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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 02:07 GMT
#601
I guess it doesn't look like Rels is getting lynched today. This makes my decision easier.

##vote batsnacks

The filter length argument isn't very reliable, especially when the filter length is created after the need for it. Batsnacks' posts are made because he needs to survive. He isn't providing the additional content that would be expected for the large number of posts he's making, most of his posts don't say very much.

Town batsnacks normally plays with a mixture of jokes and serious reads. At the start of this game, his posting seemed balanced in this way, but he has made only serious posts for a very long time. The reason for this seems to be that people were scumreading him for his joke posts, and so he changed his play (see here). He didn't quote his meta, or explain why this isn't scummy, or defend himself by providing increased content. He just stopped playing in a way that he normally does, and posted more in quantity.

Most importantly, look at what batsnacks says about Rels.
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2015 21:44 batsnacks wrote:
I think plant's post is scummy but I don't exactly agree with the reasons you made, especially the IRL wifom. The post comes off to me as "Blah say something obvious, forced contribution vomit."
(responding to Rels' case on Fake)Plants)

Then he includes Rels in the "idk" category of his list post here.

Then I questioned batsnacks about Rels.
On June 13 2015 06:56 batsnacks wrote:
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On June 13 2015 06:49 Trfel wrote:
Batsnacks, any thoughts on Rels?


He made a case on plants that wasn't optimal. I thought plants was scummy for the short duration he/she was in the game but the focus of Rels' case was the excuse plants gave, which was not the scummiest part of plant's post. That has been most of Rels contribution to the game.
On June 13 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:
ebwop also Rels doesn't appear to have re-evaluated his plants read now that scott has replaced. If Rels is mafia that could be why.

Then I posted my case on Rels.
On June 13 2015 07:21 batsnacks wrote:
gj Trfel you found mafia

##unvote
##vote Rels
On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:
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On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?


Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet.
Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly?


Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that.
In this last post, batsnacks implies that he read Rels' filter sometime in between his list post and my case on him. This makes sense, given that I specifically asked him to provide a read on Rels. The thing that I do notice is that batsnacks is implying that reading Rels' filter made him scumread him more strongly. However, looking at the posts that he made on Rels right before I posted my case, he seems rather undecided on Rels, if anything thinking that Rels is only slightly worse than null.

So, Rels made a faked post that was an easy contribution. Then he didn't re-evaluate when the player he was scumreading (largely for inactivity) was replaced, and then batsnacks read Rels' filter and Rels looked scummier. But after all of this, batsnacks still doesn't even say that Rels is scummy when I asked him.

But despite all of this, my case on Rels is enough to almost instantly make batsnacks vote for Rels (but only after Damdred and geript approve of it).

I'm fairly comfortable with this, though I would like to see why Damdred and WaveofShadow don't want to lynch batsnacks.



Sulfurus has less than a page of filter. I've been waiting for him to start playing more actively, but he just... hasn't. I'm terrible at reading newbies, and I'm terrible at trying to figure out what is bad town and what is actual scum. I'd rather lynch someone who I feel at least a little confident in reading.

Sulfurus is actually putting out a decent number of reads, and with reasonable commitment. His read progression on Kickstart is logical, and since I'm pretty sure he has no experience playing with Kickstart before, I can definitely see him scumreading Kickstart but later changing his mind after seeing Kickstart play for a longer period of time (I reacted the same way to Kickstart when I first saw his play).
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 02:07 GMT
#602
@Wave are you really going to scum read just based on that one post? Besides that post is about Batsnacks so if you want to call it bad tell me why my logic on bats is flawed (who I believe is someone you scumread as well).
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 13 2015 02:11 GMT
#603
btw we still have like a day lol.

if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus.
No gg, No skill.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 13 2015 02:13 GMT
#604
On June 13 2015 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
K stuff I remember while reading earlier:
Geript might not be scum. At the very least I give him more time. Especially since nobody seems to want to comment on what I've brought and those who have have been completely noncomittal. Givin' me the jibblies.
##unvote: Geript

Trfel's posting looked pretty good at first glance. Liked the stuff he picked up on Rels. I want to do a once-over just to see any surface similarities between here and the last game I played with him (I think I was scum in that one) and see if anything jumps out at me either meta- or otherwise.

