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DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
January 10 2012 15:28 GMT
#21
I wanna point out that (for me) not only T8 looks unmotivated.
It seems to me that nobody really wants to be a super famous bwplayer
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
January 10 2012 15:34 GMT
#22
At least Jaedong showed some emotion today, shows he still cares. I wish the coaches let some of the rookies play though. They can't do worse than Sea surely - -
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 15:58:01
January 10 2012 15:34 GMT
#23
I concur, that the points listed are what could be making Team 8 under perform severely. But if that is the case, what can be changed or done about it? Nothing right?

What are the chances that Kespa will sack the coach and bring in someone else? If they did, even though for the better, it'll still cause some turmoil and further instability with the team. I just don't see it happening.

They also lack the funds to hire other coaches and players, you'd have to have people volunteering to be practice partners/coach. As for sending out the rookies, that's something that can be done, but I feel like Coach Ju is a little stubborn. He might be basing everything all on the in house ranking, which is why I think he keeps sending Sea to play against a protoss (he might be doing very well against P inside the team), or maybe he's just bad and other coaches are exploiting him, I don't know. This is the only thing I feel (sending out rookies) that can be remedied immediately.

As for not having a sponsor, there's definitely mounting pressure there, but that's going to remain until they start doing better, it's like a horrible cycle. I'm running out of optimism.
So I can't help but feel like nothing is going to change and that they'll continue their downfall :/

On January 11 2012 00:12 figq wrote:
Lack of spirit, if you ask me. There's no real sense of comradeship in these players from what I can gather. I can't imagine how their practice sessions are like, but probably not going as well as is normal for a major team.

From the tidbits of info we get and the twitter pictures, I get the feeling that the players meld together nicely, but maybe that's not the same as comradeship.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 10 2012 15:34 GMT
#24
The mistake was to keep T8 small .. way too fucking small. Not even Coach Park or Cho can make T8 work
Writerptrk
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 15:52:36
January 10 2012 15:52 GMT
#25
On January 11 2012 00:34 ArvickHero wrote:
The mistake was to keep T8 small .. way too fucking small. Not even Coach Park or Cho can make T8 work


Well i'm not sure how they could afford that many more salaries

I mean i'm sure dong / sea / baby / killer is already pretty intensive to sustain with no sponsor
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 10 2012 15:57 GMT
#26
Same thing KT did in the first week and a half.

Losing.

It's a shame that they do have so few heads to talk and work strategy though. I'll give you that.

Their team is incredibly small and they're hard-pressed (that is my word of the day apparently).
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
January 10 2012 16:00 GMT
#27
its probably more complicated than we think.

even in other professional sports, players tend to need some time to adapt to their team (look at football. torres hasnt adapted to chelsea after 1 year).
team 8 is a whole new team, so every single player has to adapt.

i hope thats pretty much the reason, as it would mean that they will start performing well soon. but who knows
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
January 10 2012 16:01 GMT
#28
Lack of players on the team is a huge one. I always see the same 5 people played for T8 with the occasional Tyson slipping in once in a blue moon. T8 may need to start looking at some fresh blood and raising them to be the next big thing. Maybe we'll see some boom with the OSL season starts (and we see Jaedong become beast mode) coming in but some more players for PL would strongly benefit T8.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 10 2012 16:03 GMT
#29
On January 11 2012 00:52 Boonbag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 00:34 ArvickHero wrote:
The mistake was to keep T8 small .. way too fucking small. Not even Coach Park or Cho can make T8 work


Well i'm not sure how they could afford that many more salaries

I mean i'm sure dong / sea / baby / killer is already pretty intensive to sustain with no sponsor

They raised the salaries for all T8 players when they formed the team .. when the players stated that they wouldn't mind even if they had lowered salaries
Writerptrk
CoolSea
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States236 Posts
January 10 2012 16:03 GMT
#30
After watching them get stomped again and again it just seems like they lack the motivation and team unity that seems to be present in the more successful teams. One of the keys to success that was needed for Team 8 was a strong start this season to get the momentum going, and with their lackluster performance it was really hard to get their feet off the ground. They also seem to be too predictable in who they send out as well.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 10 2012 16:07 GMT
#31
All of team 8 need to be effing dragged to the T1 practice house by gigantic Korean bodygaurds that forcibly silence
Park's outburst and protests and bind FBB, Hyuk, Flash, Zero, and FBH to chairs with signs planted at the front entrance that say "IN THE NAME OF BROOD WAR" and practice with every single one of Team 8 until they are all resuscitated in a massive fulmination of BW inspiritment and invigoration.

