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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 08:54 GMT
#281
##Vote Fake)Plants
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 12 2015 08:57 GMT
#282
Er yeah about the confirm thing, Onegu probably didnt wait for the confirms.

And it makes no sense to lie about your real life actions.
I think the apology for not showing up is scummy though and that he didnt even do shit after that post is really bad.
No gg, No skill.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 09:03 GMT
#283
Yeah the lie is obviously only a supposition of my part. But I have a hard time imagining Onegu sending a role PM to plants if plants didn't confirm.

Even discarding that, that entrance post screams mafia: fluff + excuse.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 09:10 GMT
#284
Actually I have the proof Onegu have waited for confirm.

On June 11 2015 12:15 Onegu wrote:
We have all but one confirmed. If we have too will replace him if it is only one person.


The one he's talking about here is plants. So he did send a confirm PM after this post by Onegu. If he didn't have he would have been replaced.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 09:31 GMT
#285
On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:

@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?

[...]
3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more.


Could you expand on that ?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 12 2015 09:41 GMT
#286
You would maybe be right if one could rely on Onegu. But assuming one can rely on Onegu is quite an assumption ^^.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 12 2015 09:45 GMT
#287
Only person who hasn't said anything at this point is boxerfred I think. I'm following another game he is in and hes posting there! Maybe he forgot about this one :o.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 09:51 GMT
#288
Yo kickstart. Vote plants he's probably mafia.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 09:56 GMT
#289
Alright gotta grab something to eat. See you later guys. Please answer any questions I might have asked you.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 12 2015 11:45 GMT
#290
damn! Replace me please. I'm going on a weekend trip, camping, so I won't be here until like sunday. I guess that's way too long.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 12 2015 11:46 GMT
#291
would've been earlier with that but that turned out to happen - today.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 12:16 GMT
#292
On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 16:38 Kickstart wrote:

@king
Who are you suspicious of at the moment, who do you think could be scum?

Some players are almost impossible to judge so far. I think FakePlants has been a virtual non-participant to this point, and I think boxerfred has been a literal non-participant (I do not remember seeing one post from him yet).

I voted against batsnacks.

1) I can understand him being upset about ruXxar's roleclaim, but I don't get using it as the basis for voting against him.
2) When I tried to engage him in discussion about the likely motivations for ruXxar's actions, batsnacks withdrew, basically telling me that it isn't his job to help any other player defend themselves.
3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more.



This isn't a very good case. Do I have to respond to this or will you forget about me eventually? Lol
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 12:25 GMT
#293
I'm bored

1) if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset.
2) it isn't my job to defend other players, especially <6 hours into the game, it is their job to defend themselves.
3) my town guide is solid. Everyone should follow it.

4) all the stuff you have issues with and all of these responses I would say as either alignment. You can't scum read me for any of it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 12:29 GMT
#294
I agree with you. This case is bad.
Here is a good case.

On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 14:01 Fake)Plants wrote:
Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests.


I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie.

Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here!


First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph.

What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points:

- He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him.
- His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 12:44 GMT
#295
I think plant's post is scummy but I don't exactly agree with the reasons you made, especially the IRL wifom. The post comes off to me as "Blah say something obvious, forced contribution vomit."
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 12:53 GMT
#296
Don't care that you think it's forced. Good if you agree that it's scummy. I'll keep it in mind. Vote for him if you don't find anything scummier.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 12 2015 13:05 GMT
#297
On June 12 2015 17:46 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 12:50 n00bKing wrote:
[...]

On Page 9, batsnacks posts some philosophy about the nature of danger
[...]

Hahaha

But really this post is exactly what you're saying not to do. Agree with oats completly:

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 12:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh man thats a horrific post....
ARGH.

Like it doesnt scumhunt at all.

Its just advice.


I don't think that's a post you want to be agreeing with. We should not disparage the idea of posts that give advice, most especially in a Newbie game. I certainly hope that the other Town players will give me some good advice, at some point in the game. And if they aren't scumhunting in that same moment, it won't make good advice any less good.

Kickstart has said (and then re-emphasized) that: "the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum."

Firstly, I'm not sure I agree with him. If I could only look Town or find Scum, I would probably rather find Scum. If I then get mislynched (because I didn't convince enough people that I was Town) then the work I did finding Scum could still get that player lynched soon afterward. But what's more relevant to this conversation is: IF looking Town is more important than finding Scum, then how does one show themselves to be Town WITHOUT scumhunting? Well, one good way is definitely "by giving helpful advice."

On June 12 2015 16:45 Rels wrote:
Why are you defending him so early.

This was explained before you got here. If you read the whole thread before you post, then you won't end up clogging the pages with questions that were already answered. There's some "advice" for you.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 13:12 GMT
#298
On June 12 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:
Don't care that you think it's forced. Good if you agree that it's scummy. I'll keep it in mind. Vote for him if you don't find anything scummier.


I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 13:13 GMT
#299
On June 12 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:
Don't care that you think it's forced. Good if you agree that it's scummy. I'll keep it in mind. Vote for him if you don't find anything scummier.


I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced?

No you're right I thought you said my post was forced.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 12 2015 13:16 GMT
#300
On June 12 2015 18:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
[...]
3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more.

Could you expand on that ?

Saying "don't claim your role" is far too much of an overgeneralization. It doesn't account for the player's role, and it doesn't account for timing. And there's at least 1 Town role in this setup that I think should probably claim, and should probably do so early in the game.

I am also not sure it's wise to be telling Newbies to find only one player they think is Mafia. You're not always going to be able to convince people that your target is a good lynch. Having a secondary target could help you inspire people to make a lynch that would also be good. Having two suspects doesn't always mean you're relying on unflipped associations. Looking for more than one target helps a player keep an open mind. Rules 2 and 3 of batsnacks' advice are basically "a guide on how to tunnel." Again, there's nothing wrong with giving advice. But I think his advice is bad.
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