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On June 17 2015 20:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 18:30 Rels wrote:It can be summarized in three points I think (scott correct me if I'm wrong): On June 17 2015 05:25 Rels wrote:On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:Oatsmaster could be mafia Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe) + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)
##Vote: Oatsmaster
why would you do this. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide: - don't claim your role
- find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
- say why this 1 person is mafia
- do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
1. Im vt. 2. Bats is mafia. 3. Chezinu rule. ##vote Bats On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?
Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.
I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before? Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.
Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.
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##vote moosygoosy So you're voting along with scum? Interesting. I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against. But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose. And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster. Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself. You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you). LOL So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did? Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat? That's fucking horrible. Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other? LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia. Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy? + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot. Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.
Sulph / damdred mafia.
Scott also maybe. Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above? + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.
Oats asks a lot of questions without followup Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town Oats could be mafia. OK so your case basically is: 1. Oats is not commiting to reads or pushes.. 2. Oats talks a lot but doesn't analyse anything. 3. Oats switched without giving reasons. Mm. I would not lynched over kickstart. But I would lynched over ruxxar. The first two points are definitely true and describes you as someone active but not useful. I'm not sure the third point is that true. I think it's just the consequence of you not describing your thought process at all time. Anyway, I don't think scott's case makes you 100% mafia, but it brings good points. What exactly is "not committing to reads or pushes? Also, i have analysed a decent amount, but regardless, why is not analysing scummy? Why is switching a lot scummy? Anyone can answer these questions btw.
Hey I'll let him defend his case himself. "Not committing" and "switching a lot" can be scum indicators.
I don't want nor have the time to analyse cases or people now. The main things I want to do is look through Sulfu's filters and through the votes. So I'll stop arguing about cases and people behaviour until day 3.
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On June 17 2015 17:38 Rels wrote:
I'll also add moosy [to the town list] for the moment, as I think he was suspicious of Sulfu since the beginning of the game. I need to check this one.
OK I just did that. Moosy casted suspicions on Sulfurus as early as 21 hours into day 1. He was the second to do so, after Kickstart. And where Kickstart's vote was caused by a Sulfu attack on him, moosy's posts about Sulfu weren't, so it wasn't OMGUS. Here are the posts in question:
On June 13 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:40 geript wrote:
I can't be surprised if "people didn't call him scum" if there wasn't something good/obvious to call him scum for wubby To be fair, you did try and point out my post as possible Mafia first, but backed off after Oatsmaster said it might be lynchbait. From there you tried to say it was something that Mafia should have pushed on. As for new players, I'm seeing only Fake)Plants as a possible Mafia tell while Sulfurus might be one and n00bking is barely suspicious.
On June 13 2015 05:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty.
On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me. Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~ What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me. Here's would lynch: 3)MoosyDoosy 4)Sulfurus 7)Fake)Plants 2)batsnacks 3)Trfel here's idk can't form opinion: 6)damdred 1)Rels 4)WaveofShadow 5)geript 5)ruXxar Here's would not lynch: 2)n00bKing 1)Kickstart 6)Oatsmaster HELP Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.
On June 13 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:21 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript? Um...where did I say I suspected batsnacks? I was always making a case against geript. The part I put in quotation marks should have been sufficient to jog your memory. I don't think you want to make a habit of forcing people to go back and dig up YOUR posts so that you can remember what YOU said. The full post was: On June 13 2015 05:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty. And then just a few posts later, you are asking batsnacks to help you out by making a case against either Sulfurus or geript (when geript, who you say is the one you were "always making a case against", was unmentioned in your earlier post). Oh yeah, I did say that. It just seemed that no one was willing to pursue a case against geript at that moment, seeing how no one was talking about him and no one voted for him. Both batsnacks and Sulfurus looked fishy at that time too so I was willing to vote for either. Then WaveofShadows came along and helped the case I was making against geript which was why I went back to it. Either way, I still think geript, Sulfurus, and batsnacks look fishy in that order.
So definitely settled the question of moosy for me. He's town for now.
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They're not 100% scum indicators. They can be scum indicators. A mafia often tries to be active without contributing. So if someone is active and is not contributive, there is a chance he's mafia.
Not committing means being active but not doing cases or explaining their opinions.
Now Oats, I don't want to spend more time doing this. So if you want to ask a question like "why not doing cases is scummy", please don't.
Actually I have a question. Do you find scott's case on you bad ? Or just wrong ? If bad, can you explain why.
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I suppose it's two questions though.
I'm a zealot now \o/
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On June 17 2015 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 21:03 Rels wrote:
They're not 100% scum indicators. They can be scum indicators. A mafia often tries to be active without contributing. So if someone is active and is not contributive, there is a chance he's mafia.
