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On March 12 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote: We can just yolo onto who we think is scum anyway and say fuck the risk, but not if vivax is going to be obstinate.
If it were just me I'd play it safe because I don't know who the scum is. Some of the others of you seem more convinced. I think I'd still prefer HF, and I know Vivax has dug in his heels against an HF shot.
I'd say that vivax forcing a split shot is at best anti-town, and at worst a deliberate attempt to cause confusion and get town to spread out over multiple targets. In terms of yolo shots, I might actually prefer a shot on him if he refuses to set aside his stubborness. Definitely would regardless if not for the fact that it would be even more damaging to wrongly shot a town medic than a vt.
You having a fucking laugh?
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On March 12 2018 07:06 darthfoley wrote: I mean when you stop and think about it, the scum medic has to sow confusion because he basically loses if the town medics get it right.
Indeed.
Which makes it far more likely that the scum medic is either FF or Vivax. FF could be just camping and letting people run themselves around like chickens with their heads cut off. And the scum motivation for Vivax being a cowboy is abundantly clear.
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On March 11 2018 23:49 darthfoley wrote:So something i've been sitting on for a while but didn't want to necessarily bring up is Vivax's scum meta. I've played a few games with Vivax, albeit not recently, but I remember he is well known for being bad at scum. I also remember people saying in previous games "scum!Vivax can play decently for a day, at most two, but after that he becomes pretty obvious." Why wouldn't you have scum!Vivax claim medic during the mass claim? It effectively takes 100% of the pressure off of him for the next 2 days, not allowing him to put his foot in his proverbial mouth. It's also a credible claim because he's been pretty townread day 1 so hey, why not? I encourage you people to control + F Vivax's filter about prplhz. Yes, prplhz didn't really give anyone much to work with, but Vivax's interactions about prplhz boil down to this: + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2018 05:12 darthfoley wrote: Okay i've caught up.
AMG and n00b are pretty townie ATM. I think Damdred is kinda townie right now actually, for once. Maybe rsoultin too, because I agree with her about Tubesock. He might be mafia, but not for the reasons HF is pushing. The medic thing is really NAI even if it's "strange"
Lynch pool of prplhz, FF and Tubesock for the time being. I really didn't like how FF announced his first read, then felt the need to explain why he's scumreading prplhz in the next post. I think you either 1) do both in one post or 2) announce your scum read, then explain it if asked. Just felt a tad like he's trying to make sure everyone knows he has reasoning behind his scumread, if that makes sense. A loveless post. This dude and this dude are town atm. I think this dude is kinda townie right now actually, for once [are you sure you didn't forget to add anything, df] Maybe this dudess is is town too because I agree with her about that dude. Lynch these three dudes for the time being. Here's an explanation for one of them: I didn't like that he didn't post both read and reasons in one post [which could be said for AMG]. Peace out. This could be a chainsaw post, but not particularly the most salient point. Fwiw, he also chainsaws AMG (who was the first on prplhz) decently hard throughout the day. Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 04:23 Vivax wrote: FF what's with your prplhz SR? Care to flesh it out?
For all I know he took a stance similar to mine in regards to the AMG tubesock discussion.
