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On June 14 2015 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:00 geript wrote:
And wave got added for feels iirc but weekly so. that might have been earlier though You know it's funny I remember unvoting you for feels and now that I'm back and seeing that you haven't done anything, nor am I seeing hardcore scumhunter geript I'm starting to worry again. Would not lynch above Sulf though. Nothing redeeming about that guy whatsoever. Might sheep Trfel too. Really liking him this game. I also remember Damdred and Scott pinging my radar for some reason---something along the lines of not knowing where they stand but I think scott sort of addressed it. Damdred who do YOU want to lynch today aside form 'not batsnacks?'
Hold up now, I've given several,cutting edge opinions besides just don't lynch bat. So let's not misrepresent.
However If you were to say I haven't really expressed any scum reads you would be correct. Besides saying I would lynch Geript anyway.
Something is still pinching me about Geript not being totally right, and I still like the case on rel.
I am not sure I agree with lynching sulfur today though I like a couple points but I'm not sure
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On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
It isn't less likely than having any other Town role, unless the Host is willfully manipulating the setup.
Oatsmaster wrote: Noob, generally people don't discuss blue roles or speculate on the setup because it's easy for mafia to do and it doesn't help us find mafia at all.
So spend your time finding mafia, not town pr.
If "pr" is supposed to mean "power role" then Carl is definitely NOT that. Something with tremendous potential to be a self-destructive liability for the Town, that's what he is. From something I found with a Google search called "Mafia Wiki":
As a general rule, PGO is an anti-Town role because it is more likely to kill Town power roles than scum in all cases except when there are no other Town power roles
For us to keep Carl hidden essentially means we don't understand basic math. And that's without even considering the benefits of looking at which players may have voted against him before he claimed, and knowing that his vote is most likely coming from a Town player that has good intentions. Even if you don't put much weight on those advantages, keeping Carl in hiding is already a mistake anyway.
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On June 13 2015 18:29 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.
can we get confirmation on whether there is 2 or 1 kp?
Please try not to get mod-killed. The rules very clearly state that you are not allowed to make a post like that:
All questions to the hosts must be sent as PMs, do not ask in the thread.
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On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive.
So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum?
that's interesting
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On June 14 2015 03:55 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 14 2015 03:00 geript wrote:
And wave got added for feels iirc but weekly so. that might have been earlier though You know it's funny I remember unvoting you for feels and now that I'm back and seeing that you haven't done anything, nor am I seeing hardcore scumhunter geript I'm starting to worry again. Would not lynch above Sulf though. Nothing redeeming about that guy whatsoever. Might sheep Trfel too. Really liking him this game. I also remember Damdred and Scott pinging my radar for some reason---something along the lines of not knowing where they stand but I think scott sort of addressed it. Damdred who do YOU want to lynch today aside form 'not batsnacks?' Hold up now, I've given several,cutting edge opinions besides just don't lynch bat. So let's not misrepresent. However If you were to say I haven't really expressed any scum reads you would be correct. Besides saying I would lynch Geript anyway. Something is still pinching me about Geript not being totally right, and I still like the case on rel. I am not sure I agree with lynching sulfur today though I like a couple points but I'm not sure
Aside from Trfel just now, I think the entirety of the case to lynch Sulf at this point is 'why not?'
And I can't think of a reason why not.
Geript could just be playing a weak game right now. I had to sit back and think about with his ridiculous contradiction early game actually makes him scum and whereas normally one would think scum would be way too careful to make that mistake, I feel like geript has shit the bed before in a scumgame we played together but I'm too lazy to go back and look it up. If I'm wrong geript you have my permission to yell at me.
One of the things he recently posted about there not being any vets on the scumteam struck me as odd because I don't feel 'good' about any of the vets in this game including you, so I'm not sure how he does. I'm not even sure how he felt good enough about me after our argument (I do get 'feels,' but usually geript can and does explain his reads on me better).
Also random point? Where is Kickstart? Guy blasts out the gate and was the first to vote the likely lynch for today but I don't remember him doing anything in a while.
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On June 14 2015 04:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:29 ruXxar wrote:On June 13 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.
can we get confirmation on whether there is 2 or 1 kp? Please try not to get mod-killed. The rules very clearly state that you are not allowed to make a post like that:
Actually, Onegu said that we could ask in green right afterwards. But, ya know, mod is clear Mafia for contradiction right?
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I'm not lynching Kickstart today.
Geript and Damdred are both playing below the level that I would expect of them. Especially now that I found that post from batsnacks, I could lynch Rels.
Damdred, if you had to lynch someone right now, who would you lynch?
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On June 14 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Who should we lynch today moos Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum? that's interesting
I mean, when you sign up for something, it should be a commitment right? For him to start off the game making shitty posts, saying he's going to play shitty, and then saying he's going to go play Dwarf Fortress like it was his goal from the start is just annoying. ^.^ But he's still a townie and I feel like torturing him by making him stay for longer in the round.
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On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus.
Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me?
On June 14 2015 00:56 geript wrote:
Scott was kicked out of my town circle btw. I forgot why.
I never knew I was in it. ?
On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that.
Nice...
Is it because I'm voting for Sulfurus?
On June 14 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. Geript, I understand that you don't want to give away your secret read on Damdred, but I need to understand why you are saying this, at least on some level.
