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On June 12 2015 11:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:44 Kickstart wrote:On June 12 2015 11:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On that note, why you getting so offensive bro? My post does not attempt to scumread you, I'm just trying to interpret ruXx's posts in a different light. Is the reason you're getting offensive about people scumreading you is because you're actually scum? I always get defensive when people scum read me. Because they always do it based on nothing or bullshit reasons. Again I will refer you to my previous games, which I have already asked people to do if they have concerns about my style. Yeah dont do this. Stop asking people to do your work for you. If you really think that your previous town and scumgames have a huge difference in the way you post, then show some examples if you want to use that as a reason for people to townread you.
Pretty much done interacting with you. You always get on my nerves and you always read me wrong. I asked people to do no work. If someone scum reads me for my general posting or the way I play, then THEY should read my fucking game history because they have no fucking reason to be suspicious of my posting style or playstyle if they don't know how I normally post or play.
I am going to ignore you for a bit because you just annoy me and I don't agree with anything you have said this game and I haven't agreed with anything you have said in other games. And I will post what I want, get off your high horse.
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Like everything you say is just nonsense and it irks me so fucking much. I can't help but just argue with you the entirety of every game I'm in with you because you literally make no fucking sense.
You make up some bullshit about people voting someone who claims VT being scummy. Nonsense.
You also appeal to the thread twice so far with "Can we just kill XXXXX". Why are you so keen on having everyone just vote on somebody. Scum are the ones who don't care who gets lynched, town shouldn't and doesn't think this way.
You then get in your head that I have a town read on someone just because I don't agree with your nonsense scumread on them.
And your most recent posts are just lecturing me.
Just go away already.
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Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start.
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On June 12 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start.
Why is this post edited. DO not edit your posts.
And yes, he annoys me. I thought maybe after 3 years it would be different but nope, he still does.
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On June 12 2015 11:48 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote:@Kickstart the initial scumread on you is essentially cause most of your posts up to that point were filler although that seems to not be true anymore. Regarding ruXxar answer me this: A common mafia tell for new players is to both refrain from posting and to be timid in their posts however as n00bKing pointed out neither of these are true for ruXxar; and in your own post you say ruXxar falls for a different new player tell by citing his inexperience. So why is it that some of these tells apply to ruXx but others don't? I don't really think your question makes sense but Ill attempt to answer anyways. First off, just because a player does X doest not mean they are scum. If ruXxar had lurked and been timid in his posting that doesn't automatically make him mafia, nor does my point about him citing his inexperience make him mafia. The point is that these are some traps that inexperienced scum players fall into for different reasons. Asking why he doesn't do one but does another just makes no sense to me. I mean, I've not played with him before but it seems he isn't the quiet passive type so by definition the first "tell" you cited wouldn't be a tell of his would it?
K, the way I am interpreting this answer is "it is not one tell that makes a mafia, but the sum of all their actions" which I actually like.
On June 12 2015 11:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
I just think that ruxx isnt mafia and you are trying too hard to make up a case on him.
How is that true at all? Like quote the exact text where you think he is stretching for a read.
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On June 12 2015 12:00 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start. Why is this post edited. DO not edit your posts. And yes, he annoys me. I thought maybe after 3 years it would be different but nope, he still does.
Sorry, edited from "Wwell, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster" -> "Well at least from this, we now know why Kickstart voted for Oatsmaster at the start"
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Anyways going to go lay down. Might be back in a couple hours or be asleep for the night and not be back for 8-9ish hours or so.
Just want to say that I hope everyone posts and interacts in the thread and don't be afraid to post your thoughts. As a new town player your #1 job is to show that you are town, and you can only do this by being active in the thread and being open and honest with your opinions.
Alright later everyone.
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On June 12 2015 11:57 Kickstart wrote:
Like everything you say is just nonsense and it irks me so fucking much. I can't help but just argue with you the entirety of every game I'm in with you because you literally make no fucking sense.
You make up some bullshit about people voting someone who claims VT being scummy. Nonsense.
You also appeal to the thread twice so far with "Can we just kill XXXXX". Why are you so keen on having everyone just vote on somebody. Scum are the ones who don't care who gets lynched, town shouldn't and doesn't think this way.
You then get in your head that I have a town read on someone just because I don't agree with your nonsense scumread on them.
And your most recent posts are just lecturing me.
Just go away already.
am I mafia?
I think that you really care about my read on Bats, and you call it nonsensical, but you dont think hes town. Theres a disassociation here. Why do you care that I want to lynch your nullread?