No STX was harmed in the making of this post.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
January 10 2012 16:08 GMT
#32
Man everyone ragging on Coach Ju Hoon makes me sad. Everyone was so excited when he was announced as Coach/Manager. It reminds me of what Oov said in his recent interview about how much blame coaches get when players don't perform. Sounds like a really thankless job : /.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
January 10 2012 16:08 GMT
#33
All I can say is I'm really sad panda. Knowing JD, I expect him to turn the team around and lead them to domination.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 10 2012 16:08 GMT
#34
On January 11 2012 01:00 imperator-xy wrote:
its probably more complicated than we think.

even in other professional sports, players tend to need some time to adapt to their team (look at football. torres hasnt adapted to chelsea after 1 year).
team 8 is a whole new team, so every single player has to adapt.

i hope thats pretty much the reason, as it would mean that they will start performing well soon. but who knows


I don't think it is a good comparison, Football is team sport, while in proleague they all go to play one on one.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
January 10 2012 16:11 GMT
#35
The lack of a coaching staff and practice partners are maybe the biggest reason for them underperforming so much. This maybe was a problem already in Hwaseung OZ: just look at how well the Hwaseung protosses are doing in other teams now. On the other hand all of the players in T8 are underperforming - especially Babys game vs kt was horrible. And they are playing worse and worse for every game. In the beginning of the season Jaedong and Baby atleast looked really good.

The games that Jaedong has dropped has all been to different timings - especially the two games against terran. Maybe he needs a coaching staff to help him with keeping up with the metagame?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
January 10 2012 16:16 GMT
#36
On January 11 2012 01:07 Taekwon wrote:
All of team 8 need to be effing dragged to the T1 practice house by gigantic Korean bodygaurds that forcibly silence
Park's outburst and protests and bind FBB, Hyuk, Flash, Zero, and FBH to chairs with signs planted at the front entrance that say "IN THE NAME OF BROOD WAR" and practice with every single one of Team 8 until they are all resuscitated in a massive fulmination of BW inspiritment and invigoration.

No STX was harmed in the making of this post.


this is true

it really isnt fair how limited team 8's in-house practice is
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 10 2012 16:38 GMT
#37
On January 11 2012 01:03 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 00:52 Boonbag wrote:
On January 11 2012 00:34 ArvickHero wrote:
The mistake was to keep T8 small .. way too fucking small. Not even Coach Park or Cho can make T8 work


Well i'm not sure how they could afford that many more salaries

I mean i'm sure dong / sea / baby / killer is already pretty intensive to sustain with no sponsor

They raised the salaries for all T8 players when they formed the team .. when the players stated that they wouldn't mind even if they had lowered salaries


;/

They just want to fucking play. BW is what they know.

Here's the thing guys. We have an incredibly small sample size. Bo5's leave very and I mean very small margin of error. Sure, you can say guys focus on one map and prepare for certain match-ups all you want. That hasn't changed, but Team 8 is spread incredibly thin.

With regards to Jaedong,

He really hasn't impressed me at all this season even with his win against Mind as he's playing incredibly risky and other players really can take advantage of that. There are a lot of holes that need to be patched up. That is for sure.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 10 2012 16:45 GMT
#38
wow, b4 thiscthread I never knew team 8 also had other rookirs. I agree on that They def need screen time to incrrase the teams variety and unpredictability, having to play the same players over and over again really hurts. And Baby is on a 3 game loss streak o_O
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
January 10 2012 16:47 GMT
#39
Watching Team 8 play is so depressing for me as a fan of SC:BW. Once upon a time, they were all good if not great players who enjoyed playing the game, had fun with their teammates, and provided us with great entertainment. Now they seem so... miserable. I hate to say it, but the end to their time as a team, let alone a dream team, seems to be quickly approaching.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
January 10 2012 16:53 GMT
#40
http://sports.news.nate.com/view/20120110n06422?mid=s1001&isq=5984

Tossgirl interviews JD.

...How random.
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