Newbie Student Mafia XI - Page 16

On June 12 2015 22:05 n00bKing wrote:

I don't think that's a post you want to be agreeing with. We should not disparage the idea of posts that give advice, most especially in a Newbie game. I certainly hope that the other Town players will give me some good advice, at some point in the game. And if they aren't scumhunting in that same moment, it won't make good advice any less good.

Kickstart has said (and then re-emphasized) that: "the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum."

Firstly, I'm not sure I agree with him. If I could only look Town or find Scum, I would probably rather find Scum. If I then get mislynched (because I didn't convince enough people that I was Town) then the work I did finding Scum could still get that player lynched soon afterward. But what's more relevant to this conversation is: IF looking Town is more important than finding Scum, then how does one show themselves to be Town WITHOUT scumhunting? Well, one good way is definitely "by giving helpful advice."


This was explained before you got here. If you read the whole thread before you post, then you won't end up clogging the pages with questions that were already answered. There's some "advice" for you.

On June 12 2015 14:40 n00bKing wrote:

It's productive for Town for you to defend him, IF he is also Town. We can expect that at some point a few of the Newbies will need help with defending themselves (I could easily end up being one of them). And no, that shouldn't be your primary focus, but we all have a responsibility to try and prevent a mislynch when possible.

Two posts later is when you told us all about repetition of danger. Was that productive for the Town?

Side note: I don't know if there are any female players in the game, so if I refer to a "her" as a "him" please correct me.

On June 12 2015 22:16 n00bKing wrote:

Saying "don't claim your role" is far too much of an overgeneralization. It doesn't account for the player's role, and it doesn't account for timing. And there's at least 1 Town role in this setup that I think should probably claim, and should probably do so early in the game.

I am also not sure it's wise to be telling Newbies to find only one player they think is Mafia. You're not always going to be able to convince people that your target is a good lynch. Having a secondary target could help you inspire people to make a lynch that would also be good. Having two suspects doesn't always mean you're relying on unflipped associations. Looking for more than one target helps a player keep an open mind. Rules 2 and 3 of batsnacks' advice are basically "a guide on how to tunnel." Again, there's nothing wrong with giving advice. But I think his advice is bad.

On June 12 2015 21:16 batsnacks wrote:
This isn't a very good case.

[b]batsnacks wrote:[/b ]if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset.

On June 12 2015 22:17 Rels wrote:
I feel that you're spending a lot of times giving "advices" and defending people. That's it.

Rels wrote: Anyway n00bking, all you're saying makes sense. You give good advices and your defenses are good. But two things:
- you should let newbies defend themselves, espacially early day 1.

On June 12 2015 11:41 Kickstart wrote:

You could be right, and as I said I usually do give players I don't know and new players the benefit of the doubt, but as I said the fact that he has done several things that I think are scummy and none that I deem towny is why I presented this and asked for peoples thought.
Also, the goal of town is not to protect themselves from a mafia nightkill. This doesn't matter in the slightest unless you are a blue role or something, and even then, the #1 goal of town should always be to show that they are town through their actions, and coming in a close second is helping to find scum. Sitting back and not being a target is literally the last thing you want to do as town because it makes it hard to read you, which is shit for town but good for scum because they already know your alignment while town doesn't.

On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.

Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.

I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts.

On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.

Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.

The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence.

On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

On June 12 2015 22:39 n00bKing wrote:

I understand what you're saying. And trust me, if there were more people sounding suspicious to me, I would be talking about that. But so far, batsnacks is the only player that has more than one post that rubs me the wrong way. People like Moosy and FakePlants have only made one post apiece that struck me odd.

So I've been talking some about batsnacks, since that's who I'm voting against. But in the absence of other good targets, I thought it would be better to give some advice and defend some people, than to do nothing. If no one here has played the game with me before, you don't want me lurking. It's better to have me on the record with some opinions than not.

I defended non-newbies too. I was just concerned that in a Newbie game, a bandwagon on a bad lynch target could get rolling pretty easily, if no one points out flaws in the reasoning being used against that player. But okay, I will let people do more of their own work. Thanks for the "advice."

On June 12 2015 09:36 batsnacks wrote:
Through repetition of danger we grow accustomed to it. Water sets the example for the right conduct under such circumstances. It flows on and on, and merely fills up all the places through which it flows; it does not shrink from any dangerous spot nor from any plunge, and nothing can make it lose its own essential nature. It remains true to itself under all conditions. Thus likewise, if one is sincere when confronted with difficulties, the heart can penetrate the meaning of the situation. And once we have gained inner mastery of a problem, it will come about naturally that the action we take will succeed. In danger all that counts is really carrying out all that has to be done.

Properly used, danger can have an important meaning as a protective measure. Thus heaven has its perilous height protecting it against every attempt at invasion, and earth has its mountains and bodies of water, separating countries by their dangers. Thus also rulers make use of danger to protect themselves against attacks from without and against turmoil within.

On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

1. don't claim your role
   
2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
   
3. say why this 1 person is mafia
   
4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.
   

On June 12 2015 22:32 batsnacks wrote:
>.>

Anyway... I don't feel like talking about this anymore. I changed my mind noobking you can find 2 scum reads. Keep your vote on me and find another another mafia.

On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

On June 12 2015 21:25 batsnacks wrote:
I'm bored

On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.

On June 12 2015 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Back from streaming

Town tier: Oats, Kickstart, Moosy
Blergh tier: Almost everybody
Scum tier: Geript, noobking

2 ez

On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.