ive been pro bw deprived for far too long. its time to TAKE BACK WHATS MINE (yeah the privilege of watching live streams and recorded vods at no cost to myself :D)!!!
if that 19th rumor turns out to be false ill be crushed
On November 09 2011 09:29 Vasoline73 wrote: SKT going for the 3peat silver.
Nah they've had their chance and are gone. KT will get a 3rd gold, CJ finally gets to the finals and gets silver, Khan or ACE gets last, middle is gonna be close-ish.
On November 09 2011 10:42 Bisu-Fan wrote: WHOOOOHOOOO!!!!! HYPE HYPE HYPE!!! Someone please write up a "Why SKT will really win the Proleague" article!!!
You mean "Why SKT will finally win the Proleague for realz this time."
Even though it'll way be harder than the last 2 seasons imo.
On November 09 2011 10:42 Bisu-Fan wrote: WHOOOOHOOOO!!!!! HYPE HYPE HYPE!!! Someone please write up a "Why SKT will really win the Proleague" article!!!
You mean "Why SKT will finally will the Proleague for realz this time."
Even though it'll way be harder than the last 2 seasons imo.
On November 09 2011 10:42 Bisu-Fan wrote: WHOOOOHOOOO!!!!! HYPE HYPE HYPE!!! Someone please write up a "Why SKT will really win the Proleague" article!!!
You mean "Why SKT will finally will the Proleague for realz this time."
Even though it'll way be harder than the last 2 seasons imo.
lol T1 fans have lost all hope...how sad.
SKT will be STX 2.0
They'll turn into "my team is so awesome on paper but why can't we win anything T_T" fans.
On November 09 2011 10:42 Bisu-Fan wrote: WHOOOOHOOOO!!!!! HYPE HYPE HYPE!!! Someone please write up a "Why SKT will really win the Proleague" article!!!
You mean "Why SKT will finally will the Proleague for realz this time."
Even though it'll way be harder than the last 2 seasons imo.
lol T1 fans have lost all hope...how sad.
You mean the same feeling KT fans have during the midseason?
Bisu is going to have to pull a Bisu once again, and Fantasy better do a Bisu this time as well if we're going to get anywhere. If we have to relegate him to the B team again for losing to random Zergs... shit has officially hit the fan (pun intended). -_-
You mean the same feeling KT fans have during the midseason?
Bisu is going to have to pull a Bisu once again, and Fantasy better do a Bisu this time as well if we're going to get anywhere. If we have to relegate him to the B team again for losing to random Zergs... shit has officially hit the fan (pun intended). -_-
KT *should have had all season.
Stupid two rounds of Winner's League... *grumble grumble* KT shouldn't have caught up. That was STX's playoffs, you jerkface KT people!
On November 10 2011 14:44 Crunchums wrote: hopefully this is the last time where the off season involves worrying about whether the entire scene is going to die >__>
It's been far too long. Looking forward to Proleague, especially due to Team8. I think it'll be a CJvKT finals, but won't care as long as Proleague still sticks around
On November 10 2011 10:29 moochu wrote: There was a thread last year where it broke down each teams wins and loses based on races and individual players, any idea where that thread is?
I was able to find this and that. I don't think anyone did that at the end of the season, although it would've been very nice.
The proleague draw took place about an hour ago. Coach Joo tweeted that the opening match is Team 8 against SKT and Team 8's second match is against KT on the Tuesday after that. For further details, wait for the release of the official schedule by Kespa.
On November 10 2011 18:38 Ryo wrote: The proleague draw took place about an hour ago. Coach Joo tweeted that the opening match is Team 8 against SKT and Team 8's second match is against KT on the Tuesday after that. For further details, wait for the release of the official schedule by Kespa.
If anyone wants help English casting I'd be down. Send me a PM, I'm pumped for this! Also, am working towards live streaming PL myself since I'm up at all those weird hours xD! Could also do restream of PL next day afternoons if that's something people would be interested in with English cast/ I'm sure sGs clan skype would love to analyze the games day after too with me.
