EPTNewbie Student Mafia XI - Page 15
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Rels
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
And it makes no sense to lie about your real life actions. I think the apology for not showing up is scummy though and that he didnt even do shit after that post is really bad. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Even discarding that, that entrance post screams mafia: fluff + excuse. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 11 2015 12:15 Onegu wrote: We have all but one confirmed. If we have too will replace him if it is only one person. The one he's talking about here is plants. So he did send a confirm PM after this post by Onegu. If he didn't have he would have been replaced. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote: [...] 3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more. Could you expand on that ? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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boxerfred
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 12 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote: Some players are almost impossible to judge so far. I think FakePlants has been a virtual non-participant to this point, and I think boxerfred has been a literal non-participant (I do not remember seeing one post from him yet). I voted against batsnacks. 1) I can understand him being upset about ruXxar's roleclaim, but I don't get using it as the basis for voting against him. 2) When I tried to engage him in discussion about the likely motivations for ruXxar's actions, batsnacks withdrew, basically telling me that it isn't his job to help any other player defend themselves. 3) I think his "quick and easy how to play town guide" contains at least one bit of bad advice, and maybe more. This isn't a very good case. Do I have to respond to this or will you forget about me eventually? Lol | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
1) if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset. 2) it isn't my job to defend other players, especially <6 hours into the game, it is their job to defend themselves. 3) my town guide is solid. Everyone should follow it. 4) all the stuff you have issues with and all of these responses I would say as either alignment. You can't scum read me for any of it. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Here is a good case. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: OK I finally found a mafia. First post of his. Next to last to enter the thread. Just fluff on the first paragraph. What is really scum is the second paragraph. Two points: - He enter the thread late and feels he needs to post an excuse. To me, he had the mindset of entering the thread without saying anything, and apologizing so people like him. - His excuse is false. We all had to confirm yesterday, so that's not possible that he did not check TL the last couple of days, or that he believed that someone else took his spot. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On June 12 2015 17:46 Rels wrote: Hahaha But really this post is exactly what you're saying not to do. Agree with oats completly: I don't think that's a post you want to be agreeing with. We should not disparage the idea of posts that give advice, most especially in a Newbie game. I certainly hope that the other Town players will give me some good advice, at some point in the game. And if they aren't scumhunting in that same moment, it won't make good advice any less good. Kickstart has said (and then re-emphasized) that: "the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum." Firstly, I'm not sure I agree with him. If I could only look Town or find Scum, I would probably rather find Scum. If I then get mislynched (because I didn't convince enough people that I was Town) then the work I did finding Scum could still get that player lynched soon afterward. But what's more relevant to this conversation is: IF looking Town is more important than finding Scum, then how does one show themselves to be Town WITHOUT scumhunting? Well, one good way is definitely "by giving helpful advice." On June 12 2015 16:45 Rels wrote: Why are you defending him so early. This was explained before you got here. If you read the whole thread before you post, then you won't end up clogging the pages with questions that were already answered. There's some "advice" for you.  | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 12 2015 21:53 Rels wrote: Don't care that you think it's forced. Good if you agree that it's scummy. I'll keep it in mind. Vote for him if you don't find anything scummier. I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 12 2015 22:12 batsnacks wrote: I wasn't implying that your post was forced I was implying that plants post was seemed forced. Or do you not care that I think plants post was forced? No you're right I thought you said my post was forced. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
Saying "don't claim your role" is far too much of an overgeneralization. It doesn't account for the player's role, and it doesn't account for timing. And there's at least 1 Town role in this setup that I think should probably claim, and should probably do so early in the game. I am also not sure it's wise to be telling Newbies to find only one player they think is Mafia. You're not always going to be able to convince people that your target is a good lynch. Having a secondary target could help you inspire people to make a lynch that would also be good. Having two suspects doesn't always mean you're relying on unflipped associations. Looking for more than one target helps a player keep an open mind. Rules 2 and 3 of batsnacks' advice are basically "a guide on how to tunnel." Again, there's nothing wrong with giving advice. But I think his advice is bad. | ||
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