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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 13 2015 19:56 GMT
#781
On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?


Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself.

Here are my scenarios for and against :

For:

The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked.
The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic.

Against:

A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest.
Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player.
The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic.
In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself.

That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this:
Show nested quote +
ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play.


In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic.
It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios.

I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town.
A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to.
I'm trying to rectify this.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 19:56 GMT
#782
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


I'll sheep Trfel.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 19:56 GMT
#783
Rels' Read Progression
  • Suspicious of ruXxar early
  • Suspicious of MoosyDoosy's first post
  • Early suspicions of n00bKing (across multiple posts, vague wording)
  • Scumreads Fake)Plants for opening post
  • Changes read on ruXxar to town
  • Unexplained town reads on WaveofShadow, Kickstart, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, Trfel, sort of town lean ish? on Sulfurus, scum leans on MoosyDoosy, geript, and batsnacks
  • Says that scott31337 isn't scummy
  • Jumps on my suspicion on MoosyDoosy
  • List post
  • Unvotes batsnacks
  • Wants to vote geript, might vote Damdred, could also vote Sulfurus
  • Jumps on geript's suspicion of scott31337
Rels is generally throwing around suspicions on everything. His townread on ruXxar changed after it was clear that the push on ruXxar wasn't going anywhere. He's scumreading people already being scumread by others, and multiple times he uses other people's posts to justify increasing his own suspicions of other people.
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] +
Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this)
Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript)
Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy
Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post)

It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts.

The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 20:00 GMT
#784
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-13 20:01:45
June 13 2015 20:01 GMT
#785
Oh fish ul Votecount


Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (5): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
Geript (2): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster,
Rels (3): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript

Not Voting (0):



Currently Sulfurus is set to be lynched with 5 votes!
Remember to vote in the voting thread
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 13 2015 20:02 GMT
#786
Then explain how he is trying in your opinion.

And I just like the case wave, I could probably lynch sulf to.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 20:02 GMT
#787
Sulfurus is set to be lynched not batsnacks. ^
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#788
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#789
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 13 2015 20:07 GMT
#790
Would the mods please stop messing around with scott311337's name? It could be construed as mod confirming him town
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 13 2015 20:07 GMT
#791
On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:
Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed.
(referring to Fake)Plants)

Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy.
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Null
moosy
Damdred
scott
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that.

Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post.


I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript (who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed.

He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment.

This post is pitiful. Like, PITIFUL. You're completely disregarding the whole reason Rels thought FakePlants was scum to begin with. Everything in Rels' thought progression on FakePlants/scott makes sense.

I still say the scummiest thing Rels has done is manufacturing an excuse to pull his vote off of batsnacks, after batsnacks threatened to blow up the thread if he stayed in the vote lead. Now, Oats made the same mistake (of pulling his vote off batsnacks) but at least he did so after having a long back and forth with batsnacks. Instead of just miraculously convincing himself using something from out of the thread.

We HAD this neat, clean Situation:
n00bKing wrote: Situation: 11 players have votes in place, and 2 players are not voting. All 11 of the votes are on either batsnacks or Sulfurus. No one has a vote on anyone else.

At this stage of a Day 1, I'm more used to seeing a smattering of votes on some other miscellaneous players too. Maybe partially because the scum team doesn't want to have all their votes in one place, so they fan out some (and maybe a random Townie or two gets tunneled on their respective targets, and won't budge, even though no one else has any interest in following along).

Theory: This situation makes it pretty likely that one of the two players receiving votes is actually scum, and that we don't have a Town vs. Town situation for our two vote leaders. The scum team has not been able to fan out their votes, because they've needed "all hands on deck" to make sure that the scum player doesn't take a runaway lead in the voting.

Conclusion: Even though there's a lot of time left in the Phase, we may not want to introduce a third lynch target, and should instead stick to trying to pick between these two (since, if the Theory is correct, one of them would flip Red).


And somehow we've now instead got this clusterfuck:
Onegu wrote:Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (5): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (3): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
Geript (2): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster,
Rels (3): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, Geript

*sigh*
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 20:07 GMT
#792
On June 14 2015 05:04 Sulfurus wrote:
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats.
I don't even......

Do you have any REASONS for lynching me?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 13 2015 20:08 GMT
#793
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
June 13 2015 20:08 GMT
#794
Edit By Way of Post:

I guess the strikethroughs don't carry over in the copy/paste, but you get the idea, if you just look at the numbers in parentheses
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 13 2015 20:08 GMT
#795
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

'Cause he's about to be lynched.
Come on, bats.

I'm fine with Sulf and Rels being the wagons for now. I'll keep my vote where it is for the moment. We should try and consolidate closer to deadline though so no room for last minute solo switches
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 13 2015 20:10 GMT
#796
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.


So Rels is town? I thought you would sheep Trfel.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 20:10 GMT
#797
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 13 2015 20:11 GMT
#798
Like ask me questions if you want but there's no guarantee I'll answer.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 13 2015 20:11 GMT
#799
On June 14 2015 05:07 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:
Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337

On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed.
(referring to Fake)Plants)

On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy.
On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Null
moosy
Damdred
scott
On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:
On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that.

Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post.


I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript (who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed.

He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment.

This post is pitiful. Like, PITIFUL. You're completely disregarding the whole reason Rels thought FakePlants was scum to begin with. Everything in Rels' thought progression on FakePlants/scott makes sense.
I have no clue where you get this idea.

First, it the reason that Rels thought that Fake)Plants was scum isn't important for this argument. Rels himself said that the reason is invalidated by scott31337's replacement, and then he kept jumping back on it whenever opportunity presented itself, despite saying that scott31337's posts weren't scummy. Please explain how this makes sense.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
June 13 2015 20:11 GMT
#800
On June 14 2015 05:10 Sulfurus wrote:
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards.

In that case help us. Give arguments for why Trfel or anyone else you suspect is Mafia.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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