Bisu 2012: His race to win the OSL before the world ends...+ Show Spoiler +
On November 10 2011 18:38 Ryo wrote: The proleague draw took place about an hour ago. Coach Joo tweeted that the opening match is Team 8 against SKT and Team 8's second match is against KT on the Tuesday after that. For further details, wait for the release of the official schedule by Kespa.
Can't wait for the official schedule. Then I can announce my casting plans
On November 10 2011 18:38 Ryo wrote: The proleague draw took place about an hour ago. Coach Joo tweeted that the opening match is Team 8 against SKT and Team 8's second match is against KT on the Tuesday after that. For further details, wait for the release of the official schedule by Kespa.
On November 10 2011 22:24 Sawamura wrote: @ simplistik do you have grudges on we kt fan's huh T_T ?
Please accept my humble and sincere apologies. I can only hope that my shocking and callous failure to diligently -- and constantly -- monitor the broodwar forum for worthy contributions has not caused any undue distress.
3 days a week, so probably 2 games on Saturday. Every team plays 1 game a week I guess. So the days of 50+ games per team are gone. 5 rounds would mean 35 games, 6 rounds would mean 42. It looks like Bisu's record last season will be an all-time one.
On November 11 2011 11:12 Crisium wrote: 3 days a week, so probably 2 games on Saturday. Every team plays 1 game a week I guess. So the days of 50+ games per team are gone. 5 rounds would mean 35 games, 6 rounds would mean 42. It looks like Bisu's record last season will be an all-time one.
On November 10 2011 18:38 Ryo wrote: The proleague draw took place about an hour ago. Coach Joo tweeted that the opening match is Team 8 against SKT and Team 8's second match is against KT on the Tuesday after that. For further details, wait for the release of the official schedule by Kespa.
Dang. Talk about a tough start, lol. Facing both the finalists right off the bat. Let's get some JD-Bisu-Flash showdowns going :D
On November 11 2011 17:06 Ryo wrote: According to Coach Han, Team 8's opening match could be on the 26th instead of the 19th, the match dates are not confirmed yet.
Arghhhh, I wish we could get a finalization on the dates, and a schedule. Still no news on any new maps either.
In the current format, how often do teams' best players end up playing each other (setting aside ace games)? For example, do coaches often put their best player first?
On November 13 2011 16:44 RunningInSquares wrote: Does anyone know which studio I can go to to watch the games on the 19th in person in Seoul? Will it be MBC or OGN?
On November 13 2011 16:44 RunningInSquares wrote: Does anyone know which studio I can go to to watch the games on the 19th in person in Seoul? Will it be MBC or OGN?
OGN, mbc wont be showing anymore Proleague...
Ok thanks. I knew MBC was closing down, but I hadn't heard if they were broadcasting proleague up until the shutdown date or not. Guess I'll never get to see that studio then T__T
Has KeSPA made any changes to the playoff format now that there are eight teams?
They should. 6 teams out of 8 into the playoffs would be hilarious. Instead of a race to the top it'd be a race to not get 2nd to last place (since we know ACE is gonna be last T_T). I think a logical adjustment would be 4 teams in the playoffs. 4th vs 3rd, then winner of that vs 2nd, then winner of that vs 1st in the finals.
Has KeSPA made any changes to the playoff format now that there are eight teams?
They should. 6 teams out of 8 into the playoffs would be hilarious. Instead of a race to the top it'd be a race to not get 2nd to last place (since we know ACE is gonna be last T_T). I think a logical adjustment would be 4 teams in the playoffs. 4th vs 3rd, then winner of that vs 2nd, then winner of that vs 1st in the finals.
Don't be to hasty. Ace has FBH, Iris, great, kal, and ggaemo. I think they are significantly better than soul, and have a legitimate shot to pass khan depending if kal and great can have rebounds similar to a lot of the other recent ace pickups.
On November 13 2011 16:44 RunningInSquares wrote: Does anyone know which studio I can go to to watch the games on the 19th in person in Seoul? Will it be MBC or OGN?
OGN I'm assuming since MBC shut down their gaming division afaik and does kpop now instead EDIT: Ninja'd! Oh shit I forgot ACE has Great and Kal now! Thats a solid line up with FBH and Iris..
