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On June 14 2015 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels You were voting for bats right? What does you switching to rels have anything to do with damdred or geript? And you'd be lynching them only for activity if you did and not for any other reason despite people already mentioning all sorts o fthings (about geript mainly) I have several reasons to suspect them, some of which haven't been mentioned yet, but I'm not quite ready to share them. I don't want to interfere at this time, as doing so would invalidate my read.
Rels is primarily scummy for the reasons I mentioned earlier. However, the fact that he's still caught up on Fake)Plants' opening post despite saying that scott31337's posting seemed somewhat towny is really suspect to me. Immediately jumping on geript's unvoiced suspicion (despite scumreading geript) feels rather opportunistic.
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On June 14 2015 04:13 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
(Never use this again bats is to smart a player) + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player)
If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up.
1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts.
In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread.
2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point.
Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out.
3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught.
He's not doing this here.
Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads.
Leave the bats alone This read is so bad. Like if Bats is so smart what's stopping him from changing his meta this game. It's not like he is unaware of this meta either since he spammed the thread with his 'longest filter' defense.
Actually it's a really good read that bats wasn't aware of till now. When you give meta reads he changes after usually not before.
Anyway longed filter isn't a bat meta thing it's a tl mafia thing, though activity as mafia is harder to do anyway. So yea
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On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels
What about Sulfurus and batsnacks? Thoughts?
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On June 14 2015 04:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels What about Sulfurus and batsnacks? Thoughts? My thoughts on both of these players are on the previous page. If you have any more specific questions, feel free to ask.
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On June 14 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus. I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment. I went through the voting history to see who voted for him. The kickstart vote was too early to judge for me, so I ignored it. The next one to vote is geript. Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. He pointed out that since noone jumped on moosy for this post, then moosy is mafia. This makes no sense to me. To me that post is filled with genuine excitement from a newbie. Seeing as I'm a newbie too i understand all to well how he must've felt in his early posts. On June 13 2015 03:31 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript I don't understand how you go from seemingly town-->scum-->town on moosy without any real change in anything he has done. Not following thought processes with you at all, though I think that actually might be standard for you and it annoys me. Never assumed he was town to start w/ babycakes. Moreso: 1. Moosy makes a god awful post --> I think he's scum 2. No one pushes Moosy --> If he's town I'd expect someone to have jumped on him therefore scum 3. Posts a shit ton --> Probably just nubian with bad opening and mafia afk or otherwise engaged On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often. Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy. I can't see his reasoning for voting on sulfurous. Basically he said 2 things about sulfurous: On June 13 2015 03:08 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) This post is pretty bad. and On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. Then kickstart says this which aligns with my own thinking. On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange. This give me a townlean on kickstart. I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me. I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. Why does this just scream "save sulfurus" for some reason to me? Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:56 geript wrote:
Scott was kicked out of my town circle btw. I forgot why. I never knew I was in it. ? Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Nice... Is it because I'm voting for Sulfurus? Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 06:41 geript wrote:
Nah. Damdred is 100% town. He's gotten pretty easy to read. Geript, I understand that you don't want to give away your secret read on Damdred, but I need to understand why you are saying this, at least on some level. I am curious of this as well... Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Who should we lynch today moos Sulfurus. batsnacks is not Mafia. He's been playing a shitty game as he says and he deserves to die for doing so, but he's a townie no matter how I look at it. I'd prefer to vote for geript as he's acting strange as well, but the priority should be to keep a townie alive. So I'm really not saying anything here, very nice political answer.
The reason why I'm curious about the sulfurus train is because he hasn't said anything that would make me think he's scum.
I really wish he would come defend himself so I can get a better read on him.
I don't want to get sulfurus lynched when I have 2 targets that I feel are more scummy(batsnacks and geript).
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On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:
Reading through geripts filter I get a bad vibe.
[snip]
Then he gets into an argument with waveofshadow who also picks up on his inconsistency in alignment on moosy.
damdred wrote: Geript yea I didn't like his filter parts of it seemed pointless, abd his argument with wave just read weird to me
For what it's worth, if you want to assign blame in the Geript vs. Wave argument, it was completely Wave's fault. I have read that argument three times (in context, NOT just by using their filters) and Wave is just twisting Geript's words to make it look like he said something he didn't.
But I didn't scumread Wave for it, because it looks to me like he genuinely misunderstood. I didn't feel like Wave was intentionally trying to frame Geript, he just looked confused.
