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Talent vs Hard Work in StarCraft

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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1547 Posts
June 13 2024 21:21 GMT
#1
franklyyes
Profile Joined May 2024
13 Posts
June 14 2024 00:11 GMT
#2
Yes?
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1256 Posts
June 14 2024 02:22 GMT
#3
Sea just continuing having his reputation ruined lol

Also have never heard of Air before, sad
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8916 Posts
June 14 2024 04:14 GMT
#4
thank you jinjin!
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States738 Posts
June 14 2024 04:19 GMT
#5
Poor Air omg that's so brutal. Especially with like 6 hotties all flocked around Sea hanging on his every word. Chad gamer, but ooof feels bad man.
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avanhokie
Profile Joined May 2017
50 Posts
June 14 2024 04:24 GMT
#6
On June 14 2024 13:19 ThunderJunk wrote:
Poor Air omg that's so brutal. Especially with like 6 hotties all flocked around Sea hanging on his every word. Chad gamer, but ooof feels bad man.


Knowing sea he will come up short when it counts
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51622 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-14 07:51:41
June 14 2024 07:51 GMT
#7
crazy to think that nada was also in this category except he actually practiced and won when it mattered
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JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
June 14 2024 09:48 GMT
#8
Nothing new, it's like the saying "You can't make a whistle out of every tree." I mean, no matter how much I train or like basketball and enjoy playing it, no amount of basketball training, best coaches, conditions and all, none of it will prevent LeBron James from crushing me 100% every game.
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Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6776 Posts
June 14 2024 11:30 GMT
#9
LMAO sea
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-15 12:10:19
June 15 2024 06:10 GMT
#10
Hard work is pretty useless if the work, in this case the training, is inefficient and ineffective.

60 games a day doesn't sound like good training but blind grinding. Might be good to get perfect at a specific strategy, like right before an upcoming tournament (like Sea did, seemingly), but not as a general routine.
How much thought can you put into your game on top of that? Having good mechanics and execution is essential but at some point the rate of improvements at those will drop drastically, and getting 1 or 2 % better won't give you an edge anymore if everyone around you is at >95%, too.

Seems to say a lot about the coaching, too, which cannot be good if it allows for a player to wear himself out like that.

Generally I also think that talent (which most of the time is already a combination of nature and nurture up to a certain age) is really important for the hard work to be able to pay off.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-15 12:11:17
June 15 2024 12:09 GMT
#11
On June 15 2024 15:10 Highgamer wrote:
Hard work is pretty useless if the work, in this case the training, is inefficient and ineffective.

60 games a day doesn't sound like good training but blind grinding. Might be good to get perfect at a specific strategy, like right before an upcoming tournament (like Sea did, seemingly), but not as a general routine.
How much thought can you put into your game on top of that? Having good mechanics and execution is essential but at some point the rate of improvements at those will drop drastically, and getting 1 or 2 % better won't give you an edge anymore if everyone around you is at >95%, too.

Seems to say a lot about the coaching, too, which cannot be good if it allows for a player to wear himself out like that.

Generally I also think that talent (which most of the time is already a combination of nature and nurture up to a certain age) is really important for the hard work to be able to pay off.



Specifically in the present day with tons of research and case studies supporting the notion that Quality of practice > quantity of practice. A shorter practice block with a very high specificity(a focus on something very specific) has been proven to be the best way to improve. The more you increase the volume, the more diminished the returns are, but also the more exhausting it becomes for your mental and physical state. In addition non-active practice, things like visualization or studying data(replays and build orders, vods etc), is a great way to improve outside of your high specificity practice blocks.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
June 15 2024 13:38 GMT
#12
whats ruby been upto these days anyway? I remember he used to do bit roles in dramas?
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
June 15 2024 15:12 GMT
#13
On June 15 2024 22:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
whats ruby been upto these days anyway? I remember he used to do bit roles in dramas?

Plays in joker prolagues and coaches
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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1547 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-15 22:18:05
June 15 2024 22:17 GMT
#14
On June 15 2024 22:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
whats ruby been upto these days anyway? I remember he used to do bit roles in dramas?


rizzing up girl streamers and doing date streams....
all while fully committing to keyboard smashing rage phase when he loses in bw
zimp
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary959 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-16 00:27:16
June 16 2024 00:25 GMT
#15
Man this Ruby guy is seariously handsome and has great style. I'm 100% straight but he has the kind of face that Kim Ki Duk would cast in his movies.
Similarly how talent can beat practice, looks can beat effort.
agentzimp
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
June 16 2024 10:38 GMT
#16
On June 16 2024 09:25 zimp wrote:
Man this Ruby guy is seariously handsome and has great style. I'm 100% straight but he has the kind of face that Kim Ki Duk would cast in his movies.
Similarly how talent can beat practice, looks can beat effort.

haha.
this raises the question. who is most talented and who is most handsome?
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7001 Posts
June 16 2024 11:11 GMT
#17
Did Ruby quit acting ? I remember at some point he was part of a long Kdrama lol.
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1547 Posts
June 16 2024 22:58 GMT
#18
On June 16 2024 09:25 zimp wrote:
Man this Ruby guy is seariously handsome and has great style. I'm 100% straight but he has the kind of face that Kim Ki Duk would cast in his movies.
Similarly how talent can beat practice, looks can beat effort.


he turns into a rage tilt machine when he plays games tho.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria492 Posts
June 17 2024 16:21 GMT
#19
From my personal experience playing more than 10-20 games a day greatly diminishes your ability and any games beyond that is pure exhaustion with bad performance. It's a bit hard to imagine 60 competitive 1v1 games in a single day, the majority of these i imagine the person is playing much below their potential. Maybe when you are young you can endure more i don't know, but 20 games is close to maximum capacity at a high level. That's my take at least. I admire Air's tenacity, usually this is a quality that can get you far in many areas in life, but pro Starcraft is a different beast to tame.
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zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States318 Posts
June 17 2024 18:58 GMT
#20
How much does this exaggerate Sea? I don't know much about brood war player lore.
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