Meh, I think I'll be missing out on a lot of live matches. The weekday ones will start only about an hour before I should start towards work, but maybe I can negotiate something. Getting up at 4 am on the weekend is, well, sometimes not great. Argh. I must per-se-vere! PROLEAGUE!
On November 18 2011 22:08 N.geNuity wrote: 12:00 KST is ezpz for weekend matches.
boy, my morning classes next semester will really feel those 16:00 KST matches.
So they've moved up the time two hours on weekdays? That really sucks. It used to be that if I'm going out, I can watch BW while eating dinner(BST an hour difference from KST). But random PL games become much less appealing if I'm just setting aside time for it though.
I can't believe the starting time during the weekend. Getting up at 3 on Saturday is going to hurt. Sheesh. Not like I'd miss it though, haha. Almost there now!
On November 27 2011 07:15 Dknight wrote: In all my many years of BW, I don't think I've been more excited for a proleague than this one.
Amen...For me it probably has a lot to do with all the bad news reminding me how much I love the game. Although I must say this format looks like it will keep a lot of teams in contention.
On December 11 2011 09:33 Gara wrote: Is there a schedule up anywhere for upcoming games? Sorry if this has been asked before, I just couldn't find it.
On December 11 2011 09:33 Gara wrote: Is there a schedule up anywhere for upcoming games? Sorry if this has been asked before, I just couldn't find it.
On December 11 2011 09:33 Gara wrote: Is there a schedule up anywhere for upcoming games? Sorry if this has been asked before, I just couldn't find it.
On December 25 2011 16:23 bearbuddy wrote: Doesn't really make much of a difference, but 3 and 4 need to be flipped as well as 6 and 7.
On December 25 2011 19:25 brafix wrote: Thanks for quick update. bearbuddy is right, 2-3 beats 2-4 regardless of game win/loss Diff as 2-3 = 40% where 2-4 = 33% win rate.
For years the ranking have been sorted in this order this:
won matches
game difference
won games
Admittedly, that leads to seemingly odd rankings if not all teams have played the same number of games.
Clarification of the official rules, from the korean KeSPA website would be nice. Until then I'll stick with the current order.
eeeee isnt it ALWAYS like that order? 1.won matches 2.loss matches ( point 2 is irrelevant WHEN teams have same ammount of games played (simple math)) 3.won games/score difference (depend on discipline)
dont know what was like before in PL but imo thats how it works.
anyway ur rankings dont match with official rankings so despite u know the mechanics of that or not u should change it
Team 8 could really use a boost right about now. Somebody's gotta get Sea into a winning mode or they'll never make it. They need to have at least a winning season to attract some sponsors.
With the old ace match and winners' league formats I thought SKT were the favourites, but I think CJ has the best overall team for the new format. They can legimitately put out five solid players for each match.
On December 27 2011 18:13 M2 wrote: Will there be something like playoffs at the end of the terms? Because its not writen as part of the format
Yes, there will be playoffs:
-8 teams will participate. In this post season, 4 top teams will go into playoffs with challenge style (previously used format I guess). Semi-PO and PO will be Best out of 3, while Finals will be only one match.
I'm not sure what 'challenge style' is exactly. At a guess I'd say: Semi-PO: rank 4 vs rank 3; PO: winner vs rank 2; final: winner vs rank 1. Pretty much like Winners League finals last season.
Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:
So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.
So I don't know what all the complaints are about.
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.
WTF why?!?!?!!!! T____T
when I'm fucking in Korea, they make the matches at the exact time I have class. Then as soon as I come home, they change it from a decent viewing time (11pm PST) to one where I have no clue when I should sleep to be able to watch it (3am PST)
What was wrong with 4pm... There were plenty of people showing up to weekday games... The last one I attended, SKT vs ACE was totally packed. I don't get it ;;
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.
WTF why?!?!?!!!! T____T
when I'm fucking in Korea, they make the matches at the exact time I have class. Then as soon as I come home, they change it from a decent viewing time (11pm PST) to one where I have no clue when I should sleep to be able to watch it (3am PST)
What was wrong with 4pm... There were plenty of people showing up to weekday games... The last one I attended, SKT vs ACE was totally packed. I don't get it ;;
DES published an article on why OGN made the change but I can't be bothered to read it. I'm just so tired of OGN and Kespa taking fans (and the players) for granted after they get a great initial response from them.