Sulf still looks like ass balls. Probably primary lynch for me right now.
##Vote: Sulfurus
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On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks

Like what IS this? Reiteration of stuff I already said, townreading me for no explained reason, opportunistic bats vote after being completely noncomittal about it earlier, and also while possibly attempting to pocket noob?
I dunno somebody mentioned that Sulfurus' meta is to post kinda shitty but I can honestly say I don't care about that here. Scummy posting is scummy.

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On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress.

Hated this post because it reads as though batsnacks was simply aiming for this the entire time. Wouldn't vote him because of it but ugh city.

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On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.

Wishy Washy very naughty.

eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.

This is STILL wishy-washy.

Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.

Yuuuppppp
Loving Moosy for this really. For the record I believe 'wishy-washy' on its own is a horrible scumtell. It's completely circumstantial and Moosy's play is pretty consistent although his continued attempts to purposefully draw attention to how inexperienced he is is starting to annoy me. We get it Moose, you're new. Just play the game now.

The pressure batsnacks is under brought Rels to the surface. I don't know if anything more needs to be said on him consider how opportunistic his vote was even after pressure seemed to be dying down a little, but now he looks like scum who got caught with his pants slightly down and is being forced to stick to his guns while at the same time looking for a way to get off a possible town wagon.
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On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.

Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.

But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it.

That is a godawful post ladies and gents. Keep an eye on this one.

Finally, Scott I want to know who your top lynch is.


I had it about a page back when Rels ask that Sulf is my top lynch at this time, and I think it's time to vote.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 02:22 GMT
#605
If I'm still leading in votes in approx 12 hours I am going to make this thread chaos. Goodnight!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 02:35 GMT
#606
before I go to sleep though... 21% of this game is my posts! And I'm leading in votes! For SHAME!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 13 2015 02:37 GMT
#607
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.

No gg, No skill.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 02:40 GMT
#608
On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.



This thread is gonna get destroyed if I'm the leading wagon tomorrow. GNIGHT SRSLY NOW.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 03:17 GMT
#609
On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.



If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure.

Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 03:39 GMT
#610
On June 13 2015 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
K stuff I remember while reading earlier:
Geript might not be scum. At the very least I give him more time. Especially since nobody seems to want to comment on what I've brought and those who have have been completely noncomittal. Givin' me the jibblies.
##unvote: Geript

Trfel's posting looked pretty good at first glance. Liked the stuff he picked up on Rels. I want to do a once-over just to see any surface similarities between here and the last game I played with him (I think I was scum in that one) and see if anything jumps out at me either meta- or otherwise.

Sulf still looks like ass balls. Probably primary lynch for me right now.
##Vote: Sulfurus
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks

Like what IS this? Reiteration of stuff I already said, townreading me for no explained reason, opportunistic bats vote after being completely noncomittal about it earlier, and also while possibly attempting to pocket noob?
I dunno somebody mentioned that Sulfurus' meta is to post kinda shitty but I can honestly say I don't care about that here. Scummy posting is scummy.

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress.

Hated this post because it reads as though batsnacks was simply aiming for this the entire time. Wouldn't vote him because of it but ugh city.

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On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.

Wishy Washy very naughty.

eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.

This is STILL wishy-washy.

Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.

Yuuuppppp
Loving Moosy for this really. For the record I believe 'wishy-washy' on its own is a horrible scumtell. It's completely circumstantial and Moosy's play is pretty consistent although his continued attempts to purposefully draw attention to how inexperienced he is is starting to annoy me. We get it Moose, you're new. Just play the game now.

The pressure batsnacks is under brought Rels to the surface. I don't know if anything more needs to be said on him consider how opportunistic his vote was even after pressure seemed to be dying down a little, but now he looks like scum who got caught with his pants slightly down and is being forced to stick to his guns while at the same time looking for a way to get off a possible town wagon.
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.

Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.

But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it.

That is a godawful post ladies and gents. Keep an eye on this one.

Finally, Scott I want to know who your top lynch is.

^ Basically this post. Sulfurus has been strange from the start. Although this may be how he posts, I don't see how he can change opinions so often and not have a clear stance.

