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Kickstart
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:29 Kickstart wrote: Thanks.I'm joking with him it means nothing. His statement was silly and scummy, I said I would let him decide which one he wants us to classify it as. (hint: I think it is mildly scummy). On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Now that you know that there are three mafia, do you stand by this statement?On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote: Please tell me why I'm wrong, or vote for ruXxar.ruXxar 1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote: RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad.Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote: When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for.What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:19 Trfel wrote: ruXxar 1. Answered a question directed to someone else, while explaining why answering questions directed at others hurts town + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 07:36 ruXxar wrote: RuXxar provided a reasonable explanation for why it is bad to answer questions directed at other people. However, this explanation was an answer to my question directed at Kickstart. In this very post, he's doing why he says that this is bad.Usually you want to hear the reasoning of the person you're asking. If someone answers the question before him, you potentially open up for someone else to make a logical conclusion beforehand, and then the guy the question was directed at get an easy bandwagon onto that guys conclusions. At least that is what I think. He's confident enough to ignore any potential purpose that I had for this question, confident enough in Kickstart's alignment that he doesn't want to hear Kickstart's answer, but not confident enough to leave the post without stating that this is what he thinks, implying that he could be wrong. 2. The person he answered a question for is now his scumread + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2015 07:46 ruXxar wrote: When he is questioned, ruxXar throws out a scum lean. However, he does this on Kickstart, the same player he just answered a question for.What I meant by the last sentence was that that was my number one assumption of why he made that statement. I won't pretend to be a mind reader, but I find it strange that he throws out unsubstantiated claims like that. So far kickstart is a scumlean for me. Imagine that ruXxar is town. He sees Kickstart make a post, but doesn't try to look into his alignment. Then he sees me (Trfel) ask a question to Kickstart about that post, then immediately answers the question without stopping to realize that this is the same behavior criticized in his explanation (and he realizes that his play hurt town here). Only after answering my question to Kickstart does he bother to actually think about Kickstart's alignment. I can't see this coming from a town mindset, from someone who is actually interested in determining people's alignments. Furthermore, he hasn't made any alignment-related comments about anyone in the game other than Kickstart. RuXxar is being contradictory, cautious, and is showing a mindset that isn't towny at all. He's not interested in thinking about people's alignments. I beg to differ. I've been leading an open and active discussion, answering and asking questions. If I was scum I would be very careful not to expose myself like that. I already admitted that I missed the logical inconsistency in answering kick starts question. If I had been mafia then I would have been way more careful in considering my response and not make such an obvious error. The only one that has made any statements that I don't understand / agree with so far is kick start. He's also dodged my question so far. Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, He only explained what it means, not why he said it. So @ kickstart. Please explain why you don't like liars. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:24 ruXxar wrote: I'm not voting on anyone yet, it's way too early for that. I'm gathering information to base my reads upon. I can only evaluate what I've read so far. Putting pressure on people is also a good thing, not necessarily because you believe they are scum, but to see how they react in tense situations. You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:45 batsnacks wrote: 5. Don't lie. Not sure how this is relevant? | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:45 batsnacks wrote: 5. Don't lie. RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:46 n00bKing wrote: You're right, putting pressure on people can be a good thing, to see how they react. That's why you're wrong, it is not too early to vote. I agree. As said, it's my first time playing mafia and I haven't been in many situations lately where i have to formulate sharp logical arguments. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote: I disagree. He wouldn't dare say this as scum, unless he actually believes that it is acceptable and beneficial for town to lie. And as town, he would only say this if he actually believes it (yes, I see the irony). Either alignment, he's saying something that he believes to be true, so this isn't alignment indicative.RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch. Vote for ruXxar because he only bothered to try and figure out someone's alignment after making posts deflecting my questions of that person. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
I hope to see lots of activity when I read the thread tomorrow! | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote: RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch. I don't think it would be productive for town for me to defend ruxxar. He's a big boy. | ||
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geript
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Properly used, danger can have an important meaning as a protective measure. Thus heaven has its perilous height protecting it against every attempt at invasion, and earth has its mountains and bodies of water, separating countries by their dangers. Thus also rulers make use of danger to protect themselves against attacks from without and against turmoil within. | ||
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Kickstart
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Kickstart
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Sulfurus
United States166 Posts
On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter (I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
Just an fyi, I will tunnel people to hell and back who willfully misrepresent what I say. Ask Oats. Whenever he decides to show up that is. | ||
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Kickstart
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