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On June 13 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:Scott31337: You gave a slight townread on ruXxar, but then put him in your could lynch category. What changed? Your explanation is based on stuff that he said before you gave your slight townread on him. When I together that list, he had not posted at all since this morning. It has faded since then with his inactivity. Now that you say something, he is from Norway and could be time zones for the reason. He should be back on in a couple hours then instead. One more question: Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:
Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. What do you mean by the bolded?
Bat was the wagon with three votes when I replaced out. I asked him about the voters on him, and I see more of a defensive town at the moment. A couple of my town reads agree.
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On June 13 2015 08:54 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Trfel wrote:
1. Of course Rels says he was making posts as he read. The fact is that we have no way to verify this, and that there is no good town motivation to do this. I agree with you that there is no good town motivation to do that. But do you also agree with me that there is actually scum motivation to NOT do that? Sorry, I just realized that I missed this question.
There is some scum motivation not to do that, but there's a lot more scum motivation TO do it. A whole lot more than the town motivation, anyway.
I know you are scumreading batsnacks. What do you think about Sulfurus, Rels, and scott31337?
On June 13 2015 15:17 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:Scott31337: You gave a slight townread on ruXxar, but then put him in your could lynch category. What changed? Your explanation is based on stuff that he said before you gave your slight townread on him. When I together that list, he had not posted at all since this morning. It has faded since then with his inactivity. Now that you say something, he is from Norway and could be time zones for the reason. He should be back on in a couple hours then instead. One more question: On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:
Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. What do you mean by the bolded? Bat was the wagon with three votes when I replaced out. I asked him about the voters on him, and I see more of a defensive town at the moment. A couple of my town reads agree. Formatting XD
But anyway, it's not in batsnacks' playstyle to be defensive at all. I already shared that in my first game ever, he actually made a post drawing attention to my case on him, and later hammered himself because posting a vote on a phone was troublesome enough to make him let himself die instead.
I already showed why I disagree with your example of his posting being towny. I don't understand where you are coming from.
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On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?
I would definitely lynch and Kick and I would be fine with a Geript lynch. Wave was very quick and eager to lynch on me and Damdred has posted too little for me to read him as town.
And no I don't think Bats has been more town recently at all.
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Sulfurus, can you please answer my question here?On June 13 2015 13:56 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:
If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure. What makes you sure?
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@trfel this post. It made me realize that just because Bats was town last time I tried to lynch doesn't mean it should stop me this time.
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Also I feel bad for saying I would lynch Damdred when he hasn't posted much. So now he isn't on my lynch list.
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On June 13 2015 16:00 Sulfurus wrote:
Also I feel bad for saying I would lynch Damdred when he hasn't posted much. So now he isn't on my lynch list. Why is him not posting much alignment indicative? Why does that have any effect on who you want to lynch?
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On June 13 2015 15:22 Trfel wrote:
There is some scum motivation not to do that, but there's a lot more scum motivation TO do it. A whole lot more than the town motivation, anyway.
Please explain further. What is the scum motivation to do that?
Trfel wrote:
I know you are scumreading batsnacks. What do you think about Sulfurus, Rels, and scott31337?
This should help a little:
n00bKing wrote: So far, scott is not sounding as suspicious as FakePlants did. So I'll bump him down my list a little.
I do not care for the tone of Sulfurus' posts. He would probably be my #2 lynch right now.
Those trends have continued. Sulfurus remains a Top 2 lynch target for me, and I would be tempted to switch my vote to him, except that I have to stay on batsnacks so he will blow up the thread.
FakePlants had made a bad post and then lurked. But now that he's been replaced, the lurking can't really be seen as suspicious anymore.
Couple of things I like about his replacement:
1) Scott's first post in the thread says he's not liking me, due to wordy posts and fluff. But less than 30 minutes later, he says that he likes Oat's post about how I look Townie, for continuing my posting style even after being warned about it. And he says that "makes a lot of sense." This quick turnaround looks to me like "stream of consciousness" type stuff, as he makes his way through the thread, rather than prepared statements.
2) All those posts from Scott come pretty quickly after he is placed in the game. He wouldn't have had much opportunity to confer with scum teammates before deciding which direction to go on things.
3) His reads list looks pretty legit to me. I'm not especially interested in lynching the people he claims to trust, and all the people I feel like I should be lynching are people he's willing to lynch as well. This won't be a big deal to every player, but it counts for something with me.
Rels? Dunno, man. He looks a lot to me like he did in Newbie X, when he was Town. But some of the veterans in this game are seeing stuff from him they don't like. I'm not ready to try and pass judgment on Rels, I'll just have to keep watching him.
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Okay, one last post, then bed, and I'll see everyone in the morning.
What's the prevailing philosophy around here on whether (or when) Carl should roleclaim? Seems to me that if he remains hidden, there is all kinds of potential for disaster, and maybe even moreso in a Newbie game.