Not committing means being active but not doing cases or explaining their opinions.
Now Oats, I don't want to spend more time doing this. So if you want to ask a question like "why not doing cases is scummy", please don't.
Actually I have a question. Do you find scott's case on you bad ? Or just wrong ? If bad, can you explain why. I already explained why its bad when he asked me. But basically its a bunch of observations. None of it is actually saying why im mafia because of the things ive done, just the things ive done. And its a very generic basic list of "bad" things that people do. Actually, both town and scum do those things. Scott never explained why me doing it is scummy. So scotts case is bad. And hes mafia.
Alright. I'm not so sure about that last sentence anymore due to moosy's point of scott hammering his vote day 1, before everyone switched to geript. But you're right that his post is more a bunch of observations than a case.
And thinking about it, scott came late end of day 1 and threw away his vote with no explanation. He also came late end of day 2 and voted KS, before switching to Sulfu as the last vote if I recall well, or at least the next to last vote. Suspicious.
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On June 17 2015 21:32 batsnacks wrote:
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times.
True. It seems super extreme.
I know ruxxar defended Sulfu against an attack a few hours before EOD. I'll check his filter to see if that was the only time or not.
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On June 17 2015 21:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 21:36 Rels wrote:On June 17 2015 21:32 batsnacks wrote:
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times. True. It seems super extreme. I know ruxxar defended Sulfu against an attack a few hours before EOD. I'll check his filter to see if that was the only time or not. It's not. He was defending sulfurus early d1.
Mm would like a quote on that. The earlier post from ruxxar defending Sulfu I found is 40 hours into the game, so more late day 1.
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OK, in spoiler, the 5 posts I found where ruxxar either soft or hard defends Sulfu.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus.
I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment.
I went through the voting history to see who voted for him.
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I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me.
I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town. Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels. Votecount?How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day. If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless. Ok so here's a thought. You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes? If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town? I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game. Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense? Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN? Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him? Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia. On June 17 2015 05:20 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus's post basically reveals that he would have only lynched Kickstart if everyone else was going to. This basically shows that he's only willing to vote on wagons and never by himself. This correlates to the rest of his play which is disturbing because Mafia generally wishes to follow easy wagons. This is Extremely false: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 Sulfurus wrote:
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats. Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.
##Vote: Oatsmaster I'm also getting tired of your bandwagon argument in every post you make. Do you have anything new to come up with?
Again, this is not a case, just observations for tomorrow. To me ruxxar's defenses posts don't seem that bad, except the last one.
To his credit, ruxxar had a phase he suspected Sulfu (more or less night 1), here is a post of him attacking Sulfu. I don't think it means anything, 'cause you can say what you want during the night and change opinions during the day when opinions really matter.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is likely my final reads post before the daypost. This isn't a ranked list per se, all of the same colors/boldness are in the same tier I think though.
Batsnacks
Play fits previous town play exactly. I don't see any way in hell he pulls off that geript stuff as scum for multiple reasons, including but not limited to risking him looking like balls after the flip, or drawing further attention to those 'scum-mates' he would have apparently tried to save. I just don't see it.
Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)
Trfel Extremely solid play throughout the entirety of D1. Great case on Rels who we should still be lynching. Probably got caught up in geript shenanigans but maybe worth a look into.
RuxxarFor reasons previously stated. Do not agree with nooby even though it is possible it was all some sort of setup. Needs to stop talk about setup though and actually play this game properly to avoid stupid shit like what he pulled.
NoobkingAlso needs to stop talking about setup because it gets us absolutely nowhere. The most experienced of the apparent new players, but as often focused on completely irrelevant matters. When he does scumhunt it is in incredible detail and he is also pretty prominent in thread. Not as big a fan as I was earlier on in the game when I first townread him but still town.
Kickstart I think the problems here have been adequately summarized. He might be worth a vig shot or a check (cop obviously do whatever you want here) because as soon as he was universally townread he left the thread completely and more importantly everyone forgot about him for a long time. Pressure and/or removal likely necessary.
Oats I still lean townish on him because of his early play but he has fallen off immensely. This is alignment non-indicative for him though, but when he HAS been here he hasn't shown anywhere near the degree of effort shown before. I don't treat him the same as Kickstart here (who i'm leaning to the scum side on) because Kickstart started way higher and fell way further.
Damdred Just not even remotely what I'd expect from a player of his calibre. And I'm actually saying that here because he is probably the best player currently in this game. Very little effort, not amazing scumhunting. That being said he has been on the same page as me a lot this game which is a good sign, and I mostly liked his 'late night reads' post. He just needs to do more of it, especially if he's town and I get shot tonight. If he doesn't do more, he is likely coasting on his ability to try when attention is brought up and doesn't actually care what's happening in thread = scum.
