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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
I can see why he thinks my early interactions make me look scum. But: On May 23 2015 11:20 plotspot wrote: 3. disformation (DI): My scumread so far. He's fairly active in the first 3 hours, posting really in between the conversation of others with fine, careful, uncommiting. While others seem fairly focused on their conversation, he's kinda lurking and picking cherries. You have to go back, read and see what I mean. I'd vote for him. Might look this way in the first 3 hours, when not much was going on. I don't think I look careful at all for the rest of the game. :D Not thrilled about making a vote based on the first three hours of the game. But I have no desire to lynch plotspot at all.  | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 23 2015 16:52 boxerfred wrote: I noticed that Rels and disinformation who are actively putting pressure als well as removing pressure from people never put pressure on each other. That might point to a connection between them which can be good or bad. Oh nice. Thanks for catching that. I might be sleeping a bit on him, because he seems obv town to me. Will keep that in mind for the next days. I simply think we have more suspicious people around for today.  On May 23 2015 17:14 boxerfred wrote: Following your words, you're trying to subtly persuade me that bunnies is not scum: "I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information" vs. "Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information". Which would be strange since you made a case about him that made me put myself into the fire by initially unvoting BM and following your case.So either you're just testing the waters, thus confusing many people (pointing out you lean towards scum/sk) or you're dead serious and have a flaw in that post regarding my person. So, no, I don't get that feeling from bunnies. I was pressing you because I wasn't sure if your conclusion on bunnies was scum or town. I placed bunnies slightly on the towny side in that post since that was the feeling I got from your post, which I wanted to clarify. Which you did with your last sentence. Thank you. On May 23 2015 17:19 boxerfred wrote: Whoa, almost edited the above post: wanted to add that while I think disinformation is definitely "overcaring" for others, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's scum. I'm still tending to lynch one of the inactive guys. Not sure what you mean with overcaring for others? Can you explain? What would make that scummy? Starting to warm up a bit on boxerfred. But will reread a bit of stuff, before coming to a conclusion. | ||
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plotspot
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote: morning everyone! just woke up and reread. Gotta say, I still dislike disformation. I'll give him credit for his case and interactoins on/with bunnies, which made some sense but got answered pretty well by bunnies, that's some actual townwork he did there. But after this his filter more or less reads like "hey x/y/z - who do you think is mafia?"... it goes on for about a page in his filter... in every post there is the question "who will you vote for / does that make him mafia / who is your second vote, if not x?" Which is again just seeming active without real contribution. Like mafia looking for options to construct a misslynch. Okay, I can see where this is coming from. I was super spamy yesterday after all. But here is the thing: How do solve this game? You try to guess who is mafia. How can you improve your guesses? By making them educated guesses via the collection of information. How do you collect information? You ask people. Not every question is great, not every answer leads to a great conclusion or a great educated guess. What happens when nobody asks questions? Mafia wins. Do you want mafia to win? (This is a rhetorical question) The thread was slow yesterday but I wanted to get as much information as possible because I don't have much time today. And I got quite a bit of interesting interactions of of it, so I am glad I did so. Maybe went a bit overboard with the spam though. On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote: Following this up, he builds a new case against sulfurus based on a (in my opinion) constructed tmi-slip, which i just can't see. Also note: The post he used to construct this slip is about a day old. And just now, when there is need for a new case, because he has retracted from his case on bunnies, he sees this slip and uses it to construct a case vs one of the most inactive players in the thread. This just seems off. No. Sulfurus post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=22#424 Me first picking up the possible slip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=22#425 Look at the post ID. It is the very next post in the thread. 12 minutes later. I make the case 38 minutes later after Sulfurus fails to post an answer. Still super confused why nobody is pressuring Sulfurus. His respond to my question (glad I asked, huh) was the only thing from him after a 18hour period of silence. Super weary that he hasn't done anything else since that answer... On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote: As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town. Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long. This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post. I think you should head the advise I posted in my reaction to the iching thing: On May 22 2015 08:07 disformation wrote: And the other part says that he should look at all the people and be open to reconsider his reads, otherwise he might tunnel super hard. Because you seem to be pretty set on seeing me lynched. The thing on batsnacks for not using his iching more is also a bit far fetched / reaching to me. But I am willing to look more into SL vs batsnacks interactions. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 23 2015 11:24 batsnacks wrote: I really hate the activity based reads but meh plot is never the lynch on effort alone. I also hate this disformation wagon. Scotts is the better place for any vote... but... again whatev because disformation doesn't need me to defend him. I agree here. Most of plots reads were based on activity. Activity levels do not necessarily indicate scum or town. Content does. newbies remember that! On May 23 2015 13:25 sicklucker wrote: Lets look at bats read progresion on me 0 scum read on me 100% presure vote Still no read on me admits his vote on me means nothing Has not mentioned me since all of a sudden he drops this post which conveniently is similar to thread setiment Ya ok bats ok. I think hes a mafia with a made up read here following a few donkeys who cant read my obv town play I actually like this post on BS that SL has made. @BS do you have a flow of thoughts besides this shit that lead you to SL being scum? Also, Why Sulf? I still think sulf is town. On May 23 2015 17:14 boxerfred wrote: Following your words, you're trying to subtly persuade me that bunnies is not scum: "I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information" vs. "Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information". Which would be strange since you made a case about him that made me put myself into the fire by initially unvoting BM and following your case.So either you're just testing the waters, thus confusing many people (pointing out you lean towards scum/sk) or you're dead serious and have a flaw in that post regarding my person. So, no, I don't get that feeling from bunnies. I'm also removing BF from the lynch today because of his recent strings of posts. He is actually offering up some new information, questioning dis- who I think is very scummy- and it might be a ploy to get pressure off of himself, but I like the questioning and what he points out. I think if anything, there is a mafia between Dis and BF but not both. So, I am going to keep my vote on Dis for now. I'm going camping, so I may/may not be around for EOD. I love the pressure on scott! An afk, not doing anything. Keep up the good work. That was seirous btw. I want to see more from scott, and although I think Sulf is town, more from Sulf as well. But, idk about putting votes on someone who isnt here to defend himself. He'll likely get modkilled or replaced by someone more active. I think we need to lynch someone scummy who has actually been playing, because I highly doubt all the mafia are in the nonvoters and afks. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
～ Vote Count ～ scott31337 (6) : Rels, disformation (3) : Barakos, plotspot (1) : Bill Murray, Sulfurus (1) : disformation 27ninjabunnies (0) : batsnacks (0) : Bill Murray (0) : boxerfred (0) : Breshke (0) : sicklucker (0) : Not voting (2) : scott31337, Sulfurus Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched! The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), about 6 (!!!) hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread. If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
While I still think we need more pressure on Sulfurus, because he hasn't done anything after his intial posts. Only came back to admit to a mistake I found in one of his early posts and left right after. Hasn't responded at all to the further inquiries and the case I put on him. All in all this makes me highly suspicious. But I have to leave soon and I can't see this wagon getting anywhere, especially with me gone, since I seem to be the only one willing to put pressure on him. My other main suspects were a) boxerfred, to whom I have warmed up on...(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=28#543). Was going to say the same about b) bunnies, but I dislike that she didn't explain why she is still voting me and didn't touch my recent posts at all... at least her motivations seemed to be towny when I interacted with her. c) BM should also have more pressure on him for falling of incredibly hard... d) That basically leaves me with scott who hasn't done jack all game... But since I won't be around and I don't want to waste my vote I will have to vote on a wagon that looks like it will hit something. So I have to choose between disformation and scott. I know the alignment of one of those. I really! hope this won't be a repeat of last game though... NSM IX: we basically on had one super wagon on scott D1. He disappears. Comes into the thread like 1hour before deadline, posts a super towny post along with a OMGUS on me. Gets lynched anyway, flips town. Sad times. Super sry for not being around for EoD, had hoped this would start one day later.  | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
nearly forgot... ##unvote ##vote scott31337 | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I'm tempted to say I want to read more and do this later, but I'm at work for a few more hours so screw it. ## Unvote ## Vote: 27ninjabunnies | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Like Dis said he got D1 lynched last newbie game as well, but for very different reasons. Last game scott was much more active and did make multiple attemps at defending himself. Thats all till I get home... Mobile posting sucks | ||
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cakepie
