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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 12 2015 23:11 GMT
#541
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:14 GMT
#542
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 12 2015 23:18 GMT
#543
On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right.

I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 12 2015 23:20 GMT
#544
On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.

Wishy Washy very naughty.

eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.

This is STILL wishy-washy.

Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:23 GMT
#545
On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right.

I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much.


You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 12 2015 23:24 GMT
#546
To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't).

Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels.

Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx).

So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game.

##Vote: Batsnacks
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:25 GMT
#547
On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.

Wishy Washy very naughty.

eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.

This is STILL wishy-washy.

Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.


No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 23:25 GMT
#548
Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true.

I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them.

First point
You don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else. More than that, a few hours ago, you discussed people you wanted to make a case on but you're still undecided. In particular what is this post:
On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty


Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me.

Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~


What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me.

Here's would lynch:
3)MoosyDoosy
4)Sulfurus
7)Fake)Plants
2)batsnacks
3)Trfel


here's idk can't form opinion:
6)damdred
1)Rels
4)WaveofShadow
5)geript
5)ruXxar

Here's would not lynch:
2)n00bKing
1)Kickstart
6)Oatsmaster

HELP

Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.

I hate that you are giving him targets on the basis of "you only need to convince two guys for those targets". Almost look like you want him to make a case, join him, and push the blame on him later. I also hate this sentence: "Sulfurus looks easiest is you want to make a case." Go make one yourself if you're so confident.
Plus, you make this post to the guy voting you.
Really, I liked your filter way than expected, but I hate this post.

Second point
I find it weird that you say the following: newbie must be on mafia team, because otherwise they would have pushed on my first post. I find it weird that you felt the need to say it, against a super weak attack ("mafia should have pushed this post and didn't so moosy is mafia", more or less).
Here are the posts I'm talking about:
On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide.

On June 13 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 03:34 geript wrote:
Nah. It'd be pretty odd if there wasn't at least 1 veteran on the mafia team.

I'm re-reading posts right now to make a list, but the veteran(s) had to be inactive at the start to not point it out. On the other hand, any newbie might be the Mafia.

MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 12 2015 23:26 GMT
#549
^ As a note, it was not n00bking who first defended ruXxar as townie, it was me.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:27 GMT
#550
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 23:30 GMT
#551
On June 13 2015 08:04 scott31337 wrote:
Rels I think you're required to revote after a replacement.

Alright. Will look through your posts before doing that!
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 12 2015 23:33 GMT
#552
On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right.

I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much.


You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster.
And you only started doing this once you started getting voted, and while your posts are numerous, they don't have that much content.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 12 2015 23:33 GMT
#553
On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.

Sad part is I agree with this
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n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 12 2015 23:35 GMT
#554
On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.

I wouldn't mind if your opinion changes over the course of a Phase. But your position was changing over the course of ONE post. It's your fence-straddling that is unappealing to me. People want Town players to take a stand on issues, and try to avoid taking both sides.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 12 2015 23:35 GMT
#555
On June 13 2015 08:25 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.

Wishy Washy very naughty.

eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.

This is STILL wishy-washy.

Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.


No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy.

Got you.

Alright, I said this BEFORE n00bking as well, but I can read Rels as townie. Trfel's point that Rels' early posts were filler is false because Rels said he was making posts as he read. That makes that first post invalid.

Trfel's second point that Rels spotted Plants as an easy target is something that I can agree with. Plants' post seemed like something a newbie would make so Rels might have been trying to take advantage of it.

Trfel's third point is something that I disagree with. I'm pretty sure that ruXxar is an excited newbie unless he does something else really strange so I don't agree with the reasoning of the post.

So overall, sure it might be worth looking at Rels, but definitely not worth voting for this round.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 12 2015 23:36 GMT
#556
On June 13 2015 08:35 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.

I wouldn't mind if your opinion changes over the course of a Phase. But your position was changing over the course of ONE post. It's your fence-straddling that is unappealing to me. People want Town players to take a stand on issues, and try to avoid taking both sides.

I wasn't changing sides in one post, I was saying my opinion slightly changed.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 12 2015 23:38 GMT
#557
On June 13 2015 08:25 Rels wrote:
Fuck I was making a case on you moosy but reading your filter a lot of my points are false. Like I was saying you kept repeating that you were newb. Actually it's not true.

I still have two things left in my suspicion of you, so could you please comment on them.

First point
You don't take any stand. Not against me nor anyone else.

I guess he is sorta/kinda suggesting geript as a lynch? But if you think Moosy doesn't take any stands in this thread, he especially doesn't take any in the voting thread.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 12 2015 23:38 GMT
#558
On June 13 2015 08:33 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.

Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.

Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.


Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried?
Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right.

I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much.


You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster.
And you only started doing this once you started getting voted, and while your posts are numerous, they don't have that much content.


Don't you wound me like that I have been getting plenty done.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 12 2015 23:40 GMT
#559
On June 13 2015 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:25 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.

Wishy Washy very naughty.

eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho.

This is STILL wishy-washy.

Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done.

Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.


No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy.

Got you.

Alright, I said this BEFORE n00bking as well, but I can read Rels as townie. Trfel's point that Rels' early posts were filler is false because Rels said he was making posts as he read. That makes that first post invalid.

Trfel's second point that Rels spotted Plants as an easy target is something that I can agree with. Plants' post seemed like something a newbie would make so Rels might have been trying to take advantage of it.

Trfel's third point is something that I disagree with. I'm pretty sure that ruXxar is an excited newbie unless he does something else really strange so I don't agree with the reasoning of the post.


So overall, sure it might be worth looking at Rels, but definitely not worth voting for this round.
Wait... what?

1. Of course Rels says he was making posts as he read. The fact is that we have no way to verify this, and that there is no good town motivation to do this.

2. I could understand if Rels had a scumread on ruXxar. I could understand if Rels had a townread on ruXxar. I could understand if Rels had a null read on ruXxar. I find it hard to see how Rels was unsure about ruXxar, and then ruXxar made a content-less post that showed that he can't defend himself, and then decided to townread him solidly.

Also, why did you change your mind so quickly from this post:
On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:46 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels?

Would love to know that as well.

Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything?


Why ?

If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted.

I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything?


I read and posted as I found interesting posts.

While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia.
Where you seem to feel that my case is fairly good, just that you weren't quite convinced enough to vote for Rels yet?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 12 2015 23:40 GMT
#560
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. Could you comment on this list post of yours:

On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -

Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats

Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart

Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar


Could you please add justifications for the "could lynch" nominees ?
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