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On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit  I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common!
Seriously, BW is the only game worth watching, really. If BW dies I don't care what happens to anything else.
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On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common!
BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S
Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2.
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On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2.
This. I always just liked BW but all of a sudden with the release of SC2 I was supposed to start caring about eSports.
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On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2.
Some people actually care about the players themselves
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Should have gotten more/better coaches.
Should have gotten HiyA.
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On January 12 2012 12:38 asdfTT123 wrote:
Should have gotten more/better coaches.
Should have gotten HiyA.
Hiya would have been good for the team. He may not be better than sea or baby skill wise but he had a personality which may have helped team 8 jive better. That is often the problem with on paper dream teams. They don't mesh well.
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Instead of taking only 6 established players (of whom I feel Killer, Jaehoon, and Tyson are not desirable enough on any freestanding team to warrant a significant pay raise when trying to SALVAGE their jobs) and 3 rookies (2 of whom have no PL or SL experience), I think that team8 should have looked to at least pick up a few more established players who have known skill (HiyA comes to mind ) while picking up more rookies (I wish they picked up shy, although that is coming mostly from seeing his decent results in PL, he was known to be quite talented in hwaseung as well). More players = more competition and a variety of practice partners is useful even when you practice with the best. players like Flash and Jaedong have succeeded at the highest stages of the game while practicing hardcore with some unknown practice partners - that kind of variety should help more imo.
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On January 12 2012 12:01 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. This. I always just liked BW but all of a sudden with the release of SC2 I was supposed to start caring about eSports.
Honestly after SC2 came out, I became a rapid BW fan. I have NEVER defended something as if my life depend on it to my peers before that. I still remember the shitstorms up in my face when 4 of my acquaintances were talking down Brood War and using the generic "But StarCraft 2 have better graphic, look how old the Brood War's graphic is!" argument. Oh man did my blood boil.
Later on, I 1 v 3 them on FS and they were playing with a laughable combination of mere 2 hotkeys.
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On January 12 2012 13:02 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 12:01 matjlav wrote:On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. This. I always just liked BW but all of a sudden with the release of SC2 I was supposed to start caring about eSports. Honestly after SC2 came out, I became a rapid BW fan. I have NEVER defended something as if my life depend on it to my peers before that. I still remember the shitstorms up in my face when 4 of my acquaintances were talking down Brood War and using the generic "But StarCraft 2 have better graphic, look how old the Brood War's graphic is!" argument. Oh man did my blood boil. Later on, I 1 v 3 them on FS and they were playing with a laughable combination of mere 2 hotkeys.
Good man! Last time I 1v2 my sc2 friends they swore off BW forever...guess hellions aren't as annoying as vultures? lololol
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On January 12 2012 14:36 LEGAsee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 13:02 Xiphos wrote:On January 12 2012 12:01 matjlav wrote:On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. This. I always just liked BW but all of a sudden with the release of SC2 I was supposed to start caring about eSports. Honestly after SC2 came out, I became a rapid BW fan. I have NEVER defended something as if my life depend on it to my peers before that. I still remember the shitstorms up in my face when 4 of my acquaintances were talking down Brood War and using the generic "But StarCraft 2 have better graphic, look how old the Brood War's graphic is!" argument. Oh man did my blood boil. Later on, I 1 v 3 them on FS and they were playing with a laughable combination of mere 2 hotkeys. Good man! Last time I 1v2 my sc2 friends they swore off BW forever...guess hellions aren't as annoying as vultures? lololol
Thus Vulture > Hellion 
Mines ftw!
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On January 12 2012 14:36 LEGAsee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 13:02 Xiphos wrote:On January 12 2012 12:01 matjlav wrote:On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. This. I always just liked BW but all of a sudden with the release of SC2 I was supposed to start caring about eSports. Honestly after SC2 came out, I became a rapid BW fan. I have NEVER defended something as if my life depend on it to my peers before that. I still remember the shitstorms up in my face when 4 of my acquaintances were talking down Brood War and using the generic "But StarCraft 2 have better graphic, look how old the Brood War's graphic is!" argument. Oh man did my blood boil. Later on, I 1 v 3 them on FS and they were playing with a laughable combination of mere 2 hotkeys. Good man! Last time I 1v2 my sc2 friends they swore off BW forever...guess hellions aren't as annoying as vultures? lololol Mine that kills anything > line attack that only kills workers imo
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On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2.
I thought the sarcasm in my post was fairly obvious. "Esports" is stupid.
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On January 12 2012 15:56 gngfn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. I thought the sarcasm in my post was fairly obvious. "Esports" is stupid.
