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On June 12 2015 11:16 Kickstart wrote:
First several posts he seems quite concerned about the scum team! Why is this. This doesn't seem to be normal new town player concerns to me.
They weren't. He's pretty clearly just joking around.
Kickstart wrote:
Then there was his answering question slip which has been the topic of much debate. It is really weird because I said I don't like people answering questions directed at others, Trfel asks me why, and then ruxx answers -______-. I think a townie would read that and be wary of answering because they see me saying that answering for others is a bad thing. My take on it is that ruxx maybe saw an easy opportunity to seem helpful and didn't even pay attention to the interaction going on there.
Firstly, nothing has been the topic of "much debate" yet, when the game has only been going for a few hours. Secondly, I still maintain that it is the scum player that would be more "wary of answering." It is a Town player that would "see an easy opportunity to seem helpful" and act on it, without worrying about the "interaction going on there."
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player.
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On June 12 2015 11:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ì wanna lynch kickstart man.
That case is forcing a read hard.
Yes, it's forcing a read hard. But I don't know that scum Kickstart would have much motivation to force a read that hard, early in Day 1. He can't be pushing RuXx to try and defend a mafia teammate that is in vote trouble, because no one was really in vote trouble. So the mafia barely cares who the Day 1 lynch will be. It's not like he's afraid of RuXx as a player, when he's on the Newbie list. And it's not like he's TOO afraid that RuXx is a power role that is gonna wreck his plans, when RuXx is a Newbie that insta-claimed Vanilla. (This possibility is more likely than the first, but still not real likely.) I don't see a reason for scum Kickstart to cause a stir, and draw attention to himself, by trying to make sure that RuXx is the Day 1 lynch.
Oatsmaster wrote:
Stop asking people to do your work for you.
If you really think that your previous town and scumgames have a huge difference in the way you post, then show some examples if you want to use that as a reason for people to townread you.
On this, however, I completely agree with you. It isn't reasonable for Kickstart to expect people he's never played with before (who might even be playing here for the first time) to go read his previous games.
Kickstart wrote: Pretty much done interacting with you.
Yeah, this attitude is not helpful, obviously. If you're Town, there's a pretty good (statistical) likelihood that Oatsmaster is a teammate of yours. If he reads you wrong, then he's making more work for you, because you have to help him overcome it. Oh well, too bad. Help him overcome it.
Kickstart wrote: I asked people to do no work. If someone scum reads me for my general posting or the way I play, then THEY should read my fucking game history because they have no fucking reason to be suspicious of my posting style or playstyle if they don't know how I normally post or play.
They aren't comparing your play to a "baseline reading" of how YOU normally play. They're comparing it to a baseline reading of how Town and Mafia players normally play.
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On June 12 2015 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Scum tier: Geript, noobking
2 ez
Keep working! 
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NOOB MAN,
is this really your first game?
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I've played Mafia before. I've never played Mafia on these forums before. And there's some of the Mafia-by-forum terminology that I don't really know yet, so I might ask what some abbreviations stand for and stuff like that (kinda like how I asked pre-game about what it means to shadow someone, and what a hydra is, and what a mad hatter is, etc)
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On June 12 2015 16:24 n00bKing wrote:
I've played Mafia before. I've never played Mafia on these forums before. And there's some of the Mafia-by-forum terminology that I don't really know yet, so I might ask what some abbreviations stand for and stuff like that (kinda like how I asked pre-game about what it means to shadow someone, and what a hydra is, and what a mad hatter is, etc)
well you are telling everyone how to do shit so you mustve had some experience.
On a scale of 1-10, how experienced are you.
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Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon.
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On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think.
LOL
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Eh got some beauty sleep so I'm a bit calmer, lets see how long that lasts. Don't like n00bKing's posting in general. First game here, very lectury. Goes out of his way to tell people not to post fluff, yet posts nothing in the way of reads.
@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?
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On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. [...] So far kickstart is a scumlean for me.
How can you scumlean him for his first post.
On June 12 2015 08:04 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 07:56 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:50 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 12 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. Why don't you like it when people answer questions directed at others? Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. ........ The "at least that is what I think" pushes it over the top. I could see it as a joke, but then there's no reason to include the last sentence. It's either inherently contradictory or unnecessarily cautious. Scum lean. What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Wait.... So you are serious about your explanation for not answering a question directed at someone else, because it helps them answer the question if they are scum. But in saying this, you answered a question directed at someone else, your scum read? This explanation is going to be good. Yes my answer was serious. I see now how that actually denied us information from kick start. It was a mistake on my part to actually answer that question. Can you please clarify, why are you scumreading Kickstart? I didn't like his statement about not liking liars. This whole game is based on the concept of deception. If you don't like that aspect of the game, why are you here? You might claim that you like hunting lying mafia, But it's not a given beforehand what role you will be, so that doesn't make sense either. I have no prior info about any of the players here, so he might have some personal conviction for why he said that, but to me it didn't seem like a genuine well thought through statement.
That is not a good reason.
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On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves.
This post is super weird. Super long but no content.
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On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote:RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch.
Why are you defending him so early. Let him do it himself.
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On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote:I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter(I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game)
@Sulfurus : what case ?
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Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well.
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On June 12 2015 16:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 16:24 n00bKing wrote:
I've played Mafia before. I've never played Mafia on these forums before. And there's some of the Mafia-by-forum terminology that I don't really know yet, so I might ask what some abbreviations stand for and stuff like that (kinda like how I asked pre-game about what it means to shadow someone, and what a hydra is, and what a mad hatter is, etc) well you are telling everyone how to do shit so you mustve had some experience. On a scale of 1-10, how experienced are you.
Everything is relative. I don't have any context for how experienced I am vs. yourself, or vs. the average player in this game, or vs. the average player on these forums. But if I tried to answer your question...3? 4, maybe?
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On June 12 2015 16:53 Kickstart wrote:
Either Rels is second smartest person in here behind me or he is trying real hard to pocket me D:. Everything hes posted has been in line with my thinking as well.
LOL after what you said it's me pocketing you ?
Gotta go for one hour see you all after that.
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On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:
@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?
Some players are almost impossible to judge so far. I think FakePlants has been a virtual non-participant to this point, and I think boxerfred has been a literal non-participant (I do not remember seeing one post from him yet).
I voted against batsnacks.
1) I can understand him being upset about ruXxar's roleclaim, but I don't get using it as the basis for voting against him.
2) When I tried to engage him in discussion about the likely motivations for ruXxar's actions, batsnacks withdrew, basically telling me that it isn't his job to help any other player defend themselves.
3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more.
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On June 12 2015 12:50 n00bKing wrote:
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On Page 9, batsnacks posts some philosophy about the nature of danger
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Hahaha
But really this post is exactly what you're saying not to do. Agree with oats completly:
On June 12 2015 12:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh man thats a horrific post....
ARGH.
Like it doesnt scumhunt at all.
Its just advice.
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OK I finally found a mafia.
On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:Show nested quote +Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests. I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie. Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here!
First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph.
What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points:
- He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him.
- His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot.
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