So does someone with that type of role usually roleclaim? If not, why not? And if so, is it usually done Day 1, or not until after Night 1 begins?
I can see some distinct advantages of him claiming during Day 1, instead of waiting for Night. If the claim goes uncountered (and comes from anyone that doesn't have a bunch of votes stacked up on them) then we have a largely confirmed Townie. Anyone who had previously voted against that player gets a small strike against them, for barking up the wrong tree. And Carl's vote in the batsnacks/Sulfurus debate takes on extra weight, because although Carl could still be incorrect, at least we could expect that he's not incorrect on purpose.
I feel like this topic should have probably been raised a while ago, but I kept waiting and waiting, to see who would bring it up, so that I could award them some Town Cred just for mentioning it. (Guess I have to give the Town Cred to myself now? w00t?)
Anyway, interested in hearing other opinions on this.
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On June 13 2015 16:47 n00bKing wrote:
Okay, one last post, then bed, and I'll see everyone in the morning.
What's the prevailing philosophy around here on whether (or when) Carl should roleclaim? Seems to me that if he remains hidden, there is all kinds of potential for disaster, and maybe even moreso in a Newbie game.
So does someone with that type of role usually roleclaim? If not, why not? And if so, is it usually done Day 1, or not until after Night 1 begins?
I can see some distinct advantages of him claiming during Day 1, instead of waiting for Night. If the claim goes uncountered (and comes from anyone that doesn't have a bunch of votes stacked up on them) then we have a largely confirmed Townie. Anyone who had previously voted against that player gets a small strike against them, for barking up the wrong tree. And Carl's vote in the batsnacks/Sulfurus debate takes on extra weight, because although Carl could still be incorrect, at least we could expect that he's not incorrect on purpose.
I feel like this topic should have probably been raised a while ago, but I kept waiting and waiting, to see who would bring it up, so that I could award them some Town Cred just for mentioning it. (Guess I have to give the Town Cred to myself now? w00t?)
Anyway, interested in hearing other opinions on this.
Thinking about it I agree with it. There is no good reason to stay hidden if you're Carl. My reasonning is:
- if you're a someone most people sees at townie, you take the risk of killing the doctor
- if you're someone people are suspicious of, you take the risk of killing the cop or the vigi
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On June 13 2015 09:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.
Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.
But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it. Reasoning for us three?
Just quote off my mind people not voting. What I wanted to exprim is this:
On June 13 2015 15:07 n00bKing wrote:
Situation: 11 players have votes in place, and 2 players are not voting. All 11 of the votes are on either batsnacks or Sulfurus. No one has a vote on anyone else.
At this stage of a Day 1, I'm more used to seeing a smattering of votes on some other miscellaneous players too. Maybe partially because the scum team doesn't want to have all their votes in one place, so they fan out some (and maybe a random Townie or two gets tunneled on their respective targets, and won't budge, even though no one else has any interest in following along).
Theory: This situation makes it pretty likely that one of the two players receiving votes is actually scum, and that we don't have a Town vs. Town situation for our two vote leaders. The scum team has not been able to fan out their votes, because they've needed "all hands on deck" to make sure that the scum player doesn't take a runaway lead in the voting.
Conclusion: Even though there's a lot of time left in the Phase, we may not want to introduce a third lynch target, and should instead stick to trying to pick between these two (since, if the Theory is correct, one of them would flip Red).
Thoughts? Does the Theory seem reasonable, or is the Situation more likely just an odd coincidence?
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I went through batsnacks past games and I have two things to share with you all.
First thing
On June 13 2015 09:39 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 09:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote:
Last game D1 you didn't do a whole lot either if I remember correctly. In both game you also posted a nonsense post to gauge reactions. Yeah you're totally wrong and that is points against you. The only time I posted nonsense that game was at night and that's because I was the cop and did not want to get killed. Definitely not true. I expect he is talking about this steaming pile here, which was posted early in Day 1, and not at night: batsnacks wrote:
above is THE JOYOUS, LAKE
below is KEEPING STILL, MOUNTAIN
Influence. Success.
When a weak element is above (the lake) and a strong element is below (the mountain), their powers attract each other so that they unite. This brings about success, for all success depends on the effect of mutual attraction
Perseverance furthers.
By keeping still within while experiencing joy without, one can prevent the joy from going to excess and hold it within proper bounds. This is the meaning of, "Perseverance furthers."
To take a maiden to wife brings good fortune
Heaven and earth attract each other and thus all creatures come into being. From the attractions they exert we can learn the nature of all beings in heaven and on earth.
A lake on the mountain:
The image of influence.
Thus the superior man encourages people to approach him
By his readiness to receive them.
A mountain with a lake on its summit is stimulated by the moisture from the lake. It has this advantage because its summit does not jut out as a peak but is sunken. The image counsels that the mind should be kept humble and free, so that it may remain receptive to good advice. People soon give up counseling a man who thinks that he knows everything better than anyone else.
The influence shows itself in the calves of the legs.
Misfortune.