The term i presume .. For gaming is kick ass, and i tend not to limit myself of watching only BW, used to watch Wc3 some and now Sc2 aswell all games i enjoy watching and playing, so how can i call that i am watching multi games and tourny's ?
That's right Esports and it's a shit ton of fun.
Watch what you enjoy and if it ends for you with BW then so be it, so long, bye have a good life, but don't mess this topic up with whining and crying that is 100% irrelevent to any one else that is planning on reading about T8.
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They dont have a deep enough lineup to get the lineup advantage, see CJ gaining the matchup advantage like every series with their lineup and compare to Team 8's and Stars notably have been bad for it too.
Edit: i think simply it would be a good idea to switch when they would play Sea and Baby, and Killer and Jaedong. And stop Jaehoon getting PvZ's.. even though he went 2-2 in the the last 4 it's not a good idea is it.
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For those of you guys , who recommended that Hiya should be in team 8 , Hiya salary was just too high for kespa to pay his salary and because of the team is not even sponsored by any company. It can't sustain , a huge number of experience players who could have help team 8 in their composition and line ups. Kespa has to use it's funds wisely , they have to manage proleague and now with team 8 under their wing . Their budget is going to be tight for some time until team 8 finds a sponsor.
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On January 12 2012 15:56 gngfn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. I thought the sarcasm in my post was fairly obvious. "Esports" is stupid.
I think he was quoting you to agree, not to dispute your point. I could be wrong. For the record, I also agree with you. I like watching a few games done either professionally or done really well (speedruns and the like), but that doesn't mean I give a damn about every competitive game. I really can't understand how the counter-claim can be made with a serious face.
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On January 12 2012 17:22 Sawamura wrote:
For those of you guys , who recommended that Hiya should be in team 8 , Hiya salary was just too high for kespa to pay his salary and because of the team is not even sponsored by any company. It can't sustain , a huge number of experience players who could have help team 8 in their composition and line ups. Kespa has to use it's funds wisely , they have to manage proleague and now with team 8 under their wing . Their budget is going to be tight for some time until team 8 finds a sponsor.
Eh, they agreed to increase the salaries of most of the players besides Jaedong. I'm sure salary was not the issue. Either they just picked 2 A-teamers with the best winrate last season (iirc Killer was slightly ahead of Hiya) or they just wanted 2 people of each race for A-team.
Not that I think Hiya would have been a better choice. When he was still streaming I saw him lose to Dear so many times on his stream. Of course, he was lacking practice then but still...
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On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2.
I don't understand it either. It'll be BW forever. After it's gone that's it for "pro gaming" for me. BW is the only game that I could ever imagine as the type of game to be called an "esport". SC2 is just all about the money, and making kids think if they give them their money and viewership one day they can make a living playing video games.
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On January 12 2012 20:11 sh4w wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. I don't understand it either. It'll be BW forever. After it's gone that's it for "pro gaming" for me. BW is the only game that I could ever imagine as the type of game to be called an "esport". SC2 is just all about the money, and making kids think if they give them their money and viewership one day they can make a living playing video games.
Or maybe to someone else SC2 is just as much fun to watch as BW is? How is it that hard to understand?
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On January 12 2012 20:36 Jurassic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 20:11 sh4w wrote:On January 12 2012 11:42 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 17:29 gngfn wrote:On January 11 2012 17:16 Zooper31 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:37 ShadeR wrote:On January 11 2012 15:00 Archers_bane wrote:
What are the chances of BW being phased out in the next year for Sc2? Am I the only one who is completely naive and thought BW was going strong due to last years results? Who knows. All i know is that eSports ends with BW for me. Can't support eSports because your fav game ended? No spirit I know! You'd almost think "esports" was a practically meaningless term describing an enormous variety of games with hardly anything in common! BW is what connects me to eSports, if it's gone than so am i. Not sure what you guys are on about with spirit an all that =S Edit: TBH i figured that was the mindset of many BW fans. The whole ESPORTS hype and STOP YOUR HURTING ESPORTS junk emerged with SC2. I don't understand it either. It'll be BW forever. After it's gone that's it for "pro gaming" for me. BW is the only game that I could ever imagine as the type of game to be called an "esport". SC2 is just all about the money, and making kids think if they give them their money and viewership one day they can make a living playing video games. Or maybe to someone else SC2 is just as much fun to watch as BW is? How is it that hard to understand?
all of these are just opinions, lets stop discussion it will go nowhere, caring for 1 game and not caring for others is also helping esports end with that.
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