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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 20:45 GMT
#321
On March 07 2018 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@rsoultin, would you rather lynch tube or anyone in your afk/low activity pool? Who would your first pick be and who would your second pick be?


Vivax and Tube would be my main picks right now. And I'm not concerned which comes first, to be frank.

I'm not going to discuss my Tube read right now. It's in progress
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 20:45 GMT
#322
On March 07 2018 05:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
I feel like I'm doing what i want transparently isnwhat i mean.


I don't. Sorry.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 20:46 GMT
#323
On March 07 2018 05:42 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 05:25 rsoultin wrote:
lynchpool: tube, ff, afkers ftw

Still not feeling a prp lynch though he'd prob be next in line afterwards. Followed by hf. Or maybe hf first. Either way I don't really have a problem with either and see reasons to think they could be town.

Your prior thoughts on HF sounded like you were townleaning him. So why might you be open to lynching him before the lynchpool? Do you agree with whoever it was that said HF is the scum player who would be most likely to overcome the town-favored setup? Or...what? I don't get this.

(maybe you just meant HF "first" before prp and not "first" before everyone?)


Yes, first before prp. I'm obviously not lynching a townlean before my lynch pool, lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 20:48 GMT
#324
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?

My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences:

Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours!

Hey guys do you have any thoughts?

The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving.

Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:
On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known.


Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was)

idk I'm not good at this game tho
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 20:49 GMT
#325
Now I'm going to play heroes before Lex goes to work. Feel free to leave any more questions.

But basically if y'all don't like that I'm narrowing a lynchpool D1 through townreads, and that my reads change with new info in the thread, you can suck it.

I don't invent reads just to satisfy the masses.

Toodles.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 20:50 GMT
#326
On March 07 2018 05:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Man noobking if you're scum I'll be super impressed. Bleeding town on top of talking about host interactions in thread makes you lock green to me forever

I always make sure to set up an IV drip of green food coloring for my bloodstream, when I pull a scum role.
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 06 2018 20:50 GMT
#327
On March 06 2018 16:47 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:45 AMG wrote:
Tubesock, I implied you were mafia by your reaction and said someone you thought was scummy was almost certainly town.. you dont think either of those warrants further investigation or a response?


Nope.

I think the idea that only scum get salty is hilarious. You also don't seem to understand why I was "pricky". Do you understand what I didn't like about n00bking?


I'm trying to wrap my head around what you took issue with with n00bking prior to this post.

He says talking strategy is fine early, and he does so, but discussing a d2 mass claim is a discussion better had on day 2, I assume, because there are still things to unfold before day 2, I.e the lynch and the night actions.

I don't see hypocracy or inconsistency in what n00bking is saying.

Since this happened and there's been a pretty big pushback on your attempt to cast shade on him, you're now townreading him because he's too nitpicky with finer details, so he's now town.

Is that an accurate summation of your read progression on n00bking?

And now if noobking is town, where to from here, who is your next prime suspect?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 20:50 GMT
#328
On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

Most of this is feel based. Normally when I read rsoultin posts I'm thinking they're good points and agreeing with them because they line up with my thought process. But in this game it's like, again, she's on a completely different planet. Something I noticed really early on.

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 06 2018 16:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 16:04 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum?

My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences:

Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours!

Hey guys do you have any thoughts?

The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving.

Huh. See this just shows how differently people approach the game than me. I thought he was towny because of this post.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2018 08:51 Damdred wrote:
On March 06 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will always be healing my biggest scum read and I shall make it known.


Good man, I know it won't be me (but it was)

idk I'm not good at this game tho


?

His reads came after mine. Like, really? The tunnel is real.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 20:51 GMT
#329
@Damdred and @noobking. What do you guys think about what I've said about rsoultin so far? Also anyone else that cares to contribute.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 20:53 GMT
#330
On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 20:57 GMT
#331
On March 07 2018 05:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Damdred and @noobking. What do you guys think about what I've said about rsoultin so far? Also anyone else that cares to contribute.

I think I don't see what you're seeing. I stood back and let her answer your line of questioning herself, so as not to interfere in your interrogation, but the change in her perception of DF didn't look like a "flip flop" to me. Almost all of his posts (and all of his meaningful posts) came after her initial impression of him. Seems perfectly reasonable that someone's views on another player could substantially change once that other player actually...like...starts saying things.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 20:57 GMT
#332
On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch?

Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town. I might be getting super tinfoily here which is why I'm asking for feedback.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
AMG
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia298 Posts
March 06 2018 21:04 GMT
#333
On March 07 2018 05:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Damdred and @noobking. What do you guys think about what I've said about rsoultin so far? Also anyone else that cares to contribute.


I don't get malice when I read rsoultins filter. It's care free and fun. I think there are absolutely better lynches to be had elsewhere, but I think your heart is in the right place.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 21:04 GMT
#334
On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:
On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch?

Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town.

*shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
March 06 2018 21:09 GMT
#335
In fact, as we approach the mid-point of the Phase here, I think everyone should be placing votes. The more people make votes and move votes, the more information can be gleaned from looking at the voting record later. I don't want 2 or 3 active players to pick a lynch, and then see a bunch of lurkers tack on their votes at the last minute. (proverbial last minute, even if not literal last minute)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 06 2018 21:22 GMT
#336
Day 1 Vote Count

Tubesock (3): Holyflare, n00bking, AMG
Damdred (0): rsoultin (x)

Not Voting (10): chaoser, prplhz, darthfoley, Fecalfeast, Damdred, KelsierSC, MoosyDoosy, Tubesock, Vivax, rsoultin


Tubesock currently stands as the lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 07 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 21:25 GMT
#337
Vivax is prob the best counterwagon to Tubesock. There's a very real possibility that I may change my vote, but as I said...of the afker's, his absence is the most alignment indicative.

##vote: Vivax

We need a counterwagon, if only to get discussion into the thread.

Even if Moosy feels that I should be that counterwagon

It's actually a little flattering, after the initial frustration, that he thinks I'm that conniving a scum player. I think it's fair to say that a scum!rsoul does cater a bit to Damdred but I think that only extends to defending him? I can't actually remember because it's been too long.

@Moosy...there was no reason for me to change my reads so that he would townread me when he was already townreading me for different reads.

If you have any legitimate gripes that you'd like to discuss, let me know.

There's very little that I can say other than I changed my reads. If you think those changes were unnatural, I can explain the reasons. If you think that changing reads in generaly is scummy:

1) That's simply wrong, and not just because you have my alignment wrong, and
2) Have fun?

Cause yeah, my reads did change.

Who are the other scum with me, then?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 21:32 GMT
#338
On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:
On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch?

Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town.

*shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose?

meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2018 21:34 GMT
#339
On March 07 2018 06:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2018 06:04 n00bKing wrote:
On March 07 2018 05:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On March 07 2018 05:53 n00bKing wrote:
On March 07 2018 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything, rsoultin changes her reads to conform to Damdred's over time. Considering how hard Damdred townread rsoultin I think she's metagaming him to seem townie and working around his reads because she knows he can read her.

If rsoul were scum and "knows damdred can read her" then why would she draw his eyes to her by making him her early scumread and pushing for his lynch?

Metagame. Damdred said this is what he'd expect from town rsoultin so she might be doing it as scum to make him she's town.

*shrug* You can ask Damdred whether he thinks that's something she's likely to try. Anyway, she seems willing to engage with you (even while simultaneously saying there's no way you could get her lynched) so feel free to keep needling her (she's at least giving us plenty of content to try and nail her with later, if she IS scum) but don't let yourself fall into the "tunnel" she talked about. You haven't placed a vote, right? If the day ended in 2 hours instead of 26 hours, who do you think should get the noose?

meh. I'm holding my vote until Damdred comes back and responds to my thoughts. But I am probably going to vote for Tubesock here. There aren't really any other convincing arguments for me other than him and my own suspicions on rsoultin.

-pokes-

Are you deadset on ignoring me?

Cause it feels to me like you've decided I'm scum for WIFOM and having a read you didn't agree with early on and now you're just tuning me out.

If that's how you plan to proceed, please let me know so that I can stop wasting posts attempting to clarify things for you.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
March 06 2018 21:35 GMT
#340
On March 07 2018 06:25 rsoultin wrote:
If you have any legitimate gripes that you'd like to discuss, let me know.

There's very little that I can say other than I changed my reads. If you think those changes were unnatural, I can explain the reasons. If you think that changing reads in generaly is scummy:

1) That's simply wrong, and not just because you have my alignment wrong, and
2) Have fun?

Cause yeah, my reads did change.

Who are the other scum with me, then?

What exactly did darthfoley say that made you change your read on him? Also for Damdred. You never really actually detailed why you suddenly started townreading Damdred.

Just for the record, it's fine if you change reads everyone does that.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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