I disagree, I saw this title and it was painfully obvious Team8 lost. Maybe doesn't give away how embarrasing it was, but it totally ruined it for me -_-.

ninini

Sweden1204 Posts

January 10 2012 17:30 GMT

#46

Sea is obviously in a huge slump. Killer and Jaehoon are overrated. JD have been a bit disappointing, but right now I'm willing to shrug it off as bad luck and recklessness. Baby is pretty much performing as expected. The results are actually not that surprising.

It's also worth mentioning that the other teams have become stronger. CJ now have Effort and Hydra. SKT obviously have Bisu and Fantasy, and KT's Stats have improved a lot, and now makes a deadly duo with Flash. Woongjin have Soulkey breaking out as a top player, and makes the team really strong along with Zero. Jangbi have found his game again, so KHAN now have 2 deadly dragons. When you look at those players, JD and Baby as the ace players of T8 looks pretty ordinary, but unlike the other teams, T8 have pretty much nothing else to fall back on right now. They have a decent player in Killer, but that's it. If Sea wasn't slumping, things would be different, but I still don't think they would be strong enough to compete with the top 3.

Of course, depth is a huge issue for this team. When Clam is not performing for STX, Last rises to the occasion. T8 just can't afford to have players slumping, because they can't replace them.

hp.Shell

United States2527 Posts

January 10 2012 17:35 GMT

#47

I would have appreciated a different topic title.

virpi

Germany3598 Posts

January 10 2012 17:36 GMT

#48

I've always been a huge JD fan, and of course, I'll always be one. But if Jaedong OZ was bad, the new situation is becoming a nightmare. I really hope that T8 will improve their performance, but right now it's highly doubtable.

sinistral

Singapore859 Posts

January 10 2012 17:36 GMT

#49

If only T8 can improve their protoss line to be honest. Jaehoon and Tyson isn't going to be good enough practice partner for the rest of the main players, and only 1 protoss rookie to help out isn't going to cut it.

The lack of sponsors may be a minor factor contributing to the abysmal performance. However, it should not affect the performance of the players since KeSPA is still providing a somewhat stable salaries for them. Well, IMO as long as BW Proleague is around, T8 will still exist until they find themselves the sponsor.

Ryo

8787 Posts

January 10 2012 17:44 GMT

#50

On January 11 2012 02:36 sinistral wrote:
If only T8 can improve their protoss line to be honest. Jaehoon and Tyson isn't going to be good enough practice partner for the rest of the main players, and only 1 protoss rookie to help out isn't going to cut it.

Yeah, Sea's TvP was quite solid last season. Kespa should have recruited the protoss players he used to practice with instead of Jaehoon, Tyson and Sang. And it's also Jaehoon's fault that Jaedong lost to Canata and Flash. He really sucks at TvZ.

Taekwon

United States8155 Posts

January 10 2012 17:49 GMT

#51

On January 11 2012 02:44 Ryo wrote:

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And it's also Jaehoon's fault that Jaedong lost to Canata and Flash. He really sucks at TvZ.

Do you mean Sea?

Ryo

8787 Posts

January 10 2012 17:51 GMT

#52

On January 11 2012 02:49 Taekwon wrote:

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Do you mean Sea?

No.

mtn

729 Posts

January 10 2012 17:53 GMT

#53

Maybe this has to do with something ? I would've been surprised tho... but who knows.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301720

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

January 10 2012 17:53 GMT

#54

On January 11 2012 00:27 Milkis wrote:
There aren't many players who immediately perform well after being traded and such.

Apply that to the entire team. And then consider the fact that many of the players didn't practice for over a month during the off season since the teams disbanded (this is more serious than you think!). Add on to the fact that the players aren't in the best playing environment ever (it's actually significantly worse)

Also consider the fact that since Team 8 only essentially has 6 players, their picks on the maps are predictable. This makes it a lot easier for other teams to snipe them.

Dunno why there's hate on Team 8's manager o_O I don't think he pulled off anything that's terribly disappointing yet. Most of the times his entries go as they want it to (for example, Sea *wanted* to play against Kal in the game vs Ace). Just give it time instead of calling anyone incompetent. You guys are terrible. There's many reasons why Team 8 isn't "performing" and honestly I'd just give them time instead of being angry over something this stupid

Good points about the acclimation factor and scarcity of players. However, when a team does poorly, blame also gets directed at the coaches and managers. This is seen in many other sports, and in truth, a certain responsibility does fall on them. Furthermore, I do think this speculation is fair, especially considering the hype and expectations that Team 8 originally had at the beginning of the season.

ninini

Sweden1204 Posts

January 10 2012 17:56 GMT

#55

On January 11 2012 02:44 Ryo wrote:

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T8's entire protoss line came from MBC actually.

Kralic

Canada2628 Posts

January 10 2012 17:57 GMT

#56

On January 11 2012 02:56 ninini wrote:

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T8's entire protoss line came from MBC actually.

That would be the point Ryo is trying to make to everyone blaming Sea's "new" practice partners.

Kiett

United States7639 Posts

January 10 2012 18:06 GMT

#57

There's nothing they can do about the lack of coaches. Coach Han is a volunteer; he doesn't even get paid. How many other people are going to be willing to do the same?

Emon_

3925 Posts

January 10 2012 18:29 GMT

#58

If you're gonna create a team - do it right. Proper practice environments, coaches etc. The players have a lot to overcome just by being in a new team and having new coaches. But burdening them further with bad housing, lack of practice partners and lack of coaches? Those guys have given so much of their time to the game and they deserve better.

L3gendary

Canada1470 Posts

January 10 2012 18:32 GMT

#59

I think it's that they don't have enough players. A player like Sea only has a couple of players to practice his tvp so maybe he's not being exposed to enough different styles which would explain why t8 is getting cheesed out in many games or when the opponents use an unorthodox playstyle like in the canata vs jaedong game.

awwnuts07

United States621 Posts

January 10 2012 18:32 GMT

#60

I'm not surprised Team 8 is having a hard time bringing good results. Despite having an awesome roster, Team 8 is still technically an expansion team. Statistically, expansion teams in any sport do poorly in their first year because it takes a bit of time for everyone (coaching staff, players, ect) to gel. Add in the other points brought up (lack of money, not enough practice partners) and it's easy to see why Team 8 is losing. I'm just worried the lack of wins will cause Kespa to drop the team.