 2nd person quoting it and responding with "Agreed, today is Tuesday." Those aren't the same thing. Are they agreeing with the 1st statement and also adding a 2nd statement? Did they misunderstand the 1st statement? Are they misrepresenting the 1st statement to mean something it didn't? (this one is what it looks like to me at first glance). So I made you take a stance on whether you agreed with his original statement. That removes the option for you to later say you "just misunderstood." That would be HUGELY important if HF were to later flip Red, because it would offer tons of context on whether you were trying to protect him. You've clarified that you agree with the original statement, were also adding a 2nd statement, so I have my answer, and we can move on. Make sense? If I recall correctly this is exactly how the old n00bKing I knew of old was like. Always fussing with fine details I would just gloss over
Is this a townread? Cause I just wrote up the same and it makes me townread him.
I don't understand this whole thingy about tubesock calling HF medic. Seems like he's being misrepped since he also clarified it sufficiently in my opinion. It does make noobking come out as townie but why is tubesock mafia for any of this?
The synopsis was that HF can fakeclaim mafia as town or medic where did tubesock mean it in any other way, poor wording excluded?
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I'm going to give you the courtesy of letting you catch up before I tell you you're bad.
Carry on.
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Hm, interesting stuff Vivax. Anything else you want to share?
Also this is actually NAI and totally game unrelated but ahhhhh
On March 07 2018 20:24 rsoultin wrote:
Meh fuck it.
I have a bad townread on you that's wifomy and it rather not share, and you refuse to help me work through my reads where we disagree.
But that doesn't even make you scum because you just do this shit and for the life of me I don't understand why I have to ask the question ten times when as dar as I can tell you think I'm town.
And before I start whining in a passive aggressively hurtful way (yes I'm deleting what I just wrote) I'm going to leave. Just...Whatever.
##unvote
First impression amg odd entry target for scum.
I'll bother figuring out which of my nullish reads I actually want to vote later.
Never change TL mafia never change. What would a game of Mafia with rsoultin be like without her whining about people refusing to help her out.
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On March 07 2018 20:26 Vivax wrote:The "HF fakeclaims as town and mafia" endless discussion between tube and noob annoys me but at least makes noob appear townie cause he's so stubborn about that little wording detail. One more out of the way for today. Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 15:47 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote:
Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly.
I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics.
I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town
You get a cookie. Handing cookies to the wrong people? Why did he get a cookie? Show nested quote +On March 06 2018 15:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 06 2018 15:55 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 15:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 15:18 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 14:42 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 12:51 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 11:28 Tubesock wrote:On March 06 2018 11:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 06 2018 09:16 Tubesock wrote:
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agreed, I think he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia.
What are you "agreeing" with? Because what Fecalfeast said and what you said are NOT the same. I agree that HF can fakeclaim as either alignment, that I don't believe that him claiming should be alignment indicative in any way. Alright, thanks for making that clear. Because obviously there's a ton of difference between Fecalfeast saying "he fakes as town or mafia" and you saying "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia." I must be obtuse. I don't get why it's all that different in the context "is HolyFlare town for claiming" between "he fakes as town or mafia" or "he would claim just as easily as town medic as he would mafia"? Although, I meant to add "mafia medic" in there. What obvious difference do you see? The obvious difference is that Fecalfeast said HF makes fake claims as both Town and Mafia, while you said that HF could just as easily make the claim as Town medic or Mafia. If he makes the claim as Town medic, it's not FAKE. So what you did is take something Fecalfeast said, twisted it into something he DIDN'T say, and then "agreed" with it. That's why I forced you into telling us whether or not you agree with what he ACTUALLY said, and not just what you ACTED like he said. You told me you do agree with what he actually said, so I thanked you for your answer. I didn't twist anything. They're two separate statements. That's the point! They're two separate statements! So when he says what he said, and you quote it and say "agreed," followed by what you said, that's like someone saying "Tuesday is the best day of the week" and a 2nd person quoting it and responding with "Agreed, today is Tuesday." Those aren't the same thing. Are they agreeing with the 1st statement and also adding a 2nd statement? Did they misunderstand the 1st statement? Are they misrepresenting the 1st statement to mean something it didn't? (this one is what it looks like to me at first glance). So I made you take a stance on whether you agreed with his original statement. That removes the option for you to later say you "just misunderstood." That would be HUGELY important if HF were to later flip Red, because it would offer tons of context on whether you were trying to protect him. You've clarified that you agree with the original statement, were also adding a 2nd statement, so I have my answer, and we can move on. Make sense? If I recall correctly this is exactly how the old n00bKing I knew of old was like. Always fussing with fine details I would just gloss over Is this a townread? Cause I just wrote up the same and it makes me townread him. I don't understand this whole thingy about tubesock calling HF medic. Seems like he's being misrepped since he also clarified it sufficiently in my opinion. It does make noobking come out as townie but why is tubesock mafia for any of this? The synopsis was that HF can fakeclaim mafia as town or medic where did tubesock mean it in any other way, poor wording excluded?
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I may just put my vote right back on you. Which is a shame. Because I was completely ready to just vote HF forever, off of what amounts to a 'screw my initial wifomy impression, I don't believe you act this way as town even if I generally find you obstructive as town lately', which admittedly is probably bad play based on emotion but could just possibly hit scum anway.
The cookie was for ignoring the boring mechanics talk and his noob read, which I agreed with. The prickly comment I more or less ignored. (Though your entry did make me think that maybe I should revisit that).
What I don't like is the disjointedness to your return.
Can you tell me in more detail what makes you think moosy and I are town? Posting a lot is a bad answer. I'd prefer specific posts if possible.
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On March 07 2018 21:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Hm, interesting stuff Vivax. Anything else you want to share? Also this is actually NAI and totally game unrelated but ahhhhh Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 20:24 rsoultin wrote:
Meh fuck it.
I have a bad townread on you that's wifomy and it rather not share, and you refuse to help me work through my reads where we disagree.
But that doesn't even make you scum because you just do this shit and for the life of me I don't understand why I have to ask the question ten times when as dar as I can tell you think I'm town.
And before I start whining in a passive aggressively hurtful way (yes I'm deleting what I just wrote) I'm going to leave. Just...Whatever.
##unvote
First impression amg odd entry target for scum.
I'll bother figuring out which of my nullish reads I actually want to vote later. Never change TL mafia never change. What would a game of Mafia with rsoultin be like without her whining about people refusing to help her out.
By the way, this was unnecessary.
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