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote: Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:
So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.
So I don't know what all the complaints are about.
I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.
A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After Flash, Fantasy, BaBy, and Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).
EDIT: I'm not claiming this is a big problem; there's really no such thing as a perfectly balanced proleague or starleague of any sort. This season is actually probably more balanced than previous seasons (in 2009-2010, Zerg played 662 games compared to 555 for Protoss, which is quite significant considering the large sample set.)
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.
That's a shame from my perspective. I was just getting used to watching the first one or two games during breakfast. It was fun to be pondering over the results during the day, before being able to watch the rest in the evening. Back to reading the news I guess.
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote: Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:
So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.
So I don't know what all the complaints are about.
I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.
A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After Flash, Fantasy, BaBy, and Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).
Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote: Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:
So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.
So I don't know what all the complaints are about.
I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.
A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After Flash, Fantasy, BaBy, and Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).
Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!
lol, Bogus who is 1-4 this season? He may have been one of STX's stars last season, but this season he seems to be struggling, although his quality of opponents is very high, and he did beat Bisu. I haven't watched any of his games, so I can't comment on how his actual play is.
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote: Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:
So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.
So I don't know what all the complaints are about.
I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.
A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After Flash, Fantasy, BaBy, and Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).
Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!
lol, Bogus who is 1-4 this season? He may have been one of STX's stars last season, but this season he seems to be struggling, although his quality of opponents is very high, and he did beat Bisu. I haven't watched any of his games, so I can't comment on how his actual play is.
Well you included Light who is 1-5 so far this season, so it is kind of weird to not include Bogus on your list.
On December 29 2011 19:07 bearbuddy wrote: Seems like there's a believe that there's a floodgate of mirror this year. Here are some numbers:
So far, there's 102 games played. Of them, 42 are mirrors, making roughly 41% of games mirrors. In contrast, the 2010-2011 Season had 445 mirror games out of 1118 games total, which is about 40%. Go back another year to the 2009-2010 Season, there were 496 out of 1159 mirror games, which is about 42%. Go back one more year and we get 43.5%.
So I don't know what all the complaints are about.
I don't think that there is a flood of mirrors, but there is definitely a bit of racial imbalance thus far. Protosses in general are crushing Terrans hard currently, at 13-8 or 61.9% win rate, whereas Zerg is just barely ahead of Protoss at 12-11 ZvP, or 52.2%. Protoss is also seeing the most play in general.
A big part of this is just how weak Terran lineups have been in the post-restructuring age, with only a few S-class and top A-class Terran players. After Flash, Fantasy, BaBy, and Light, the quality of Terran players drops off precipitously, whereas Protoss and Zerg lineups seem much deeper (see: CJ Entus and Samsung KHAN).
Psst! Quickly, add Bogus before any STX fan notices what you've done there!
lol, Bogus who is 1-4 this season? He may have been one of STX's stars last season, but this season he seems to be struggling, although his quality of opponents is very high, and he did beat Bisu. I haven't watched any of his games, so I can't comment on how his actual play is.
Well you included Light who is 1-5 so far this season, so it is kind of weird to not include Bogus on your list.
Bogus had a rough start this season. He also beat Bisu and had an epic game with Stats where he almost made a legendary comeback. He deserves to be in a list with top Terran any day.
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm KST from Round 2 onwards.
Aww, I was just getting used to the nice 11PM PST time slot. Oh well...nocturnal mode activating.
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm KST from Round 2 onwards.
Aww, I was just getting used to the nice 11PM PST time slot. Oh well...nocturnal mode activating.
Now you can feel the (well-beloved and totally worth it) pain of us in EST that have been waiting up til 2AM on weekdays. Now I just have to get up at 6AM. BW to start me day? omgomgomgomgomgomg
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm from Round 2 onwards.
