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geript
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Trfel
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On June 13 2015 16:20 n00bKing wrote: It makes him look active, and makes him look like he's doing stuff. Posts without purpose.Please explain further. What is the scum motivation to do that? On June 13 2015 16:20 n00bKing wrote: Hm, okay, I'll take a look at that game then.Rels? Dunno, man. He looks a lot to me like he did in Newbie X, when he was Town. But some of the veterans in this game are seeing stuff from him they don't like. I'm not ready to try and pass judgment on Rels, I'll just have to keep watching him. On June 13 2015 18:08 Rels wrote: Your first point is technically correct, but it doesn't mean anything. It's extremely easy for mafia!batsnacks to post this as scum. One good example of this is Onegu, who was known for a long time to only claim VT as town, and never as scum. Well, one game he did it as scum. If someone has a meta that "makes" them town, it's useless unless there's an actual reason why they can't do the same thing as scum.+ Show Spoiler + I went through batsnacks past games and I have two things to share with you all. First thing On June 13 2015 09:39 batsnacks wrote: [...] Also I only provide iching commentary when I'm town so I thank you for bringing this up. That's true. I found 3 games where I did something similar, all of them town. Posts in spoiler if you're curious. + Show Spoiler + Second thing On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote: You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster. That's not as extreme as he's saying, but it is true. In particular, look at the size of the filters of these two games. In both he got lynched D1. Can you guess in which one he was scum ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?user=batsnacks http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469267-fantasy-football-mafia-mini-2?user=batsnacks If you don't wanna play the guessing game: he has two times more post in the first game, where he was town. Conclusion By meta I don't think BS is mafia this game. ##Unvote As for the second point, again, the post quality is important, not just the quantity. Damdred's post on batsnacks is really interesting, those are things that I didn't check. However, comparing the two games that Rels linked, I don't see batsnacks fitting Damdred's description that much. Notably because while he's always been a leading wagon, it's always been very close. Looking at Imperial Mafia (town!batsnacks), I noticed that batsnacks' filter at End of Day was extremely productive and focused, and I'm not seeing that from batsnacks this game. I'll take a look at batsnacks' scum reads now. On June 14 2015 03:08 batsnacks wrote: Why does this matter? He did something generally considered to be bad, he got lynched for it, and I'd really hope he didn't do the same thing in his next game.Here are the final vote counts from the first two days of newbie X, notice how sulfurus is off doing his own thing Were his reasons for voting those people original, or sheeping others (even if not in the final vote)? | ||
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geript
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 12 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote: I just saw this post......I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced? I have no idea how I missed this the first time. Batsnacks' read progression on Rels makes a lot more sense now. Maybe batsnacks really isn't the best lynch today. | ||
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Trfel
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote: I admit even I am confused as to why NinjaBunnies is defending me so hard; right now the only vote on her is Tictock (someone who I have had a townread on longer then anyone else) but she is definitely someone who needs to be looked at later. For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town). My favorite Barakos post so far is this one right here especially the Batsnacks part which shows how scummy he truly is (Bat's overly defensive reactions in posts 538 & 539 don't help his case either) so while he won't get lynched today I'll definitely be pushing for his death tomorrow. ##Vote: Batsnacks This is sulfur when he's town. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote: Geript, I understand that you don't want to give away your secret read on Damdred, but I need to understand why you are saying this, at least on some level.Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On June 14 2015 03:26 Trfel wrote: Damdred, looking at the reasons that batsnacks has to scumread people, I generally don't think they are strong. You seem to disagree. Why? I think strength of town/scum reads is dependent on the player in question, if you remember aperture 4 bats reads were much weaker than normal even for his standards. While some times bats comes out with a super read most of the time,they are in this line of thinkin. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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Damdred
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 14 2015 03:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: Why are you guys still going after batsnacks. Sure he was a shitty player at the start, but he's clearly a town player at this point. Unless you hold a grudge against him for his terrible start, I don't see why you would go after him. Who should we lynch instead? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 14 2015 03:00 geript wrote: And wave got added for feels iirc but weekly so. that might have been earlier though You know it's funny I remember unvoting you for feels and now that I'm back and seeing that you haven't done anything, nor am I seeing hardcore scumhunter geript I'm starting to worry again. Would not lynch above Sulf though. Nothing redeeming about that guy whatsoever. Might sheep Trfel too. Really liking him this game. I also remember Damdred and Scott pinging my radar for some reason---something along the lines of not knowing where they stand but I think scott sort of addressed it. Damdred who do YOU want to lynch today aside form 'not batsnacks?' | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 13 2015 17:38 Rels wrote: Thinking about it I agree with it. There is no good reason to stay hidden if you're Carl. My reasonning is: - if you're a someone most people sees at townie, you take the risk of killing the doctor - if you're someone people are suspicious of, you take the risk of killing the cop or the vigi It's even worse than that. If Dr. Weird targets Carl, then it looks to me like they would kill each other, just like Frylock and Carl would kill each other. And yes, Carl would also kill Allen and Neil. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
He was lynched Day 3, with only two pages of filter. When the pressure was on him, me barely responded at all. I just don't feel comfortable reading him. It's not just trying to tell newbie from scum, the complete lack of posts makes it a complete nightmare. I'd rather take a Day 1 lynch that isn't a shot in the dark. I really would appreciate it if geript answered my question to him here. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote: Who should we lynch today moos Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote: I disagree. There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles. I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game. This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning. The chance of targeting Carl is very low. I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia. Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position? Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 14 2015 03:48 Trfel wrote: I just looked at Sulfurus's filter from Newbie Student Mafia X. He was lynched Day 3, with only two pages of filter. When the pressure was on him, me barely responded at all. I just don't feel comfortable reading him. It's not just trying to tell newbie from scum, the complete lack of posts makes it a complete nightmare. I'd rather take a Day 1 lynch that isn't a shot in the dark. I really would appreciate it if geript answered my question to him here. Look at the content of his posts in that game though. They're actually pretty dense and show signs of critical thinking. There are like 10 reads crammed into the post I quoted and color coded. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Also I really hope I can be around for deadline shenangians. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote: Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position? Also, where are you getting that there are "2 town roles?" I see absolutely nothing that would indicate there are 8 VTs and 2 non-Vanilla Town roles, if that is what you are saying. Sorry for this newbie question which I should have asked earlier but which slipped my mind because I had to do something else. What's a Carl? | ||
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