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K, so I read the General Guide that's on the site, before joining this game. And I'd like to highlight what I think is one of the most important sections in it, for Town play:
Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. This paralyzes town analysis and decision-making and allows mafia to hide in the chaos
Make posts and be active, yes. But don't make posts JUST so that you can say you've been active. If our posts are focused, and if we prioritize quality over quantity, it will give the bad guys less opportunity to shroud themselves with all the clutter.
Game started on Page 7, and by Page 9, we were already violating this principle.
On Page 9, Trfel is quoting his OWN posts from Page 8 and insisting that people counter his argument or follow his vote. Give people more than a couple of hours to show up and read and comment, before you ask why they aren't commenting and start repeating yourself.
On Page 9, batsnacks posts some philosophy about the nature of danger. I'm sure he won't make a habit of posting things like that, because it's just filler, and filler is exactly what we don't need.
I'm not going to spend the rest of the game keeping a running tally of all the times people are clogging up the thread with posts that are devoid of content. This is a one-shot thing. But I hope people will take the message to heart, because that's an excerpt from the Guide that I really think is spot on.
And with that said, I'll be making a bunch of posts tonight before bed (including one with a vote!) but I'll try to make sure that each of them is saying or asking something worthwhile.
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Actually i have no idea why kickstart is so salty.
Its only like 8 hours into the game
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oh man thats a horrific post....
ARGH.
Like it doesnt scumhunt at all.
Its just advice.
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you know, quoting the post doesnt show that its edited. Probably should link the post instead.
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Lying is a powerful tool that when used in the right situation can greatly benefit one's interests.
I really don't like this idea from ruX. If town lies and gets lynched then what information did that townie provide? Are you trying to lure out mafia by lying? Mafia has more information at the beginning and can utilize lying better than town, especially if it comes from a townie.
Sorry for being late to the thread, I did not check TL the last couple of days after I thought someone else beat me to a newbie slot. Good to be here!
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I'll go ahead and unvote Kick since his filter is no longer just fluff.
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Why does mafia rux say that lying is good Fake? what is his motivation to promote town lying?
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On June 12 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote:
RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me.
I disagree. He wouldn't dare say this as scum, unless he actually believes that it is acceptable and beneficial for town to lie. And as town, he would only say this if he actually believes it (yes, I see the irony). Either alignment, he's saying something that he believes to be true, so this isn't alignment indicative.
It's not just about what he might believe to be true. It's the carefree nature with which he shared his beliefs. Even if a Mafia player thought it was in the Town's best interests for Townies to lie about certain things, he might still have reservations about saying so, because of how it could be perceived. RuXx stated his opinion/belief without fear of consequence (maybe without even considering the consequence). That doesn't sound like Newbie Scum to me.
Newbie Scum: Cautious
Newbie Blue Role: Somewhat Cautious
Newbie Vanilla: Excited to try and scumhunt, without worrying too much about his own image in the game
If RuXx is scum, then the Vanilla claim was a very nice touch, because it fits with the rest of his demeanor.
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Back from streaming
Town tier: Oats, Kickstart, Moosy
Blergh tier: Almost everybody
Scum tier: Geript, noobking
2 ez
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On June 12 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote:
I don't think it would be productive for town for me to defend ruxxar. He's a big boy.
It's productive for Town for you to defend him, IF he is also Town. We can expect that at some point a few of the Newbies will need help with defending themselves (I could easily end up being one of them). And no, that shouldn't be your primary focus, but we all have a responsibility to try and prevent a mislynch when possible.
Two posts later is when you told us all about repetition of danger. Was that productive for the Town?
Side note: I don't know if there are any female players in the game, so if I refer to a "her" as a "him" please correct me.
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On June 12 2015 11:11 geript wrote:
IDK what moosy is honestly. I kinda think he's mafia because for the most part no one commented on what's like the easiest post to shit all over but I'm the only person who's seemingly have a thought about him.
Don't care too much for this reasoning. This early in the game, it could easily have been the case that 2 of the 3 Mafia members hadn't even seen the post yet. Or the Mafia members could all be Newbies who don't even know what posts they should be looking to shit all over.
At this stage, your top suspect(s) should be someone that you think is more likely to be Mafia than the average player. But it's a little crazy for you to already classify someone as being more likely to be Mafia than to be Town.
There are 12 other players besides yourself. If you're Town, 9 of those other players are Town. Every other player is 75% likely to be Town. Someone says something suspicious, maybe you bump him down to 72%, and he's the most likely player to be Mafia now. Bumping someone below 50%? That should take something pretty serious. Much more dramatic than the kind of thing you're talking about.
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