Also, I only bring up the fact that I'm new because people keep on bringing up that ridiculous first post of mine. I understand it was silly of me and I've learned because of it but I seem to have to explain every time someone brings up that quote like it's groundbreaking or something.

On Rels, I've asked him about why he suspects us 3 so I'm looking for a REALLY good answer because that observation's even worse than trying to put me, batsnacks, and geript together.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 13 2015 04:28 GMT
#611
On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.



If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure.

Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then.

I think hes town, is that not clear lol.

If you scumread bats, then why did you mention all the people who were scumreading bats in your vote post? Shouldnt your own reasoning be sufficient to vote for him even if no one else is?
No gg, No skill.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 04:51 GMT
#612
On June 13 2015 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:
On June 13 2015 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I'm scum reading sulfurus because you are sleeping people onto bats, means you don't really tthink bats is mafia, but your town reads do so you value their opinion over yours.

Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat.
I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia.



If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure.

Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then.

I think hes town, is that not clear lol.

If you scumread bats, then why did you mention all the people who were scumreading bats in your vote post? Shouldnt your own reasoning be sufficient to vote for him even if no one else is?


This might be wrong but the way it was explained to me was that if you are being scumread and you need to lynch a mafia you should cite someone who is being townread since their word has more clout.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 04:56 GMT
#613
On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure.
What makes you sure?
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 13 2015 05:07 GMT
#614
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks


So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct?

Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no?

Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 05:12 GMT
#615
On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks


So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct?

Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no?

Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?
What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta?
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 13 2015 05:45 GMT
#616
On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks


So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct?

Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no?

Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?
What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta?


A lot of his posting recently- for an example

On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?


Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet.
Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly?


Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that.


Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 05:52 GMT
#617
On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:
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On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:
On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks


So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct?

Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no?

Who would you like to lynch besides Bats?
What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta?


A lot of his posting recently- for an example

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On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?


Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet.
Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly?


Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that.


Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia?
Well, town shouldn't be pocketing, they have no need for that.

While batsnacks' statement had the upside of pocketing, the main reason is that he needed to say that to survive. I've already explained why his scumread and vote for Rels doesn't make sense to me, especially since batsnacks is generally skeptical of my play.

I just don't feel like his posting and self-meta is genuine. Anyone can post a lot, anyone can self-meta, but it's harder to make the next step and deliver a bunch of quality reads and show a clear, towny thought process.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 13 2015 05:56 GMT
#618
On June 13 2015 11:22 batsnacks wrote:
If I'm still leading in votes in approx 12 hours I am going to make this thread chaos. Goodnight!

Very excited to see batsnacks try to blow up the thread. But what I don't like about this post is that I thought it might kill activity in the thread. If I had been voting against anyone but batsnacks, this post would make me want to switch to voting against him, and then just...wait 12 hours. And "just waiting 12 hours" is probably not what we should be doing on Day 1. Hopefully posts will continue to trickle in here and there.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 06:01 GMT
#619
Scott31337:

You gave a slight townread on ruXxar, but then put him in your could lynch category. What changed? Your explanation is based on stuff that he said before you gave your slight townread on him.

One more question:
On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:
Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet.
What do you mean by the bolded?
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 13 2015 06:07 GMT
#620
Situation: 11 players have votes in place, and 2 players are not voting. All 11 of the votes are on either batsnacks or Sulfurus. No one has a vote on anyone else.

At this stage of a Day 1, I'm more used to seeing a smattering of votes on some other miscellaneous players too. Maybe partially because the scum team doesn't want to have all their votes in one place, so they fan out some (and maybe a random Townie or two gets tunneled on their respective targets, and won't budge, even though no one else has any interest in following along).

Theory: This situation makes it pretty likely that one of the two players receiving votes is actually scum, and that we don't have a Town vs. Town situation for our two vote leaders. The scum team has not been able to fan out their votes, because they've needed "all hands on deck" to make sure that the scum player doesn't take a runaway lead in the voting.

Conclusion: Even though there's a lot of time left in the Phase, we may not want to introduce a third lynch target, and should instead stick to trying to pick between these two (since, if the Theory is correct, one of them would flip Red).

Thoughts? Does the Theory seem reasonable, or is the Situation more likely just an odd coincidence?
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