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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 21:09 GMT
#841
On June 14 2015 06:05 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.

We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.


Show nested quote +
Here. Let me learn you stupids up good in the english language.
Batsnacks question, "Why does mafia post this?" is what is called a rhetorical question. It presupposes the answer (that mafia doesn't post that). My response directly attacks the underlying assumption that mafia doesn't post like that. If I bothered to look, I bet I can find 2 games where I've made similar posts as mafia (as Sulfurous did). His (Sulfurous) post is not a post that is strictly alignment indicative. It can come from town and from mafia.

[image loading]
Here's my ass. Kiss it.


muah xxx
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 21:09 GMT
#842
On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:
Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.


How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read.

You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum.

This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost.

That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 13 2015 21:10 GMT
#843
Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are.

Lynch Rels or Sulf next
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 13 2015 21:10 GMT
#844
On June 14 2015 06:01 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not sure who takes priority between roleblocker and PGO, but lets assume that the PGO takes priority.

I would assume the opposite. If a PGO gets roleblocked, he can't kill anyone. You can ask the question, but I don't see how this is really debatable.
On June 14 2015 06:01 ruXxar wrote: From this I just realized I can't really see a clear reason why he should or shouldnt reveal himself, it all gets a bit too complicated for me.

*brain fried*

Well just trust me then, because it's not too complicated for me.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 21:10 GMT
#845
On June 14 2015 06:10 geript wrote:
Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are.

Lynch Rels or Sulf next

That was the plan. Which one would you prefer?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:10 GMT
#846
On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.

We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.



Wow bats... I'm speechless.

I had you and geript as my top two scum.

I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard.
You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes.

I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript.

##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 21:11 GMT
#847
On June 14 2015 06:10 geript wrote:
Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are.

Lynch Rels or Sulf next

Ok
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 21:12 GMT
#848
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 13 2015 21:13 GMT
#849
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 21:13 GMT
#850
@geript what about ruxxar?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 13 2015 21:13 GMT
#851
Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.

From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.

Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.

From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch.

Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 13 2015 21:15 GMT
#852
On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:
Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.


How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read.

You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum.

This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost.

That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself.

If only geript can explain, then have him explain. Ask him if what I assumed about his line of thinking is correct or not.

And he did NOT say that was one of his dumbest posts ever. He said batsnacks' argument against him was one of the dumbest posts ever. (And it's probably not, but it's one of the dumbest posts this game.)
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 21:15 GMT
#853
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.

Maybe because you put more effort into it when you're Mafia? I don't now, from the start it seemed you had a idgaf attitude which just got progressively worse where you contributed little or nothing and then to this contradiction. If you actually were a townie (which I highly doubt btw) I would recommend you actually put effort into finding the Mafia.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:16 GMT
#854
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.


If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 21:16 GMT
#855
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.


Dude the emo card doesn't work here. You made a massive contradiction that makes you look terrible. Why not be a man and own up to your mistakes (like I did with my opening) rather than just flinging shit at people?
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 21:20 GMT
#856
On June 14 2015 06:16 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.


If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense.

Even if he is a townie, it shows he wasn't a role with this post. He clearly wasn't vigilante and I doubt that he was doctor.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 21:21 GMT
#857
eh, geript is letting things slip more and more.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 13 2015 21:21 GMT
#858
On June 14 2015 06:16 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.


If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense.

Probably agree. This will neuter his role if he is Allen or Neil. But it's still better than lynching those roles.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 21:21 GMT
#859
I need to head off now, I'll do my best to be back before the deadline, but can't guarantee it. Family comes first.

I think I've only lynched scum on Day 1 once before. And never in a newbie game.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 13 2015 21:25 GMT
#860
On June 14 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 06:16 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.

Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.


If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense.

Even if he is a townie, it shows he wasn't a role with this post. He clearly wasn't vigilante and I doubt that he was doctor.


I also doubt it, but I'm just saying that if he wants to have any chance to recover from this blow he needs to provide some really convincing evidence.

We also have to think about the implication of geript being mafia.
It means that now rels would actually be confirmed town and yet there were strong accusations against him not too long ago.
This means that his play so far has been his standard townplay, and all the cues we used to read him as mafia for are useless.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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