Scott Some analysis, but also looking through his filter a lot of jabs and questioning that leads absolutely nowhere (feigning useful activity??) It feels as though he's attempting to figure out the game when around but liek many in the thread there's not a lot to go on. Need a lot more from him to cement things either way.
Rels Probably scum? The points brought up against him are still pretty damning though circumstantially I wonder how likely it is that we had two scum on the block D1 before the geript shenanigans. Still the scummiest of the lot aside from Sulf, so re-evaluate as necessary after Sulf lynch.
Sulfurus Lynch with fire tomorrow. I've called him out, geript called him out, he has still accomplished absolutely nothing warranting a townread. Shows up sporadically to attempt to deflect but does not actually contribute meaningfully.
Lynch target for tomorrow is Sulf. Do not stray the course ladies and gents. As far as the entirety of the team, anyone from the null list could apply here, and it's also possible I am wrong on one of my townreads, but only one. We didn't have an amazing start but we can easily recover from this. Scumhunting was really strong D1 we just have to keep it up as a whole and keep activity up. About sulfurus: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:10 Sulfurus wrote:
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:11 Sulfurus wrote:
Like ask me questions if you want but there's no guarantee I'll answer. Claims he's playing very town, but these statements are incongruent with that. Don't care for this attitude, doesn't seem like a town player wanting to win. Then after trfel makes a case against Rel : Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:17 Sulfurus wrote:
Are you kidding me! Do you see what trfel has done he just took the lynch away from scum!bats right under our noses and pitted town vs town.
Like what incentive do I have to do anything towny if it's just going to get rels lynched.
This make sulfurus and rel look bad together. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Earlier he pushes really hard on batsnacks, which in itself is not strange, but then he uses me as an example of the towniest players in the game, when a lot of people disagreed. It seems like a good excuse to bandwagon on my batsnacks push.
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Actually these two posts are pretty bad too.
On June 16 2015 05:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
He's a shitty town. That doesn't make him mafia.
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
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Wow thanks Wos for that it's pretty interesting.
The two posts I just quoted:
On June 16 2015 05:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
He's a shitty town. That doesn't make him mafia.
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
are even worst when you read this one along:
On June 17 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote:
It wasn't meant in that way.
I'm just bitter that the whole premise on my theory rested on the fact that Sulfur was actually a good player q.q.
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On June 17 2015 22:08 Rels wrote:Wow thanks Wos for that it's pretty interesting. The two posts I just quoted: Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:14 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
He's a shitty town. That doesn't make him mafia. Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
are even worst when you read this one along: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote:
It wasn't meant in that way.
I'm just bitter that the whole premise on my theory rested on the fact that Sulfur was actually a good player q.q.
Wow.
Can anyone give his opinion on that. Cause I'm feeling I'm starting a new tunnel, on ruxxar this time.
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On June 17 2015 22:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
ACTUALLY Oats making tons of sense in his last few posts I wonder if that quote was TMI
What are you talking about ?
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Would be a huge surprise if anyone but Trfel is killed IMO.
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On June 18 2015 02:11 Kickstart wrote:
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God I am terrible at making a point succinctly.
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Hehe that is so true. (=
On June 18 2015 02:11 Kickstart wrote:
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Basically ruxxar made some bullshit list on like the second page of the game where he was suspicious of me and then sulfurus comes in with his first post and votes me and just says 'I agree with ruxxars case', when it was literally nothing;
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Wow that's true, another point in favor of Sulfu + ruxxar.
There is so many hints pointing to that now. When I have time I'll make a case rassembling all those hints.
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On June 17 2015 22:09 WaveofShadow wrote:And for the record I'm going to have to have a second look at ol' batsy. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 17:46 Rels wrote:I also had a thought about batsnacks while sleeping. Two days in a row, he was pretty suspicious of Sulfu, but tried to deflect the lynch from him at EOD. The first day he succeded with a geript case: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. The second day he proposed to switch to scott. Of course he said it jokingly, so we can't know if it's a joke or a disguised attempt. But the fact is that he repeated it several times in the last hour of the day: On June 17 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote:On June 17 2015 06:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
Dude wtf ruxxar giving me cold feet with his feels. What do you mean by this? It means I'm about to vote sulfur and hate myself for it. Unless anyone but me wants to lynch scott which doesn't seem to be the case. On June 17 2015 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
I'm like 75% sure scott is mafia and that's a really high number. On June 17 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:
Shenanies onto scott? On June 17 2015 06:49 batsnacks wrote:
I really, really want to vote scott. On June 17 2015 07:17 batsnacks wrote:
Glad we didn't lynch scott, he's probably just a lowly goon. I admit the last one made me laugh. (= That's not a case, just an observation for future days. Some of this actually started to get me thinking, even though it would require some of the ballsiest scumplay I've ever seen to blatantly attempt to shenanigan a lynch off a scummate at EOD. When combined with D1 stuff it makes things very unlikely but then again Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also i have been in a game where day 1 was between 2 scum.
