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morning everyone!
just woke up and reread.
Gotta say, I still dislike disformation. I'll give him credit for his case and interactoins on/with bunnies, which made some sense but got answered pretty well by bunnies, that's some actual townwork he did there.
But after this his filter more or less reads like "hey x/y/z - who do you think is mafia?"... it goes on for about a page in his filter... in every post there is the question "who will you vote for / does that make him mafia / who is your second vote, if not x?"
Which is again just seeming active without real contribution. Like mafia looking for options to construct a misslynch.
Following this up, he builds a new case against sulfurus based on a (in my opinion) constructed tmi-slip, which i just can't see.
Also note: The post he used to construct this slip is about a day old. And just now, when there is need for a new case, because he has retracted from his case on bunnies, he sees this slip and uses it to construct a case vs one of the most inactive players in the thread. This just seems off.
My vote stays on him, since there is very little positive stuff to read out of his filter and I am quite sure he is a better lynch than any of the inactives.
(Just as a sidenote, at this point I am still against lynching into the inactives, since they all feel coinflippy to me and there is a chance there will be more activity later on)
Other things that come into mind:
@plotspot: Holy shit! Never lynching you atm, but I am afraid of what will happen, once you get caught up to the thread and do an analysis of more than a few hours of game-time. o0
This looks all like an awful lot of work. No wonder, you complained about how much effort you have to put into that game.
I obviously like your conclusion, since your vote is, where my vote is too, but you really need to get up-to-date with your reading and votes, since a lot has happened since then...
@batsnacks:
As I said, I am disappointed by the results you got out of the reactions to your iching... It seems like I put more thoughts into them, then you did. This at least raises an eyebrow and also makes you look suspicios, cause you generated discussion which you didn't really follow up / only followed up half-heartedly, which is very little, given the fact, that you premade this stuff, so one could expect, you have an actual plan for this and not just "townpoints, because they reacted".
As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town.
Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long.
This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post.
Also these two posts:
post 1
post 2
are made within 40 minutes of each other and there is no visible thought-process between them...
Please explain this vote-jump, cause i don't see any connection between sls 2 posts he made in between this posts and the switch in your stance toward him. (and you forgot to ##unvote...)
You don't really look good in my eyes.
To sum up my standpoint:
Not lynching today: Breshke, Tictock, plotspot
Possibly lynches: sl, batsnacks (although based on batsnacks vote, i think they are not both scum)
Want to lynch: disformation
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TicTock: Since you are hopefully still here and one of my townreads: Do you really think lynching into the inactives is a good thing?
Of all the cases, that are floating around, don't you think there is one on one of the active players, that has a higher chance than voting a coinflip?
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im going to catch up on this when i wakeup. im gonna watch SKT and have a late late late meal and then go to bed. had to league it up when i got out of the hospital
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On May 23 2015 18:48 Barakos wrote:
TicTock: Since you are hopefully still here and one of my townreads: Do you really think lynching into the inactives is a good thing?
Of all the cases, that are floating around, don't you think there is one on one of the active players, that has a higher chance than voting a coinflip?
I am still lurking though I should be asleep...
I understand your conflict here, I've seen a lot of argument in these games against lynching inactive people and your notion of it being a coinflip makes sense from a theory standpoint.
My problem is that reality does not match theory. In reality this notion makes it a good scum play to stay inactive D1. Town is likely to jump on each other early on and mafia can stay away while accusations are made and people build cases for them. In my last game there was a clearly inactive guy I voted for D1 and he did in fact flip scum when town followed through D2.
So my advice, and what I am trying to do here, is to not focus on the fact that there is little content by the inactive players and instead focus on what they HAVE posted. Is there enough in the ~5 posts by those players to convince you they are town?
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On May 23 2015 19:10 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 18:48 Barakos wrote:
TicTock: Since you are hopefully still here and one of my townreads: Do you really think lynching into the inactives is a good thing?
Of all the cases, that are floating around, don't you think there is one on one of the active players, that has a higher chance than voting a coinflip? I am still lurking though I should be asleep... I understand your conflict here, I've seen a lot of argument in these games against lynching inactive people and your notion of it being a coinflip makes sense from a theory standpoint. My problem is that reality does not match theory. In reality this notion makes it a good scum play to stay inactive D1. Town is likely to jump on each other early on and mafia can stay away while accusations are made and people build cases for them. In my last game there was a clearly inactive guy I voted for D1 and he did in fact flip scum when town followed through D2. So my advice, and what I am trying to do here, is to not focus on the fact that there is little content by the inactive players and instead focus on what they HAVE posted. Is there enough in the ~5 posts by those players to convince you they are town?
I get that logic... what i am/was asking was just, if there isn't any case on the more active people, that looks more convincing than the case on for example scott... since you know - variance... looking not good in 5 posts is not as telling as looking not good in 5 pages.
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ebwop: that looks more convincing to you ...