I am curious of this as well...
On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive.
So I'm really not saying anything here, very nice political answer.
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On June 14 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Who should we lynch today moos Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum? that's interesting
I think,I misunderstood your post is it about sulf or bat
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On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote:
I disagree.
There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles.
I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game.
This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning.
The chance of targeting Carl is very low.
I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia. Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position? Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying.
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself.
Here are my scenarios for and against :
For:
The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked.
The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic.
Against:
A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest.
Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player.
The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic.
In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself.
The 2 town roles was a slip up from me.
I was thinking in terms of cop and medic, which was the usual setup at the TI hub before they later added a vigilante.
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On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
(Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.
1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.
In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.
2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.
Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.
3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.
He's not doing this here.
Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.
Leave the bats alone
This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense.
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Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels
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On June 14 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Who should we lynch today moos Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. So he deserves to die for,playing shirts not that he's scum? that's interesting I think,I misunderstood your post is it about sulf or bat
batsnacks
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On June 14 2015 04:03 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 18:29 ruXxar wrote:On June 13 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.
can we get confirmation on whether there is 2 or 1 kp? Please try not to get mod-killed. The rules very clearly state that you are not allowed to make a post like that:
Moosy already answered this but yes, it's in the rules on the first page.
On February 20 2013 21:59 Acrofales wrote:
Newbie-specific stuff
1.It's already in the rules, but remember, no editing. If you feel you must correct your post, please make a second post to clarify your statements. You may put EBWOP ("Edit by way of post," a handy acronym invented by semioldguy) at the beginning of your post to indicate that you are clearing up a point you made. If your EBWOP post is several posts after your original, please quote your original post in your EBWOP post for the sake of clarity.
2. Only sign up if you know you will have the time available to properly play the game. It is essential that players remain active in a newbie game, so only /in if you are able to play to your fullest.
3. If there is any sort of issue, you are unsure about some mechanic, or you are just wondering if your devilish scheme is even allowed, feel free to PM me, or ask in-thread with green text. Don't feel shy; these games are meant to be a place to learn and be open.
4. Behave as gentlemen (or ladies). Things get heated here, but personal attacks will not be acceptable, and will be dealt with accordingly. Remember, this is a game; have fun and happy scumhunting!
5. Please do not talk about any ongoing games either in-game or pre-game. This can affect other games and is unacceptable. Please do not refer to outside-of- thread activity of players in this thread.
6. If you receive coaching, don't tell town about it.
7. glhf!
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On June 13 2015 21:51 batsnacks wrote:
That isn't a scum read. That is me being concerned that ruxxar and n00b are making mistakes that could cost town the game. They should have a dialog with me before the lynch because I'm town and I can convince them I'm town, or at the very least not the best lynch today.
Okay? We're waiting. Let's have a dialogue. Convince me that you're Town.
Again, I was very excited to see you follow through on your promise to destroy the thread, if you stayed in the vote lead. And the scummiest thing Rels has done this entire game is panic after that promise, and start reading your posts in other games so that he could manufacture a flimsy excuse to move his vote off of you.
As a Town player, I couldn't WAIT for you to blow up the thread. But if I were scum, that idea might be pretty concerning to me. And I might try to figure out a way to get you out of the vote lead, so you'll shut up.
batsnacks wrote:
I completely disagree that most of what I've posted is useless I think I have easily contributed more to this game than anyone else
Clicking the "Post" button a bunch of times does not mean you are making worthwhile contributions. You keep yapping about your long filter, but NOTHING kicks, fights, bites and screams more than a mafia player that is in vote trouble without there being concrete evidence behind it. Staring down the noose MIGHT spur an inactive Town player into action, but not nearly as much (or as consistently) as it spurs mafia players into action.
You talk like people are voting against you only because of your poor open, but that they aren't reassessing bases on the posts you've made since. I've read every post you've made. There isn't anything that counteracts your poor open. You've been told this by multiple players already, so it's not like I am blind to what those others see.
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On June 14 2015 04:13 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
(Never use this again bats is to smart a player) + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.
1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.
In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.
2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.
Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.
3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.
He's not doing this here.
Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.
Leave the bats alone This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense. Other than batsnacks, who are you scumreading?
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On June 14 2015 04:13 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
(Never use this again bats is to smart a player) + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.
1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.
In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.
2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.
Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.
3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.
He's not doing this here.
Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.
Leave the bats alone This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense.
That read is excellent which is why damdred qualifies it with "don't use it again."
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On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels
You were voting for bats right? What does you switching to rels have anything to do with damdred or geript?
And you'd be lynching them only for activity if you did and not for any other reason despite people already mentioning all sorts o fthings (about geript mainly)
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On June 14 2015 04:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:03 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 18:29 ruXxar wrote:On June 13 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.
can we get confirmation on whether there is 2 or 1 kp? Please try not to get mod-killed. The rules very clearly state that you are not allowed to make a post like that: All questions to the hosts must be sent as PMs, do not ask in the thread. Actually, Onegu said that we could ask in green right afterwards. But, ya know, mod is clear Mafia for contradiction right?
YES, I absolutely agree with you. There is no way that those two perspectives can co-exist in the same mind. Lynching him will basically GUARANTEE us a good result.
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