His filter doesn't make me lean either way. Why you? Delicate null lean. It's also interesting that he claims prplhz took a similar stance as him in the AMG/TS discussion, but still calls him null. Why? Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 07:41 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 07:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 07:28 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote ##Vote: Noobking
Cause he still hasn't explained how the hell he goes from summing up reasons for voting prpl, then voting Kelsier instead when tubesock isn't happening. Yeah, no. Not voting for him. Saying you have 'no reason' to townread someone does not read to me as more scummy than outright saying you think afkers this game are more likely to be scum because of the balance. I don't necessarily agree with his thoughts, but the vote makes sense in context to me. Well the explanation isn't coming today either, but in my opinion what he did is serious bs. Serious scummy BS. I find his filter pretty hard to follow and will probably reserve an hour or so tomorrow reading it as he wasn't spare with words. Currently just juggling the question: prplhz or df if noobking isn't happening for what he did. Out of nowhere, Vivax now has prplhz in his two man lynch possibilities. Show nested quote +On March 08 2018 07:52 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 07:45 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 07:41 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2018 07:37 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2018 07:28 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote ##Vote: Noobking
Cause he still hasn't explained how the hell he goes from summing up reasons for voting prpl, then voting Kelsier instead when tubesock isn't happening. Yeah, no. Not voting for him. Saying you have 'no reason' to townread someone does not read to me as more scummy than outright saying you think afkers this game are more likely to be scum because of the balance. I don't necessarily agree with his thoughts, but the vote makes sense in context to me. Well the explanation isn't coming today either, but in my opinion what he did is serious bs. Serious scummy BS. I find his filter pretty hard to follow and will probably reserve an hour or so tomorrow reading it as he wasn't spare with words. Currently just juggling the question: prplhz or df if noobking isn't happening for what he did. I'll take prp over df. I really think df is town here, though I'm not going to pretend that he's someone that I'm sure I can read. But why not tube? Hard to find an answer to that within 10 minutes. Right off the bat there is no reason not to lynch tube that comes to mind. I'd have kept him over prpl for D1. But since prpl isn't voting, might as well vote TS.
The vote doesn't sit too right with me after arguing lots of the day about all his qualms with AMG and noobking, but what alternative do I have? Literally the only reason I have is the lack of scumhunting, but it's hard to tell if it's cause he was pushed into the defensive or cause he's mafia. meh ##Unvote ##Vote: Tubesock This is not only terrible logic, but also very awkwardly worded. Idk, I just hate this post a lot. As soon as rsoultin takes Vivax up on his "prplhz or df" possibilities, Vivax immediately backs down and say "well rats, golly gee, I just don't have enough info to make a decision (despite the fact that I just talked about lynching into one of those two!) His main reason to vote TS is that he's trying to survive (NAI) other someone who hasn't voted??? Really? Prplhz was a viable lynch wagon with two votes (AMG, darthfoley) with about 50 minutes before deadline and Vivax was around. He even makes this post while prplhz has two votes on him. Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 01:18 Vivax wrote: I'm fine with agreeing with you and HF and going for prplhz as vig target. Let's start our own votecount or something?
##Vote prplhz
(for getting vigidoctored) Credit to him for being on board with the prplhz vigdoctor, but I question the overall importance of a roleblocker in a setup like this. The medic seems infinitely more important. Roleblocker only really matters if medics split their votes, which we had decided was NOT going to happen, or if there's two medics left. Prplhz was either gonna get lynched or vigi'd sooner or later. Might as well try to gain as much town cred from it as possible. Show nested quote +On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote: My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though. What's the alternative though. Back to being all mopey about not having alternatives. This is the second time he's literally talked about having no other alternatives. Idk but as town I rarely think in terms of "having alternatives." I'm aware that it's semantics, but I think it may point to an overall scum mindset who is by definition always trying to have alternatives. In short, Vivax's play around prplhz and the EoD in general looks too careful from my POV. ICYMI
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On March 12 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote: We can just yolo onto who we think is scum anyway and say fuck the risk, but not if vivax is going to be obstinate.
If it were just me I'd play it safe because I don't know who the scum is. Some of the others of you seem more convinced. I think I'd still prefer HF, and I know Vivax has dug in his heels against an HF shot.
I'd say that vivax forcing a split shot is at best anti-town, and at worst a deliberate attempt to cause confusion and get town to spread out over multiple targets. In terms of yolo shots, I might actually prefer a shot on him if he refuses to set aside his stubborness. Definitely would regardless if not for the fact that it would be even more damaging to wrongly shot a town medic than a vt. You having a fucking laugh?
-shrugs- I'm sorry if I'm wrong, especially considering I'm having the worst time this game finding who the scum is in the VTs and even the ones that I feel are town are for reasons that are laughably weak even to me.
That's why I said that I would just play it safe and vig koshi even if I really don't expect him to flip scum. I know my limits.