Tarrying brings good fortune.
In movement, the calf of the leg follows the foot; by itself it can neither go forward nor stand still. Since the movement is not self-governed, it bodes ill. One should wait quietly until one is impelled to action by a real influence. Then one remains uninjured. Your philosophical post about danger in this game looks a bit like a forced attempt to duplicate the same kind of nonsense you kicked off the last game with (since it was very recent, and people will remember you were Town). Meanwhile, you never answered my question about approximately how many times you've been assigned a scum role in these games. [...] Also I only provide iching commentary when I'm town so I thank you for bringing this up.
That's true. I found 3 games where I did something similar, all of them town. Posts in spoiler if you're curious.
+ Show Spoiler +
Second thing
On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.
Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.
Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta. Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried? Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right. I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much. You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster.
That's not as extreme as he's saying, but it is true. In particular, look at the size of the filters of these two games. In both he got lynched D1. Can you guess in which one he was scum ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?user=batsnacks
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469267-fantasy-football-mafia-mini-2?user=batsnacks
If you don't wanna play the guessing game: he has two times more post in the first game, where he was town.
Conclusion
By meta I don't think BS is mafia this game.
##Unvote
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Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality.
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On June 13 2015 16:47 n00bKing wrote:
Okay, one last post, then bed, and I'll see everyone in the morning.
What's the prevailing philosophy around here on whether (or when) Carl should roleclaim? Seems to me that if he remains hidden, there is all kinds of potential for disaster, and maybe even moreso in a Newbie game.
So does someone with that type of role usually roleclaim? If not, why not? And if so, is it usually done Day 1, or not until after Night 1 begins?
I can see some distinct advantages of him claiming during Day 1, instead of waiting for Night. If the claim goes uncountered (and comes from anyone that doesn't have a bunch of votes stacked up on them) then we have a largely confirmed Townie. Anyone who had previously voted against that player gets a small strike against them, for barking up the wrong tree. And Carl's vote in the batsnacks/Sulfurus debate takes on extra weight, because although Carl could still be incorrect, at least we could expect that he's not incorrect on purpose.
I feel like this topic should have probably been raised a while ago, but I kept waiting and waiting, to see who would bring it up, so that I could award them some Town Cred just for mentioning it. (Guess I have to give the Town Cred to myself now? w00t?)
Anyway, interested in hearing other opinions on this.
I disagree.
There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles.
I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game.
This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning.
The chance of targeting Carl is very low.
I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia.
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I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now?
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Noob, generally people don't discuss blue roles or speculate on the setup because it's easy for mafia to do and it doesn't help us find mafia at all.
So spend your time finding mafia, not town pr.
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On June 13 2015 18:17 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 16:47 n00bKing wrote:
Okay, one last post, then bed, and I'll see everyone in the morning.
What's the prevailing philosophy around here on whether (or when) Carl should roleclaim? Seems to me that if he remains hidden, there is all kinds of potential for disaster, and maybe even moreso in a Newbie game.
So does someone with that type of role usually roleclaim? If not, why not? And if so, is it usually done Day 1, or not until after Night 1 begins?
I can see some distinct advantages of him claiming during Day 1, instead of waiting for Night. If the claim goes uncountered (and comes from anyone that doesn't have a bunch of votes stacked up on them) then we have a largely confirmed Townie. Anyone who had previously voted against that player gets a small strike against them, for barking up the wrong tree. And Carl's vote in the batsnacks/Sulfurus debate takes on extra weight, because although Carl could still be incorrect, at least we could expect that he's not incorrect on purpose.
I feel like this topic should have probably been raised a while ago, but I kept waiting and waiting, to see who would bring it up, so that I could award them some Town Cred just for mentioning it. (Guess I have to give the Town Cred to myself now? w00t?)
Anyway, interested in hearing other opinions on this. I disagree. There are 3 Mafia and 2 town roles. I believe that reducing kill power from 2 to 1 is the single most important factor in us winning the game. This would buy us so much time that we should have overwhelming odds of winning. The chance of targeting Carl is very low. I'm ok with taking the odds of a power role checking Carl if it means we increase our chances of killing mafia.
After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play.
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Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.
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On June 13 2015 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Btw I'm pretty sure there's only one kp.
can we get confirmation on whether there is 2 or 1 kp?
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On June 13 2015 18:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Did you see the quality of those posts though. Cause in this game, there is quantity but practically no quality.
I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him.
On June 13 2015 18:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think it's pretty unlikely we have a PGO.
Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games?
Also, who do you want to lynch now?
Just Bats seems like the easy target so I wanted to look at him more. The two posts I quote are statements he made to defend himself, so I wanted to see if he was lying to defend.
No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons:
- The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist
- The vote on BS is opportunist
But to me he's playing the same as last game I played with him. So I don't know.
Two suspicious people are geript and Damdred. Reasons for Damdred are easy, he didn't anything, so it's so weak. I'm reading geript's filter right now.
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