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Obviously spoilers ahead.
Anyway, after last nights god awful play against KT Rolster, it was clear something was wrong with the team. What I witnessed then, was probably the most uninspiring set of performances in Proleague history. Not only were the losses fast and lopsided, they were all losses that could have been easily avoided (or at least, made less gut wrenching to observe).
I have a few opinions on why Team 8 (once dubbed the 'Dream Team') is now dead last on the Proleague table, and have seem to lost all motivation to play well.
a) Lack of Coaching Staff
Go look at each teams roster and their staff. See how many coaches each of the teams have? Then look at Team 8's. Only one single coach.
With the game being so much complex than it was half a decade ago, there is no wonder teams have dedicated coaches. Clearly, Team 8 is starting to fall behind on the other teams. While Han Sang-yong is a well rounded coach (former kickboxer, also known as Fighter[gm]), he cannot handle the entire load. Contrary to this, the team's head coach, Ju Hoon is next to useless. He barely has any in-depth game knowledge, and his 'sports psychology' isn't going to do any good right now.
b) Lack of players
Team 8 doesn't have the network of practice partners the other teams have. This also means (and we've seen this already), they are forced to play the same five or so players over and over again. Give Ryul2, Saber, Sang and Speed a damn chance, else you're going to burn out Jaedong/Baby/Sea (I think it's clear at least two of them seem burned out already). In particular, I have high hopes for Sang, he did pretty well last season. I haven't seen him once this season.
c) Uncertain future.
They have no sponsors, they have no individual leagues to focus on, and there is a high likelihood that KeSPA will transition from BW to SC2 after the season has concluded. Their poor play at the moment definitely won't be getting any new sponsors in. Maybe they are just waiting for SC2? Who knows.
Anyway, those are some of my thoughts. Just wondering what everyone else thinks on Team 8 right now.
and please, don't argue about BW vs SC2 in here, for god sakes
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Croatia9510 Posts
Yeah, that's a conundrum I've been wanting to ask too. On paper, everyone would give them a chance to be a serious contender for top 3 spots, but in reality... oh well 
I just hope they get a sponsor ASAP, so their motivation hopefully goes up.
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I haven't seen the matches but i definitely think they need 3-4 coaches if they are to succeed. Like you said, one person simply doesn't have enough to give when it comes to coaching a team of this caliber. I wouldn't be suprised if the coach isn't already burned out as well. I wouldn't mind seeing those players transition to sc2 though....can you imagine Jaedong being all around the map as zerg, o m g.
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Personally, I think the coaching staff is lacking. In particular, Coach Ju is really out of touch with the scene as well as it's current players and this is showing.
Edit:
Okay, yah. I'm angry so I'll just say it outright. Coach Ju is incompetent.
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Completely agree with this. All they need is some motivation!!!!! Or they are just waiting on playing SC2, who knows.
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I agree with most of your points, especially regarding the coaching situation. I still have high hopes for them and will not stop cheering for them. They have to treat it like any sports team and have a nice compliment of coaching staff who specialize in other areas.
When WeMade Fox was around I was a fan of their's because of the players but they also were like T8 is currently. On paper they should have been a top contender but when it comes to motivation and playing their best games day in day out it just seemed to be non existent.
With Sang, Ryul2 and Speed I agree they should be given a chance, it would make the other team question who they are going to face so they cannot just prepare for the usual 5.
Another thing is, give them more cheerful uniforms, I mean if I had to show up to everygame dressed up like I am in a society like 1984 I would also be depressed.
They also might know what is in store for them in the future and it might not be too bright as wel(hopefully I am wrong)l. I am hoping for the best going on, but if they do not change how they are doing things, they are in for a long season.
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Yeah, I think you nailed the main reasons for Team 8’s lacklustre performance. On top of that, coach Han Sang-yong seems to be incredibly harsh. I’m aware of the fact that Korean culture is a lot stricter but this guy appears to be playing in a league of his own. This might add pressure to a team with an already uncertain feature.
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Thread title is a bit of a spoiler so soon after the games have ended no?
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On January 10 2012 23:30 j2choe wrote:
Thread title is a bit of a spoiler so soon after the games have ended no?
Considering one match didn't land them in the bottom it is not really. I thought it was about the team overall.
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There is no way this thread would have popped up if Team 8 didn't just get their faces mashed in by KT.
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What's with Team 8?
They are at the bottom, and they 3-0 KT?? Jaehoon beating Flash??!!
What's with Team 8?
Haven't seen today's games yet (waiting for Sayle's rebroadcast in English), I'm really concerned they are at the bottom, I hope they did well against KT!
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Did kespa make a huge mistake by hiring Coach Ju as the head Coach ? Could former we made fox or hwazeung oz previous coach was the better choice . Now that I think about it maybe the whole idea of forming a team without having a competent coach who has not kept up with times is the biggest problem that's happening with team 8 .
Also not taking in to account that samsung khan has like 2 coaches for each race , giving them analysis on their game , current play style of their opponents and ton's of motivation . Makes team 8 really kind of the underdog here T_T.
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imo, most importantly, it's because they don't have a sponsor and the future is very uncertain; it's hard to focus on your current situation when you don't know where your team is headed.
also, other teams really exploit Team 8's lineup, given that they have so few players...
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Thanks for spoiling the match with the thread title :/ Was looking forward to Sayle's rebroadcast.
Edit: Assuming they lost, that is. Otherwise it's a nice troll thread timing lol
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Well spoiler or not, there's a serious issue with Team 8 right now. And this is way worse than ACE's when nobody expects anything from them.
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Coaching is the major key here imo.
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Lack of spirit, if you ask me. There's no real sense of comradeship in these players from what I can gather. I can't imagine how their practice sessions are like, but probably not going as well as is normal for a major team. They also need more players, and especially more solid protosses. It's really sad, I expected them to be in the finals.
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They also don't have a very good protosses in a decently protoss friendly environment (so far). ACE has been on a tear since Kal started playing. STX has been surging with Dear getting inserted into the lineup lately. The top two teams CJ and SKT have very good protoss lineups.
Team8 shoulda kept Shy and Dear, though I'm not one to complain since we nabbed Shy. Hwaseung Oz actually looks better than Team8 on paper so far into the season.
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god this makes me pretty sad. i really want jaedong to succeed but the environment he is in is pretty shit. im scared.
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There aren't many players who immediately perform well after being traded and such.
Apply that to the entire team. And then consider the fact that many of the players didn't practice for over a month during the off season since the teams disbanded (this is more serious than you think!). Add on to the fact that the players aren't in the best playing environment ever (it's actually significantly worse)
Also consider the fact that since Team 8 only essentially has 6 players, their picks on the maps are predictable. This makes it a lot easier for other teams to snipe them.
Dunno why there's hate on Team 8's manager o_O I don't think he pulled off anything that's terribly disappointing yet. Most of the times his entries go as they want it to (for example, Sea *wanted* to play against Kal in the game vs Ace). Just give it time instead of calling anyone incompetent. You guys are terrible. There's many reasons why Team 8 isn't "performing" and honestly I'd just give them time instead of being angry over something this stupid
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