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On June 14 2015 04:24 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels You were voting for bats right? What does you switching to rels have anything to do with damdred or geript? And you'd be lynching them only for activity if you did and not for any other reason despite people already mentioning all sorts o fthings (about geript mainly) I have several reasons to suspect them, some of which haven't been mentioned yet, but I'm not quite ready to share them. I don't want to interfere at this time, as doing so would invalidate my read.Rels is primarily scummy for the reasons I mentioned earlier. However, the fact that he's still caught up on Fake)Plants' opening post despite saying that scott31337's posting seemed somewhat towny is really suspect to me. Immediately jumping on geript's unvoiced suspicion (despite scumreading geript) feels rather opportunistic.
Woah, Trfel, I would say it's especially important to share your thoughts if they do invalidate your reads. Otherwise we might all be bandwagoning on someone that's a fellow townie or someone who we didn't suspect was actually Mafia.
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Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337
On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. (referring to Fake)Plants)
On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Null
moosy
Damdred
scott On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post.
I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript (who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed.
He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment.
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On June 14 2015 04:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:24 Trfel wrote:On June 14 2015 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels You were voting for bats right? What does you switching to rels have anything to do with damdred or geript? And you'd be lynching them only for activity if you did and not for any other reason despite people already mentioning all sorts o fthings (about geript mainly) I have several reasons to suspect them, some of which haven't been mentioned yet, but I'm not quite ready to share them. I don't want to interfere at this time, as doing so would invalidate my read.Rels is primarily scummy for the reasons I mentioned earlier. However, the fact that he's still caught up on Fake)Plants' opening post despite saying that scott31337's posting seemed somewhat towny is really suspect to me. Immediately jumping on geript's unvoiced suspicion (despite scumreading geript) feels rather opportunistic. Woah, Trfel, I would say it's especially important to share your thoughts if they do invalidate your reads. Otherwise we might all be bandwagoning on someone that's a fellow townie or someone who we didn't suspect was actually Mafia. Not thoughts that invalidate my reads like that 
It's sort of like the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. If you make a measurement about a particle, that measurement affects whatever property you're trying to measure (sort of, anyway, I'm not very good at physics). If someone is doing something scummy and you tell them it's scummy, when they stop doing it that doesn't really help anything. If someone is doing something scummy and you sit quietly and observe, their behavior can be extremely revealing.
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On June 14 2015 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also random point? Where is Kickstart? Guy blasts out the gate and was the first to vote the likely lynch for today but I don't remember him doing anything in a while.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing last night. Kickstart was probably the early post-count leader, but then disappeared for the second half of the Phase.
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On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. (referring to Fake)Plants) Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript ( who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed. He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment.
Can people let Rels reply to this and NO ONE DEFEND him? Depending on his response, this might be the nail in the coffin.
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^ Just trying to draw attention to my above post. This is very important. We have to see Rels' response to this. Dis gun be gud.
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On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself.
That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this:
ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play.
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On June 14 2015 04:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. (referring to Fake)Plants) On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Null
moosy
Damdred
scott On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript ( who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed. He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment. Can people let Rels reply to this and NO ONE DEFEND him? Depending on his response, this might be the nail in the coffin.
Contrary to popular belief, cases on people aren't for those people to respond to to decide whether we lynch them or not. Cases are to convince the rest of town to lynch that person. Absolutely anyone can explain their way out of anything if given the chance.
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I'm trying something new here, I'm not going to,give top town trel a hard time about being not sure about me. Instead I'll try to work with and sheep today.
This plan is great
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On June 14 2015 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. (referring to Fake)Plants) On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Null
moosy
Damdred
scott On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript ( who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed. He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment. Can people let Rels reply to this and NO ONE DEFEND him? Depending on his response, this might be the nail in the coffin. Contrary to popular belief, cases on people aren't for those people to respond to to decide whether we lynch them or not. Cases are to convince the rest of town to lynch that person. Absolutely anyone can explain their way out of anything if given the chance.
Yeah I got that by now, but it's a super good time to get a read on his defense. And it will be spoiled if someone else replies and influences how he defends himself.
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Imo lynch rels trfel has made several excellent posts that really show someone being crummy. I think it's a good case
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On June 14 2015 04:47 Damdred wrote:
Imo lynch rels trfel has made several excellent posts that really show someone being crummy. I think it's a good case
I'm tempted to sheep myself but I personally think Sulf is worse here. He keeps showing up, posting something once of no consequence and fucking off again. Why exactly do you think Rels is a better lynch?
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On June 14 2015 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:47 Damdred wrote:
Imo lynch rels trfel has made several excellent posts that really show someone being crummy. I think it's a good case I'm tempted to sheep myself but I personally think Sulf is worse here. He keeps showing up, posting something once of no consequence and fucking off again. Why exactly do you think Rels is a better lynch?
My plan was to kill the most obvious Mafia (Sulfurus), then depending on Rels' defense, lynch him the next day.
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Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.
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