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On May 23 2015 16:32 Breshke wrote:SL this post here. Is it ment to be you voting batsnacks? I assume this is you being confused because you play on 2 + 2 aswell and if it is im not sure how you havnt noticed that none of your votes count nor the wraning from the host that said to format your shit correctly. So you have either never voted which is retarded because you have posted so much so what would all the posting have been for you arn't pushing shit nor trying to work out the game. Or you have been trying to vote and have not been paying attention to the thread hardly at all to realize that you havn't been doing it correctly. Which would be scummy because once again you havn't been trying to figure out the game.
stfu
##vote batsnacks
2+2 vote format way better it is true
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On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote:@batsnacks: As I said, I am disappointed by the results you got out of the reactions to your iching... It seems like I put more thoughts into them, then you did. This at least raises an eyebrow and also makes you look suspicios, cause you generated discussion which you didn't really follow up / only followed up half-heartedly, which is very little, given the fact, that you premade this stuff, so one could expect, you have an actual plan for this and not just "townpoints, because they reacted". As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. Also these two posts: post 1post 2are made within 40 minutes of each other and there is no visible thought-process between them... Please explain this vote-jump, cause i don't see any connection between sls 2 posts he made in between this posts and the switch in your stance toward him. (and you forgot to ##unvote...) You don't really look good in my eyes.
I was going to let this read slide the first time but you being this wrong about me is dangerous for everyone.
A few hours into the game, everything posted was bullshit. Literally everything that happened at the very start of this game is worthless and completely irrelevant now. Look at some of the stuff people were posting:
On May 22 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
1st
On May 22 2015 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:Scum
On May 22 2015 07:11 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
like wth is the theme of this game who are these cute lil anime girls and how are they not creepy Typical first reaction to a sicklucker post: *facepalm*, then I think about it for a second and start to laugh madly.  Well the fluff and stuff was already included in the op post and where the roles where explained. I think someone also posted where this fluff comes from? I don't know much about it, but the touhou games are bullethell games where the main characters are little girls with magical powers.
On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool
All of these quotes are posted within 30 minutes to an hour of my weird Chinese poetry.
Even though everyone in the thread is posting bs, and not following up on their bs, you have chosen to single out my bs out of all the other bs. How can you have a problem with the bs I posted at the start of the game and NOT have a problem with the bs other people were posting at the start of the game? Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs.
That is why I said you were singling me out before and it makes you look really, really bad.
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Bats whats your acual scum read on me because I dont believe it. Sell me
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God scott has 3 posts. why do you do this scott? we pretty much just have to vote you
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On May 23 2015 20:07 sicklucker wrote:
Bats whats your acual scum read on me because I dont believe it. Sell me
idk I was just drunk and messing around on my phone and was like "SL thinks he can ignore me eh, well let's see him ignore this."
Then I thought about it some more and was like maybe that was a mistake.
Then I thought about it even more and was like nah can't be that bad SL usually freaks out way more then he has when people scum read him for what he thinks are unreasonable reasons.
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In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy.
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##unvote ##vote scott
Ya whatever. On a quick reread disinfo filter is not really bad. No way we cant kill scott here. I think a policy lynch is fine I have no high percentage flips in my mind
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##unvote
##vote scott
Ya whatever.
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～ Vote Count ～
scott31337 (5) : Rels, batsnacks (X), Tictock, Breshke, sicklucker, batsnacks
disformation (3) : Barakos, Breshke (X), 27ninjabunnies, plotspot
plotspot (1) : Bill Murray, Tictock (X)
Sulfurus (1) : disformation
27ninjabunnies (0) : Bill Murray (X)
batsnacks (0) : sicklucker (X)
Bill Murray (0) : Tictock (X), Sulfurus (X), Rels (X), boxerfred (X)
boxerfred (0) : Rels (X)
Breshke (0) : Sulfurus (X)
sicklucker (0) : Breshke (X), batsnacks (X), Bill Murray (X), batsnacks (X)
Not voting (3) : boxerfred, scott31337, Sulfurus
Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched!
The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), less than 11 hours from this post.
remain as you are reading this.
Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread.
If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it.
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Yo a quick post and I'll be gone until the deadline. Hope I can be around just before but no guarantee.
First scott still haven't showed up and answered the questions ... questions he asked for in his last post may I remind you. So I'm happy to see him lynch atm.
Second I don't like this wagon on disformation at all. The only one with arguments is Barakos so I'm not suspicious of him, but the other two I am (27nb and plotspot). I don't like plotspot voting on an analysis made on the first hours of the game.
Talking about plotspot. Woaw that's a lot of work. But I agree with ticktock's thoughts on him in his list post. Don't have a lot of time so you will have to find it yourself. To summarize what I liked about his argument:
What plotspot did takes a lot of work. But he doesn't push any agenda and it's pretty non alignment indicative. If all a mafia has to do to look town is to make pretty graphics that takes 6 hours to make, we wouldn't catch any. So I agree to not lynch him today but he's not town forever for me.
Last about SL. Again (= I don't like that he says "plotspot is town forever maybe" and then he says "what you did doesn't bring a lot to the table". I don't like how he responded to batsnacks' pressure.