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～ Vote Count ～ scott31337 (6) : Rels, disformation (3) : Barakos, plotspot (1) : Bill Murray, 27ninjabunnies (1) : batsnacks (0) : Bill Murray (0) : boxerfred (0) : Breshke (0) : sicklucker (0) : Sulfurus (0) : Not voting (2) : scott31337, Sulfurus Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched! The cycle will end at Saturday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). That's like 2 hours from this post, y'all! remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in this thread. If you see any vote out of place, holler at us and we will look into it. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
～ FAQ ～ Q: Do any of the roles get to use their powers before day 1? A: This game started in Silent Pregame, not Night 0. Therefore, night actions are not possible before Day 1. Q: How do alignment flips work, do their roles flip as well or is it just town/mafia/3rd party? A: There will be standard flips in this game, containing both alignment and role. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On May 23 2015 20:36 Rels wrote: Yo a quick post and I'll be gone until the deadline. Hope I can be around just before but no guarantee. First scott still haven't showed up and answered the questions ... questions he asked for in his last post may I remind you. So I'm happy to see him lynch atm. Second I don't like this wagon on disformation at all. The only one with arguments is Barakos so I'm not suspicious of him, but the other two I am (27nb and plotspot). I don't like plotspot voting on an analysis made on the first hours of the game. Talking about plotspot. Woaw that's a lot of work. But I agree with ticktock's thoughts on him in his list post. Don't have a lot of time so you will have to find it yourself. To summarize what I liked about his argument: What plotspot did takes a lot of work. But he doesn't push any agenda and it's pretty non alignment indicative. If all a mafia has to do to look town is to make pretty graphics that takes 6 hours to make, we wouldn't catch any. So I agree to not lynch him today but he's not town forever for me. Last about SL. Again (= I don't like that he says "plotspot is town forever maybe" and then he says "what you did doesn't bring a lot to the table". I don't like how he responded to batsnacks' pressure. Sorry about the lack of quotes I have to go. My list lynch is: Scott BM SL See you tonight, hopefully before EOD! Have a good day (= ya scum would be | ||
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sicklucker
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I already posted why I was scum reading her before this post. I really hate that post. The stuff about plots is ok, but has been said a few times before and same goes for the activity thing. Then she is trying to take the exchange between BS and SL from last night seriously when BS has himself said he was trolling SL (which I thought was obvious from the get go). I'm not even sure why she mentions Sul here, it looks so out of place I'd be willing to bet it was left over from editing the post multiple times. FInally, and this is the big thing to me. 27nb has said multiple times that she saw an association between BF, who she said was scummy at first, and Dis and has pushed Dis for it (never once directing pressure at BF, her actual scum read). This is basically her whole reasoning for tunneling Dis and now that she thinks BF is town she's still sure Dis is scum. The entire association thing never even made much sense. The idea that mafia!BF has a vote out and then mafia!Dis makes a case, so BF backs down? I don't see why a scum team would react to each other like that. Anyways judge for yourselves, here is all the posts 27nb has made to explain why she is voting Dis today. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis.... On May 22 2015 23:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: My read hasn't changed. I'm reconsidering. Still think he is town. I don't necessarily understand your push on him, something I have to reread. I do want to see BF's response to why he suddenly switch his vote. So the way I'm looking at it in my head is this: BF as newb mafia votes on BM just to be voting on someone...tlaks a bit, doesnt really push on BM, then mafia partner comes out with a case on me (town), and BF is like, ooo this looks good. Lets unvote, and go with mafia partner here. Im a video mafia player. I try and see connections between people because we don't do flips. And i see a connection there. On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit On May 23 2015 08:54 27ninjabunnies wrote: The connection between you and BF. So BF vote don BM right, but you come out with your case on me, and he unnvotes with just saying that he likes you post, but will reread late, right? With BF being a newbie, this just seems like, hey my mafia partner made a case, maybe I should follow it- type of thing to me. That is the connection I see. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin I'm not sure I trust your feelings. Certainly not enough to consider him in this last hour. Any thoughts about 27nb? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Barakos actually expanded his read on Dis, I still don't agree with it, but I do like the reads he was getting off the Iching stuff. I don't think it's enough to lynch anybody for and so I like BS's reaction to it as well. Basically at least he was able to backup his earlier read with clear thought, where as 27nb resends her reasoning but keeps the same conclusion. | ||
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