So meh, not a point I want to believe it's as easy as ruxxar/rels (as the likely final newbies) but blehhhh. ACTUALLY Oats making tons of sense in his last few posts I wonder if that quote was TMI Ugh this game
On June 18 2015 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oats
Kickstart
Rels
Damdred
Ruxxar
Scott
Trfel
Moosy
batsnacks
Now that you went on the offensive, I think you should say your reasons before deadline, in case you're killed.
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Anyway, good night everyone (=
TODO list for tomorrow: vote analysis + ruxxar / Sulf association analysis.
Following WOS post, a thought poped in my head. Moosy, I think it was you that accused ruxxar for this day 1: the fact that ruxxar was voting batsnacks, then without explanation found batsnacks' case wonderful and sheeped / voted geript. If what WOS say is true, that may be an association between BS and ruxx.
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On June 18 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 05:56 Rels wrote:
Anyway, good night everyone (=
TODO list for tomorrow: vote analysis + ruxxar / Sulf association analysis.
Following WOS post, a thought poped in my head. Moosy, I think it was you that accused ruxxar for this day 1: the fact that ruxxar was voting batsnacks, then without explanation found batsnacks' case wonderful and sheeped / voted geript. If what WOS say is true, that may be an association between BS and ruxx. Besides that one incident with geript, which I've already explained earlier, I don't see how me and batsnacks have any connection.
Yeah I don't recall any other myself. But I'll check to be sure. Unflipped association are bad anyway, so I suppose my thought was bad.
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On June 18 2015 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 18 2015 06:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:On June 18 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 18 2015 05:56 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy's posts that is. Wait for him to write up a case. Sounds like a perfect excuse to make some pizza, brb. Woah you make pizza?? protip: use whole whole pita bread as base; add pasta sauce, toppings, and cheese; bake at 400 until bread is crispy on bottom. Seems less like a tip and more like a whole guide.
Héhé that made me laugh (= RIP.
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On June 18 2015 07:30 ruXxar wrote:
Scott.
You were the one to start the train on kickstart, and you reluctantly switched over to sulfur at the end.
Do you still think that kickstart is scum?
That didn't happen. You're making shit up.
He had only light suspicions until Trfel's and my case.
Then much later he had stronger suspicions, but didn't vote him until 17 minutes before deadline:
On June 17 2015 06:43 scott31337 wrote:
##Vote Kickstart
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OK I want to do a vote analysis but official votecounts are not enough. So I will do something we can all use. Will mark timestamp like that: dXhYY, where X is the number of the day, and YY how many hours has passed since the beginning of the day.
Fuck this is taking me way longer than I thought >< I really hope it's going to be useful or I'll be mad.
Day 1
D1H00 Kickstart => Oatsmaster Reasons
D1H01 Trfel => ruxxar Reasons
D1H03 Sulfurus => Kickstart Reasons
D1H03 Kickstart => Sulfurus Reasons
D1H07 Sulfurus => Unvote Reasons
D1H10 noobking => batsnacks Reasons
D1H10 Rels => Fakeplants/scott Reasons
D1H17 ruxxar => batsnacks Reasons
D1H18 Oatsmaster => batsnacks Closest thing to reasons I found
D1H22 WOS => geript Reasons and fake vote D1H04
D1H22 geript => Sulfurus No reasons
D1H24 Trfel => Unvote Reasons
D1H24 batsnacks => Rels Reasons
D1H25 Sulfurus => batsnacks Reasons
D1H25 batsnacks => Sulfurus Reasons
D1H26 Rels => batsnacks Reasons
D1H27 WOS => Sulfurus Reasons
D1H28 Trfel => batsnacks Reasons
D1H28 scott => Sulfurus Reasons
D1H35 Rels => Unvote Reasons
D1H37 Rels => geript Reasons
D1H39 moosy => Sulfurus Reasons D1H29
D1H40 Oatsmaster => geript Reasons ... sort of
D1H45 Trfel => Rels Reasons
D1H45 Damdred => Rels Reasons
D1H45 geript => Rels Reasons
D1H46 scott => Rels Reasons
D1H46 batsnacks => geript Reasons
D1H46 Trfel => geript Reasons
D1H46 Damdred => Rels Reasons
D1H46 moosy => geript Reasons
D1H47 ruxxar => geript Reasons
D1H47 scott => geript No reason
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