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On February 18 2018 11:05 Holyflare wrote: Idk it looks extremely town favoured to me unless the mafia medic works differently. This. Maybe it would be less town-favored if it were an even/odds thing? For example: Odds (1 or 3 medics) target is saved, Evens (2 or 4 medics) target dies. That should be less easy for town to break I think. | ||
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On February 18 2018 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure how you break this game but if you can, i'd like to hear how? Vig shot instead of medic saves. I.e. medics would never target townreads -shrugs- I mean, yeah, if townies look the scummiest that can still be bad for town but... | ||
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As long as you have at least two town medics you can effectively have a night lynch with nothing mafia can do about it unless they succesfully blue hunt and rb. If people don't play intelligently yes it's swingy. And of course mafia can still win by looking townier than a lot of town players. I just feel like the baseline is in town's favor. Thus the odds and evens suggestion that I feel would be harder for town medics to play around. But I'm still fine with trying it out as is  | ||
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On February 19 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk why? You'd still have to guess 2 blues and hit with both rbs to prevent the vigi shot. I think the odd - even suggestion you made makes the game random fest. I suppose it prevents claiming to some extent to have two roleblockers, but that is really the extent of its usefulness imo. And yes, my suggestion randomizes it. You're correct. But it also means one thing that you're missing: the vig shot can't be coordinated in thread. If multiple medics = death you can openly coordinate in thread and expect the town medics to use their 'saves' as a lynch. If odd medics = save, then three medics on one person is not a vig shot, and mafia can decide whether or not to make it one. This is similar with two medics on one person...mafia can choose to save or kill an openly coordinated medic target. My suggestion is meant to prevent town from organizing night lynches, or at least make it harder. No more, no less. Otherwise medics can vig whoever they want without claiming. | ||
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On February 19 2018 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with the odd-even suggestion imo is that the best play is to just not use medics at all (since youre more likely to get fucked by mafia medic in case you try to coordinate something -- or town medic(s) if you don't coordinate) until mafia medic is dead, and imo it kinda defeats the idea of the game. I don't really understand how having a (coordinated) "unlimited shot vigi" is imba, because it really isn't. It is just a night lynch which you can decide to use or not to use. If you lynch mafia people you win, if not, you lose, just like in normal lynches. Like if you have a vigilante in the game does it make the vigi role imba that townies can say who they want the vigilante to kill? It doesn't. -shrugs- I doubt we'll agree, Joni. I've lost interest in this argument entirely, sorry. We'll just have to see how it goes. | ||
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On February 20 2018 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: wait so instead of potentially reducing town KP you want to give every faction much KP. well whatever. :D Wait, I got a strongman confused with a soup kill. Disregard that. A one-shot soup kill would be good to counter claims. | ||
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Lol, why not? Besides, soup kills aren't new  Really, though, it's fine if we just try it as is. I may be overthinking it anyway | ||
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Edit: though with Lex working nights I probably won't wait for my role pm before going to bed lol >< he's my morning alarm | ||
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On March 06 2018 15:24 AMG wrote: Being prickly is scummy. You have to accept that people are going to ping you in this game. A prickly reaction usually comes from someone trying to hide something and reacting poorly. I don't have an opinion for or against people discussing strategy or mass claiming. I'll be spending my calories focusing on the psychology of players as opposed to trying to game mechanics. I don't find noobking scummy at all, I'm actually pretty certain he's town You get a cookie. | ||
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On March 06 2018 15:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: OMG ITS RSOULTIN HI Hi moosy! Kinda bored with the setup talk. Ian (Damdred) is giving me scum vibes. Anyone you want to talk about? | ||
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! -takes back the cookie- | ||
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On March 06 2018 16:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: I thought Damdred was pretty town so far what makes you think he's scum? My impression of his game so far can be boiled down to two sentences: Hey guys how should we play the setup that doesn't matter for another 48 hours! Hey guys do you have any thoughts? The first is fine if he were trying to get reads, but given the lack of reads he apparently got from it hes coming across to me as existing rather than solving. | ||
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On March 06 2018 16:04 Tubesock wrote: What don't you like? I like the idea of having a second medic vote, so that's the singular reason I gave him town points. I'm terrible at reading tone, lol so am I right in saying you have a tone read on him? Less tone and more not contributing anything. And no I don't count suggesting the optimal strategy both hf and I pointed out pre-game as a contribution. <- Also thought someone else made that anyway but yeah. It doesn't substantially change my read. Hf and I were going to push that strat anyway so weaksauce. | ||
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On March 06 2018 16:05 n00bKing wrote: Talking about D2 mass claim is a distraction, when we're not in D2. Again, we'll have more information on whether a D2 mass claim would be beneficial once we're actually IN D2. If we tried to make a decision about it now, something could happen before then that changes the equation. Talking about whether to mass claim on D2 during D1 prevents scumhunting by letting the thread be clogged up with a decision that can't be acted on yet, based on variables that could be completely different by the time it CAN be acted on. It also needlessly lengthens the thread, making it tougher to re-read later. And then I went back to talking about mass claiming. YUP. Because the decision to make on Day ONE is whether or not we should have a mass claim on Day ONE. THIS is what we should be talking about. But first, I'd sure like verification from the Narrator on whether the setup is the one posted in the OP, or the one he said he'd be changing it to, because that also changes the equation. I'd say no, thus, bored. Let's talk reads! | ||
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On March 06 2018 08:34 Damdred wrote: Welcome town Fecalfeast, and maybe so moosydoosy. But do you think we should have a secondary vote and force the medics to act as a vig shot every night for our second kill? Okay yeah fair it was him. As I said though this is null -shrugs- | ||
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On March 06 2018 16:12 Tubesock wrote: You're not wrong. I guess I'm giving Damdy slack since I think the only person who's done anything was n00bking. I don't count HF due to NAIness of what he did. I'd actually put HF as slightly towny. It's mostly nai particularly given the earlier discussion but there's a dismissiveness and directness to the claim that I like. A scum HF might be more tempted to sit on the strat to see if town derps before committing. | ||
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On March 06 2018 16:16 Holyflare wrote: What is this op without filters I know ;o; This is awful for my shit memory. | ||
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