EPTThis destroys team interaction and the ability for t8 to intimidate other teams by fielding their many s-class soccer players.
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
This destroys team interaction and the ability for t8 to intimidate other teams by fielding their many s-class soccer players. | ||
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a7choi
United States1664 Posts
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sinistral
Singapore859 Posts
On January 11 2012 02:44 Ryo wrote: Yeah, Sea's TvP was quite solid last season. Kespa should have recruited the protoss players he used to practice with instead of Jaehoon, Tyson and Sang. And it's also Jaehoon's fault that Jaedong lost to Canata and Flash. He really sucks at TvZ. I understand what you're trying to say, but out of the 3 races line, don't you feel the protoss line is not performing comparably to other two? Has the manager no confidence in sending out both Jaehoon and Tyson on the same matches? Jaedong did lose to  BeSt and Snow, and both aren't exactly known for their PvZ.Sea's TvP is supposed to be solid >50%. Yet he's 1-7 in TvP, granted he did face opponents known for their PvT, but he lost to both Dear and sHy, ex-Hwaseung OZ toss rookies now helping their own team to victories.I'll be blunt and say the entire team's vP has stagnated. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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RJGooner
United States2076 Posts
On January 11 2012 02:30 ninini wrote: Sea is obviously in a huge slump. Killer and Jaehoon are overrated. JD have been a bit disappointing, but right now I'm willing to shrug it off as bad luck and recklessness. Baby is pretty much performing as expected. The results are actually not that surprising. It's also worth mentioning that the other teams have become stronger. CJ now have Effort and Hydra. SKT obviously have Bisu and Fantasy, and KT's Stats have improved a lot, and now makes a deadly duo with Flash. Woongjin have Soulkey breaking out as a top player, and makes the team really strong along with Zero. Jangbi have found his game again, so KHAN now have 2 deadly dragons. When you look at those players, JD and Baby as the ace players of T8 looks pretty ordinary, but unlike the other teams, T8 have pretty much nothing else to fall back on right now. They have a decent player in Killer, but that's it. If Sea wasn't slumping, things would be different, but I still don't think they would be strong enough to compete with the top 3. Of course, depth is a huge issue for this team. When Clam is not performing for STX, Last rises to the occasion. T8 just can't afford to have players slumping, because they can't replace them. I'm sorry but you're wrong about Jaehoon. No one has ever hyped Jaehoon to be something he's not. If you asked anyone on this forum what they think about Jaehoon (anyone who is decently informed about the scene that is) I'm almost positive that they would say that he is a solid Toss, not S-class, but solid nonetheless. He is NOT overrated. He got 30 wins last Proleague, it's not a stretch to say he is a good player. But no one thinks he is up there with players like Flash or Stork or what have you. Furthermore, let's look at his performance so far in the Proleague. He is currently at 2 wins, 5 losses. On the face of it that sounds pretty bad, but 3 of those 5 losses came against Flash, Bisu, and Zero, all S-class players. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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RJGooner
United States2076 Posts
On January 11 2012 03:52 sinistral wrote: I understand what you're trying to say, but out of the 3 races line, don't you feel the protoss line is not performing comparably to other two? Has the manager no confidence in sending out both Jaehoon and Tyson on the same matches? Jaedong did lose to BeSt and Snow, and both aren't exactly known for their PvZ.Sea's TvP is supposed to be solid >50%. Yet he's 1-7 in TvP, granted he did face opponents known for their PvT, but he lost to both Dear and sHy, ex-Hwaseung OZ toss rookies now helping their own team to victories.I'll be blunt and say the entire team's vP has stagnated. I don't know why people make so much hype about what the Protoss line should be doing. Let's get real here. It's Jaehoon and Tyson, not Stork and Bisu. Jaehoon is 2-5 right now and Tyson is 1-2, which sounds bad but is a lot more explainable when you consider the players that they've faced. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On January 11 2012 04:02 RJGooner wrote: I don't know why people make so much hype about what the Protoss line should be doing. Let's get real here. It's Jaehoon and Tyson, not Stork and Bisu. Jaehoon is 2-5 right now and Tyson is 1-2, which sounds bad but is a lot more explainable when you consider the players that they've faced. i don't think anybody said jaehoon and tyson should play better, or that they expect them to | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
- Presure from an unknown future - Lacking a deep roster of players - Lacking good coaches, 1 is not enough - New team, new teams always struggle I would put most on the first 2 points, players are not used to that kind of presure, they play the game they practice presure from matches sure, but presure from wether you don't know what the future is like would be something that entirerly can mess your head up, let's not forget all these players had troubled times when there teams disolved aswell. Generaly everything is taken care of for a BW player, not so for team 8 so there mind can not be 100% with starcraft. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
I agree that their lineup should be more flexible, mixed, less predictable - these rookies can't be so bad that they don't deserve a single chance on stage. If theres nothing else bothering them, outside of the game, for example they know that they are going to disband after this season, i believe that all they need is time, and few more practice partners to play with, as well as at least 1 more coach. Team8 fighting~ | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
But they've been really really underperforming. I hope something picks up for them, such an all star cast should get some limelight for their hardwork, it's unfortunate, things like sponsors, future of scbw/kespa and coaching staff is all out of their control =T | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
Edit: OMG JD in SC2, how awesome will this be~~~ | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
On January 11 2012 03:58 RJGooner wrote: I'm sorry but you're wrong about Jaehoon. No one has ever hyped Jaehoon to be something he's not. If you asked anyone on this forum what they think about Jaehoon (anyone who is decently informed about the scene that is) I'm almost positive that they would say that he is a solid Toss, not S-class, but solid nonetheless. He is NOT overrated. He got 30 wins last Proleague, it's not a stretch to say he is a good player. But no one thinks he is up there with players like Flash or Stork or what have you. Furthermore, let's look at his performance so far in the Proleague. He is currently at 2 wins, 5 losses. On the face of it that sounds pretty bad, but 3 of those 5 losses came against Flash, Bisu, and Zero, all S-class players. I'm saying Jaehoon's last season was a fluke. I don't think we can expect more than a 40% winrate from him, especially not under the new system with bo5's. | ||
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
This was just...embarassing. Team 8s performance was abysmal and passionless. I've never seen such lopsided games or such thoughtless play from top-level pros. They are either going to respond by going on a tear, or just completely collapse. | ||
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On January 11 2012 03:52 sinistral wrote: I understand what you're trying to say, but out of the 3 races line, don't you feel the protoss line is not performing comparably to other two? Has the manager no confidence in sending out both Jaehoon and Tyson on the same matches? Jaedong did lose to BeSt and Snow, and both aren't exactly known for their PvZ.Sea's TvP is supposed to be solid >50%. Yet he's 1-7 in TvP, granted he did face opponents known for their PvT, but he lost to both Dear and sHy, ex-Hwaseung OZ toss rookies now helping their own team to victories.I'll be blunt and say the entire team's vP has stagnated. The manager doesn't often send out Tyson because he wants to send out his 5 best players in a Bo5. And it so happens his 6th best player is a protoss. Of course the protoss line is not performing as well as the other two. Has anyone ever expected Jaehoon and Tyson to outperform the likes of Jaedong, Baby and Sea? Jaedong's ZvP has been on the decline for awhile now. And how is it Sea's practice partners' fault if Sea is under-performing in TvP when they're the exact same players he's practiced with for the past 6 years. You're not making sense. I'm done arguing about this. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
Agree with OP, need them dawgs to start ownin it up (besides JD/Bebe/C) | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
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