Sorry about the lack of quotes I have to go. My list lynch is:
Scott
BM
SL
See you tonight, hopefully before EOD! Have a good day (=
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On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote:@batsnacks: As I said, I am disappointed by the results you got out of the reactions to your iching... It seems like I put more thoughts into them, then you did. This at least raises an eyebrow and also makes you look suspicios, cause you generated discussion which you didn't really follow up / only followed up half-heartedly, which is very little, given the fact, that you premade this stuff, so one could expect, you have an actual plan for this and not just "townpoints, because they reacted". As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. Also these two posts: post 1post 2are made within 40 minutes of each other and there is no visible thought-process between them... Please explain this vote-jump, cause i don't see any connection between sls 2 posts he made in between this posts and the switch in your stance toward him. (and you forgot to ##unvote...) You don't really look good in my eyes. I was going to let this read slide the first time but you being this wrong about me is dangerous for everyone. A few hours into the game, everything posted was bullshit. Literally everything that happened at the very start of this game is worthless and completely irrelevant now. Look at some of the stuff people were posting: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
1st Scum Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:11 disformation wrote:On May 22 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
like wth is the theme of this game who are these cute lil anime girls and how are they not creepy Typical first reaction to a sicklucker post: *facepalm*, then I think about it for a second and start to laugh madly. Well the fluff and stuff was already included in the op post and where the roles where explained. I think someone also posted where this fluff comes from? I don't know much about it, but the touhou games are bullethell games where the main characters are little girls with magical powers. Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool All of these quotes are posted within 30 minutes to an hour of my weird Chinese poetry. Even though everyone in the thread is posting bs, and not following up on their bs, you have chosen to single out my bs out of all the other bs. How can you have a problem with the bs I posted at the start of the game and NOT have a problem with the bs other people were posting at the start of the game? Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs. That is why I said you were singling me out before and it makes you look really, really bad.
I'm picking on you, because you are the only one, who actually prepared something, said he could draw conclusions out of it and then has no followup.
Plus the discussion you created had nothing to do with bringing the game forward but with interpreting poetry.
The crap you quoted is obvious trolling / fun... your crap is premade and not followed up by you...
I don't really care if you think me pointing this out makes me look bad... it makes you look way worse.
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On May 23 2015 20:39 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:04 batsnacks wrote:On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote:@batsnacks: As I said, I am disappointed by the results you got out of the reactions to your iching... It seems like I put more thoughts into them, then you did. This at least raises an eyebrow and also makes you look suspicios, cause you generated discussion which you didn't really follow up / only followed up half-heartedly, which is very little, given the fact, that you premade this stuff, so one could expect, you have an actual plan for this and not just "townpoints, because they reacted". As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. Also these two posts: post 1post 2are made within 40 minutes of each other and there is no visible thought-process between them... Please explain this vote-jump, cause i don't see any connection between sls 2 posts he made in between this posts and the switch in your stance toward him. (and you forgot to ##unvote...) You don't really look good in my eyes. I was going to let this read slide the first time but you being this wrong about me is dangerous for everyone. A few hours into the game, everything posted was bullshit. Literally everything that happened at the very start of this game is worthless and completely irrelevant now. Look at some of the stuff people were posting: On May 22 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
1st On May 22 2015 07:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 22 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
1st Scum On May 22 2015 07:11 disformation wrote:On May 22 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
like wth is the theme of this game who are these cute lil anime girls and how are they not creepy Typical first reaction to a sicklucker post: *facepalm*, then I think about it for a second and start to laugh madly. Well the fluff and stuff was already included in the op post and where the roles where explained. I think someone also posted where this fluff comes from? I don't know much about it, but the touhou games are bullethell games where the main characters are little girls with magical powers. On May 22 2015 07:31 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote:27ninjabunnies the problem is it's barely too much ninja if it were 26 bunnies you'd be cool All of these quotes are posted within 30 minutes to an hour of my weird Chinese poetry. Even though everyone in the thread is posting bs, and not following up on their bs, you have chosen to single out my bs out of all the other bs. How can you have a problem with the bs I posted at the start of the game and NOT have a problem with the bs other people were posting at the start of the game? Especially when my bs generated more discussion than anyone else's bs. That is why I said you were singling me out before and it makes you look really, really bad. I'm picking on you, because you are the only one, who actually prepared something, said he could draw conclusions out of it and then has no followup. Plus the discussion you created had nothing to do with bringing the game forward but with interpreting poetry. The crap you quoted is obvious trolling / fun... your crap is premade and not followed up by you... I don't really care if you think me pointing this out makes me look bad... it makes you look way worse.
This isn't a response to what I said, my crap wasn't premade I wrote it in 5 minutes, it was fun for me, and I did have a followup. You just didn't like my followup because it wasn't strong enough or whatever; and it was only 1 hour into the game I don't know how you can expect anyone to have strong reads that early. I have explained to you why you're wrong and why what you're trying to push on me can easily be scum motivated.
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Like baraka if you're mafia you are walking straight into something that can get you lynched. If you're town you are wasting your time because not only are your conclusions about me provably wrong, I will never get lynched today.
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Semi around. Got a bit more time than expected (around 4hours). Catching up on stuff. Already saw a bit I want to respond to. If you have other questions for me, feel free to ask.
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