Newbie Student Mafia XI - Page 41

On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote:
Rels' Read Progression

• Suspicious of ruXxar early
  
• Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
  
• Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
  
• Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
  
• Changes read on ruXxar to town
  
• Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
  
• Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
  
• Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
  
• List post
  
• Unvotes batsnacks
  
• Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
  
• Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337

Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people.
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It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts.

The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling.

On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote:


I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man!

On June 14 2015 05:10 batsnacks wrote:


So Rels is town? I thought you would sheep Trfel.

On June 14 2015 04:56 ruXxar wrote:


In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic.
It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios.

I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town.
A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to.
I'm trying to rectify this.

On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
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On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:

You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim.

Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles.

When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense.

scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
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Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +

Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +

Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +

Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +

Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +

Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +

Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +

Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +

Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
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Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +

Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +

VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:

We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.

On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles:

Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon.

Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins?

Please help me understand.

On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:


My scenarios make sense in the isolated scope i presented.

I'm trying to make sense of the role listed posted on the first page but it's confusing me.



According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles:

Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon.

Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins?

Please help me understand.

On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
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Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
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Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
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Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
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On June 14 2015 05:42 Damdred wrote:


Bats...I am so proud of you

On June 14 2015 05:11 Trfel wrote:
I have no clue where you get this idea.

First, it the reason that Rels thought that Fake)Plants was scum isn't important for this argument. Rels himself said that the reason is invalidated by scott31337's replacement, and then he kept jumping back on it whenever opportunity presented itself, despite saying that scott31337's posts weren't scummy. Please explain how this makes sense.