WTF why?!?!?!!!! T____T
when I'm fucking in Korea, they make the matches at the exact time I have class. Then as soon as I come home, they change it from a decent viewing time (11pm PST) to one where I have no clue when I should sleep to be able to watch it (3am PST)
What was wrong with 4pm... There were plenty of people showing up to weekday games... The last one I attended, SKT vs ACE was totally packed. I don't get it ;;
DES published an article on why OGN made the change but I can't be bothered to read it. I'm just so tired of OGN and Kespa taking fans (and the players) for granted after they get a great initial response from them.
From what I read, it looks like they switched the BWPL timeslot with the SFPL's to better market to each game's target audience. Starcraft is now mostly watched by those in their 20s, while Special Forces is watched by teens.
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm KST from Round 2 onwards.
Aww, I was just getting used to the nice 11PM PST time slot. Oh well...nocturnal mode activating.
Now you can feel the (well-beloved and totally worth it) pain of us in EST that have been waiting up til 2AM on weekdays. Now I just have to get up at 6AM. BW to start me day? omgomgomgomgomgomg
agreed. i liked when it was on this timeslot in the past because it gave me a lot of incentive to wake up early and helped me organize and enjoy my day.
On December 29 2011 19:34 Ryo wrote: I can't remember whether someone else has reported this already or not but OGN and Kespa are moving the weekday matches to 8pm KST from Round 2 onwards.
Aww, I was just getting used to the nice 11PM PST time slot. Oh well...nocturnal mode activating.
Now you can feel the (well-beloved and totally worth it) pain of us in EST that have been waiting up til 2AM on weekdays. Now I just have to get up at 6AM. BW to start me day? omgomgomgomgomgomg
agreed. i liked when it was on this timeslot in the past because it gave me a lot of incentive to wake up early and helped me organize and enjoy my day.
I like this timeslot better, allows me to come home from work to catch BW which is awesome. Rather than me spending my afternoon at work constantly refreshing LR threads.
Defying predictions Air Force ACE finish in fifth place, and thereby in reach of a playoff spot.
Most teams are only seperated by a single win. It seems likely that the last two or even three playoff spots won't be decided until the very last day of play.
Against the odds, Team 8 finished last. It would appear as if their mid-round struggle has turned into a crisis.
Defying predictions Air Force ACE finish in fifth place, and thereby in reach of a playoff spot.
Most teams are only seperated by a single win. It seems likely that the last two or even three playoff spots won't be decided until the very last day of play.
Against the odds, Team 8 finished last. It would appear as if their mid-round struggle has turned into a crisis.
Now that the game difference column actually matters in determining a playoff spot (since the teams are all so close), how will this change coaching decisions? Seems like as a coach you would have a greater incentive to stack your better players early, to close out matches faster and end the season with a cleaner record.
DES: It's currently time to be testing the new maps for next season and people are wondering how it looks for protoss. Bisu: (Sigh) It's doesn't look good. [T/N: I thought he wanted to do really next season and he tells us that the maps aren't in his favour o.o] They probably will balance it out but right now there are many maps with naturals that are hard to SimCity [T/N: Like python.. like 10 pylons....] and there aren't very many maps with open centers. There always seems to be some map building. In addition, there are many naturals with cliffs vulnerable to Terran and Zerg attacks. At this point there are only about 2 maps where Protoss is favoured. I'm really hoping for many changes.
Sure Bisu, if you say it... BUT why zergs sucks now?
with their win tonight putting them at 3-6 and 18-21 and Woongjin's loss last night putting them at 4-6 and 19-26, T8 only needs to win one more set to pull out of last place.
KT rolster is number 1 , In the beginning of the season , everyone was talking how bad kt rolster will perform and how we are going to so finish last in this format because of no winner league . But you know the hate only makes us stronger . KT ROLLER Coaster . Let's go !
On January 19 2012 00:30 Gara wrote: Wait, so SKT has played 12 matches to KHAN's 9? This is a messed up schedule. I WANT ME SOME KHAN!
EDIT: Also, if T8 can pull off a win against Stars, they can pull out of last place, once again pushing ACE to the bottom.
But as easy as you think. Since it's sorted by win rate, they would have to win 2 games in a row to get a 41% win rate, 5-7. One win will only give them 36% win rate.
