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On March 07 2018 16:13 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:58 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 15:44 Tubesock wrote:
Uh it was pretty clear you were going to vote me so the timing wasn’t relevant at all. It wasn't clear to ME that I was going to vote against you, until you made the post that I identified as being the one that actually caused me to place the vote. Tubesock wrote:
I’ll even go a step further, you’re not going to vote anyone else today. lol, guess we'll see, huh? Meanwhile, you're still not answering the question. Third time: In addition to not wanting to talk to AMG about whether it's scum-indicative for players to be prickly, why did you also not want to talk to him about me, the thing you claimed to be "more interested in" at the time, and a topic where you knew he had a differing opinion? Why would you not want to bounce your thoughts about me off of other players, unless you already knew my allegiance? I didn’t think it would be a beneficial conversation. While I will bounce off ideas with people I trust, I generally talk with people to get a read on them not the subject of the conversation. While even asking him to clarify things about you, they would not likely change or affect my read on you. Especially considering AMG’s and my differences. And I didn’t think what he said would offer me any insights on him.
You say you talk to people to get a read on them, yet you declined my attempts to drag you into a conversation about my reads. The conversation was not about n00bking even if he was being discussed. The conversation was about letting me get a better read on you, and you getting a read on me. That's how this game works. If you didn't think what I said would offer any further insights on my alignment, why wouldn't you then ask what you thought were the right questions of me then try and get an insight?
I feel like i'm going to get frustrated with this conversation if we go round again.
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Who should be the D1 lynch, Tubesock?
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On March 07 2018 14:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.
If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch? Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. *shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose? meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin. For anyone to purposely be "holding their vote" at this stage just seems dumb to me. If Tubesock would be your lynch, put your vote on him. If it would be someone else, put your vote on them instead. If you're Town, you should want the voting record to be reflective of people's intentions. I'm tired of reading about what you kinda/sorta/maybe want to do, except that you have to talk to daddy damdred first.
no can do buddy sorry I do things my own way.
On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question?
The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred.
On March 07 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Chaoser has been on this forum even longer than I have. Back when PM games used to be the norm and you used to get clues from the host every cycle. Hes pretty good/reasonable when he can resist the urge to troll, but that urge strikes him pretty often.
chaoser sounds exactly like me. When is this man entering the thread I need to meet him.
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On March 07 2018 07:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
So in conclusion, I think I would vote either rsoultin or the person rsoultin is voting, vivax, because vivax afks as scum and I'd bus him asap if he was on my team.
Inb4 rsoultin says she doesn't bus
-flicks-
First thought is this seems awfully self-aware.
Second thought is this isnt unreasonable because obviously anyone would bus an afk vivax. (Not sure I would do so first unless the scum team were exactly vivax, tube and myself, but then again vivax could have asked to be bussed too, so whatever. Point is the thought process is fine.)
Like I think your entire thought process is reasonable, if you think I'm just going after low-hanging fruit.
But it just feels more antagonistic than it should to me. I'm not sure if a town FF is this taunting. Meh.
Wish you'd talk about other things so I can decide where you sit outside of null.
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Meh. After catching up, pages 21 and 22 feel like complete filler.
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On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows.
It certainly was this way at one point, with the afking as scum. (And yes vivax can be a town asset for sure.)
Though now I'm curious why HF doesn't apparently agree. It was a bit ago when vivax replaced into an 'unlynchable' scum slot because people wifomed incorrectly, and managed to get himself lynched (i think immediately even), and hf led the charge on that despite being the auhor of said incorrect WIFOM.
I have one possible explanation. Maybe two. But I want to hear what HF says.
Also what specifically bugs him about df so much to put him that low. DF seemed to suggest that my reason for townreading him was only fine because I don't know him so well so maybe I'm giving him too easy a pass, but I thought his posting was pretty good on his return. What are you seeing that I'm not hf?
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oh shit it's a wild rsoultin
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On March 07 2018 17:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh shit it's a wild rsoultin
Hi Moosy.
I do have a question for you actually.
Why are you waiting on Damdred? Cause obv your one vote won't kill me and can be changed.
And I also don't see how his opinion fits into your world view? You seem by your narrative (sorry, but that's what it is) to believe that Damdred is both good at reading me but also that I'm playing to my town meta as scum specifically to fool him.
So what information do you actually get out of his opinion?
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On March 07 2018 17:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:42 n00bKing wrote:On March 07 2018 12:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On March 07 2018 12:34 Tubesock wrote:
I don't understand why you towned Damdred for that "Good man, it won't be me (but it was)" comment. Can you expand that please? Add this question too to the list of things Tube seems like he's just throwing out trying to make stick. I'm going to leave to finish my essay I actually have to do by tonight but I want feedback from other people on what they think. If anyone legitimately wants me to explain this read though also, just say so and I will when I get back. Sure, I'll raise my hand for this one. If you think explaining it will be counter-productive for the Town, say that. Otherwise...stop avoiding Tubesock's question? The post was really light and jokey and metagamey and toney which are all things I see town Damdred doing. It's a tonal read so that's about as good as the description gets but I've actually played a fair amount of games with Damdred and this seems town Damdred.
Then I don't understand the need to conceal this answer, when Tubesock asks you about it.
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Nh
I'm kind of in the same I like his tone but he's not really doing anything boat on tube as the rest of the thread. Don't think that his response makes him town AMG and I would have hoped for more, but if he's town looking at the same game I am I can see not having any scum reads to speak of lol ><
I still think the pussy play of lynching a vivax is optimal here.
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On March 07 2018 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Actually df I've reread your filter and I think you're below prplhz instead. Lots of holes and pointlessness imo.
@HF more specifically, what did you mean by the bolded? Because I read that as you seeing things that don't line up.