But it doesn't change the fact that, gun to my head, I think you're the most likely non-claim to flip scum here.
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Also I realize this may also mean I was probably wrong on noobking which sucks ass
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I still think if vivax refuses to coordinate vigging him may not be the worst move. I'm not 100% he's scum but I'm more certain on him than on hf, and I think both of them are more likely to flip scum than koshi.
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On March 12 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote: Darthfoley and moosy ars without a doubt in my mind town
why? and what do you make of rsoultin?
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Meh it is what it is. I'll look into noobking again. If there is a world where both noobking and vivax are scum that would be fantastic but I don't know the setup stuff or likelihood of that
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On March 12 2018 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Meh it is what it is. I'll look into noobking again. If there is a world where both noobking and vivax are scum that would be fantastic but I don't know the setup stuff or likelihood of that
Literally impossible m8. They both claimed medic...
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Of course, if I'm right and he's scum, that means it doesn't matter if he's parked on moosy all on his lonesome. -wafflebots-
That requires me to be right though @.@
Consolidating on Koshi is best, I think.
I'm going to stop posting my thoughts ad nauseum into the thread now.
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Real question is if FF is legit afk or legit lurking
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Yeah. Koshi.
At least if there are then three town nks that basically clears Vivax who otherwise I don't see how anyone could be certain he's town.
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It's going to be a glorious night
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On March 12 2018 07:21 Vivax wrote: It's going to be a glorious night
I hope you're scum Because otherwise you're just infuriating. You have to know that the best move is not to split targets, yet you do it anyway.
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Okay, switched my heal to Koshi. Sigh
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On March 12 2018 07:10 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:On March 12 2018 07:04 rsoultin wrote: We can just yolo onto who we think is scum anyway and say fuck the risk, but not if vivax is going to be obstinate.
If it were just me I'd play it safe because I don't know who the scum is. Some of the others of you seem more convinced. I think I'd still prefer HF, and I know Vivax has dug in his heels against an HF shot.
I'd say that vivax forcing a split shot is at best anti-town, and at worst a deliberate attempt to cause confusion and get town to spread out over multiple targets. In terms of yolo shots, I might actually prefer a shot on him if he refuses to set aside his stubborness. Definitely would regardless if not for the fact that it would be even more damaging to wrongly shot a town medic than a vt. You having a fucking laugh? -shrugs- I'm sorry if I'm wrong, especially considering I'm having the worst time this game finding who the scum is in the VTs and even the ones that I feel are town are for reasons that are laughably weak even to me. That's why I said that I would just play it safe and vig koshi even if I really don't expect him to flip scum. I know my limits. But it doesn't change the fact that, gun to my head, I think you're the most likely non-claim to flip scum here.
There's literally million people above me it could be.
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Like there's quite literally koshi posting nothing but setup and inaccurate statements, there's slam jumping back and forth between opportune targets on noob and me but not quite really saying anything etc etc.
I don't think it's good enough to say you're having a hard time but also saying I'm mafia while doing absolutely nothing at all to figure me out. That's just bad, not "a hard time".
What makes me mafia?
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On March 12 2018 07:16 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 07:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Meh it is what it is. I'll look into noobking again. If there is a world where both noobking and vivax are scum that would be fantastic but I don't know the setup stuff or likelihood of that Literally impossible m8. They both claimed medic... Yeah you're probably right. I'm like 90%+ Vivax is Mafia here but I'll do a look over again.
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On March 12 2018 07:32 Holyflare wrote: Like there's quite literally koshi posting nothing but setup and inaccurate statements, there's slam jumping back and forth between opportune targets on noob and me but not quite really saying anything etc etc.
I don't think it's good enough to say you're having a hard time but also saying I'm mafia while doing absolutely nothing at all to figure me out. That's just bad, not "a hard time".
What makes me mafia?
Feels mostly, that I'm not 100% convinced by -shrugs-
And I agree that half the people in this game on a good day don't look as good as a mediocre HF scum day. That's just the reality.
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Is there anything else I should look into other than noobking again.
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