On January 19 2012 00:30 Gara wrote: Wait, so SKT has played 12 matches to KHAN's 9? This is a messed up schedule. I WANT ME SOME KHAN!
EDIT: Also, if T8 can pull off a win against Stars, they can pull out of last place, once again pushing ACE to the bottom.
But as easy as you think. Since it's sorted by win rate, they would have to win 2 games in a row to get a 41% win rate, 5-7. One win will only give them 36% win rate.
Yeah, I thought ACE had played 11 matches and Team 8 only 10. Turns out that Team 8 would have to win their next match and ACE has to also lose their next match for Team 8 to pull out of last place. That's not impossible, though. Team 8 is certainly capable of beating Woongjin, and STX is resurging hard so they should beat ACE.
Ugh, I can't believe KT is on top after 2 rounds, I guess bo5 isn't that detrimental to their depth but I really thought CJ and Team8 would be doing better.
On February 04 2012 03:34 dRaW wrote: Ugh, I can't believe KT is on top after 2 rounds, I guess bo5 isn't that detrimental to their depth but I really thought CJ and Team8 would be doing better.
I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...
Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.
This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.
In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:
1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others 2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win 3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon 4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results
At first, when hoping for ACE to not finish last, one would wish bad thoughts upon STX and Stars...
but now...CJ is sinking fast...
Also, KT has been spending more money than other teams in acquiring players. Even if they don't show up often in games, they still help the practice environment a lot.
Competition for the other two playoff spots remains fierce, mostly thanks to SK Telecom T1 and CJ Entus. Both teams have been struggling for form, finishing the round with 3 - 4 and 2 - 5 records respectively. Even Air Force ACE could theoretically still make it.
Team 8 has managed to catch up to the middle of the pack with a solid performance in Round 2.
In case t8 (4 games left) now wins 2 more games then cj (4 games) and stars (3 games) in has a chance, but it will be very close due to map score. SKT's mapscore is too good I think, and Stx's too bad. On the other hand t8 has only hard matches left, so they'll really have to step it up big times to stand a chance.
I would actually love to have KT end up on the 2nd place because they've fought with SKT in the finals for the past two seasons but a Bo3 between them would be more epic than those ^^.
On February 26 2012 19:34 NicksonReyes wrote: I would actually love to have KT end up on the 2nd place because they've fought with SKT in the finals for the past two seasons but a Bo3 between them would be more epic than those ^^.
I second that motion! That would be great.
Also, I think it might be time for a different team to win, like KHAN for example.
On March 01 2012 01:39 plaszczka wrote: after today's games khan secured first spod for themselves. next week is khan v skt and khan vs t8 cant wait for those!
Depends on what you mean by secured. If you mean that KHAN is temporarily #1, then yes, they have "secured" #1 spot in the rankings.
BUT: if KHAN loses all of its games, KT loses to CJ, then SKT, Stars, KT and CJ win all their games, then KHAN could even lose their playoff spot if their games +/- differential is bad enough. Of course, that's a very unlikely scenario, but anything is still possible at this point.
On March 05 2012 12:15 hoivenmayven wrote: Does anyone happen to know where the games are held in Seoul? I'm interested in finally seeing it before I leave Seoul for good..
Yongsan I'Park mall: the stadium is up on the top (I think it's the sixth) floor. It's directly above the metro stop Yongsan (용산) on the dark blue line. This is the clearest map I can find: Yongsan is pretty much smack in the middle. There are also a couple threads somewhere on TL with more detailed directions.
On March 05 2012 12:24 VGhost wrote: Yongsan I'Park mall: the stadium is up on the top (I think it's the sixth) floor. It's directly above the metro stop Yongsan (용산) on the dark blue line. This is the clearest map I can find: Yongsan is pretty much smack in the middle. There are also a couple threads somewhere on TL with more detailed directions.
You know what makes this season much more competitive than the past seasons? Well many things but among other reasons, there's the fact that because each season is so short with MUCH less games, there's no room for players to slump. If you slump for like a month, that's like 1/3 of the season! o.o
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