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On March 07 2018 18:02 rsoultin wrote:Hi Moosy. I do have a question for you actually. Why are you waiting on Damdred? Cause obv your one vote won't kill me and can be changed. And I also don't see how his opinion fits into your world view? You seem by your narrative (sorry, but that's what it is) to believe that Damdred is both good at reading me but also that I'm playing to my town meta as scum specifically to fool him. So what information do you actually get out of his opinion?
This is a good question. The thing is, he still hasn't addressed what I've said about you so I still don't know what he thinks about it or if he's revised his thoughts on you. So who knows if his world view is actually similar to mine or not. This is also my way of baiting him to contribute more so I can also judge him more accurately since he has contributed very little. While tonally he's town for me there's not much substance to actually go off of.
This is also something I normally do in general unless I'm trolling and voting for myself. I use someone more experienced(?) I guess is the word to ping my thoughts off of.
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On March 07 2018 18:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 18:02 rsoultin wrote:On March 07 2018 17:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
oh shit it's a wild rsoultin Hi Moosy. I do have a question for you actually. Why are you waiting on Damdred? Cause obv your one vote won't kill me and can be changed. And I also don't see how his opinion fits into your world view? You seem by your narrative (sorry, but that's what it is) to believe that Damdred is both good at reading me but also that I'm playing to my town meta as scum specifically to fool him. So what information do you actually get out of his opinion? This is a good question. The thing is, he still hasn't addressed what I've said about you so I still don't know what he thinks about it or if he's revised his thoughts on you. So who knows if his world view is actually similar to mine or not. This is also my way of baiting him to contribute more so I can also judge him more accurately since he has contributed very little. While tonally he's town for me there's not much substance to actually go off of. This is also something I normally do in general unless I'm trolling and voting for myself. I use someone more experienced(?) I guess is the word to ping my thoughts off of.
I get that, I just don't get why Damdred's opinion specifically you feel should inform yours.
Nevermind. While I was breaking down the if-thens I realized I was only looking at it from the perspective of his continuing to townread me, which should mean nothing to you since you think I'm playing him.
But his scumreading me would reinforce your read so I guess his opinion would have value to you in that sense.
It's a bit annoying that you can't see how I'm town here though, to be honest.
While I can see this she had a couple different reads early game and we usually see the game the same way thought process (although I honestly don't remember that being true to the extent that you're putting weight in it), and I see that you like this they're trying to appear towny argument for calling people scum, so the thought process is likely true...
I think I'm pretty clearly town this game. And I have no idea how to get you refocused onto helping me find scum when you seem determined to call me scum for having a different Damdred read and painting everything else scummy from that starting point.
It does confuse me that you're waiting on Damdred though since in my mind nothing he says would convince you I was town anyway.
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I'm short I understand talking to him but not why his opinion has any bearing on your vote?
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On March 07 2018 16:58 n00bKing wrote:
Who should be the D1 lynch, Tubesock?
Well, I guess Tubesock either left or "left" before he could answer. But I'm off to bed, so if anyone sees Tubesock tomorrow before I've made it back to the thread, please remind him of this question.
Because we know that when he returned to the thread, it was without scumreads, and then he said this to Moosy:
On March 07 2018 12:23 Tubesock wrote:
To some extent, shouldn't I be doing whatever I can to find an alternative wagon? you even say "Tubesock do something productive" so isn't looking for another wagon outside of me "productive"?
And the answer to those questions is...yes. But it didn't look to me like he actually *did* it, so check on his progress tomorrow. The more uncertainty there is about who will be the D1 lynch, the more value there is in getting Tubesock's answer about who he believes it *should* be. So the sooner it happens, the better.
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On March 07 2018 18:40 n00bKing wrote:Well, I guess Tubesock either left or "left" before he could answer. But I'm off to bed, so if anyone sees Tubesock tomorrow before I've made it back to the thread, please remind him of this question. Because we know that when he returned to the thread, it was without scumreads, and then he said this to Moosy: Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 12:23 Tubesock wrote:
To some extent, shouldn't I be doing whatever I can to find an alternative wagon? you even say "Tubesock do something productive" so isn't looking for another wagon outside of me "productive"?
And the answer to those questions is...yes. But it didn't look to me like he actually *did* it, so check on his progress tomorrow. The more uncertainty there is about who will be the D1 lynch, the more value there is in getting Tubesock's answer about who he believes it *should* be. So the sooner it happens, the better.
Fair. Gnite.
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On March 07 2018 18:36 rsoultin wrote:
I'm short I understand talking to him but not why his opinion has any bearing on your vote?
Pretty sure I tried this already. Good luck!
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On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows.
Vivax can absolutely afk as any alignment. Like I said. It's bad to even push the theory he's mafia because of it.
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On March 07 2018 18:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 15:51 n00bKing wrote:
Meanwhile,
Does anyone agree or disagree with rsoul's assessment that the silence from Vivax and Kelsier (and especially Vivax) is more alignment-indicative than it is for chaoser? Does anyone even know chaoser?
I think it's also worth discussing whether any of those players are strong Town assets *when* they are Town. For example, let's say people generally agree that Vivax is more likely than the average player, to no-show a thread while Scum. If it just so happens that he had done it as Town this time, would we be shooting ourselves in the foot in a major way by mislynching him, and losing the services of Town Vivax, cuz maybe he was going to show up later and be a Scum-wrecking machine? Or is it big upside and only small downside? And then same question regarding our other 2 no-shows. Vivax can absolutely afk as any alignment. Like I said. It's bad to even push the theory he's mafia because of it.
When did that change?
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Meh. I'm actually leaning towards thinking I was wrong and you're town rsoultin I just hate to admit it. Suspicions are suspicions though so I'm still keeping my eye on you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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