Unindented players play in the Round of 36. Indented players are seeded into the winner's matches of the Round of 36 from the previous OSL (#5-16), except Hyuk and Sea, who replace Hwasin and go.go after having won the Wildcard Tourneys during the preliminaries. Doubly-indented players are seeded into the Round of 16 from the previous OSL (#1-4).
Pride of War: Terran (14) Canata -- Ko In Kyu RuBy -- Min Chan Ki Light -- Lee Jae Ho Leta -- Shin Sang Moon Mind -- Park Sung Gyoon Really -- Park Sang Woo HiyA -- Ku Sung Hoon sKyHigh -- Jo Byung Se Ssak -- Choi Ho Seon (*) Sea -- Yum Bo Sung Fantasy -- Jung Myung Hoon fOrGG -- Park Ji Soo BaBy -- Jun Tae Yang Flash -- Lee Young Ho
Overcome All: Zerg (12) great -- Cha Myung Hwan (*) Action -- Kim Seong Dae (*) Hydra -- Shin Dong Won Killer -- Park Joon Oh Jaedong -- Lee Jae Dong Calm -- Kim Yoon Hwan Hyuk -- Park Jae Hyuk Kwanro -- Han Sang Bong hyvaa -- Shin Dae Kun ZerO -- Kim Myung Woon Shine -- Lee Young Han EffOrt -- Kim Jung Woo
Victory After Victory: Protoss (14) free -- Yoon Yong Tae (*) BeSt -- Doh Jae Wook JangBi -- Heo Yeong Moo Brave -- Lim Tae Gyu (*) Pusan -- Park Ji Ho Bisu -- Kim Taek Yong Snow -- Jang Yoon Chul (*) Shuttle -- Kim Yoon Joong Reach -- Park Jung Suk Stats -- Kim Dae Yeob (*) Stork -- Song Byung Goo Movie -- Jin Young Hwa Kal -- Kim Ku Hyun Pure -- Park Sae Jung
This is the strongest OSL in a long time. Pretty much the best players right now are in it. Groups of death in the round of 36 are A, B, G, H. However, every group is really strong except maybe I.
Group A: I'm predicting great to take down BeSt, even though BeSt is playing well, but then Sea is going to clean up. Win goes to Sea.
Group B: As much as I love Canata, he's going to get manhandled by free. Free/Calm should be interesting. Winner: Calm if he shows up, free if it's Clam.
Group C: One of the weaker groups, it'll probably be JangBi, unless he gets Hyuked. Ruby, sadly, isn't going to get anywhere.
Group D: Dear god, this group sucks to be in for Brave. However, Light has a history of being terrible in the OSL... but even if Brave takes it, he's going to get trashed by Fantasy. Fanta wins it.
Group E: I'm really hoping Leta makes it, he's been part of a shitty team for too long... but I really think it's going to be Kwanro. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Group F: Another weak group, Bisu got really lucky this time around... however, because he's Bisu, there's always the chance he's going to scrub this up epically. Whichever of Bisu or Mind wins is going to stomp hyvaa.
Group G: Dammit, there's no way Snow is going to make it through this group. His PvT is stellar and he will crap all over Really, but PvZ is his weakest matchup, and ZvP is ZerO's strongest. Expect Zero to take this one.
Group H: fOrGG is better than most people give him credit for, but I'm looking at Action to win this one. If he can take it to hive play and avoid really stupid decisions, he should win, if not, it'll be The Pretender again.
Group I: Reach will beat HiyA, but even the power of Mantoss will probably lose to Shine, sadly. Shine wins.
Group J: BaBy couldn't have asked for an easier group (well, ok, maybe group I). Baby takes this one, easy.
Group K: This is a tough one, I can't really decide. Definitely not Killer. Either sKyHigh or Stork.
Group L: Movie does have a history of doing way better than he should in OSLs past, but he has the unfortunate distinction of being seeded into Jaedong's group. As hilarious as it would be to see the Tyrant knocked out of two OSLs in a row, and as much as I want to see that happen (fuck you, Jaedong), JD is going to destroy Ssak, then proceed to school Movie.
That's my predictioning for the first stage. Now time to see how very wrong I am
Lots of matches to look forward to here. I hope that Reach does well after being in the game for so long. Brave looks pretty screwed but best of luck to him.
On June 15 2010 13:28 BrownBear wrote: My predictions:
Group A: I'm predicting great to take down BeSt, even though BeSt is playing well, but then Sea is going to clean up. Win goes to Sea.
Group B: As much as I love Canata, he's going to get manhandled by free. Free/Calm should be interesting. Winner: Calm if he shows up, free if it's Clam.
Group C: One of the weaker groups, it'll probably be JangBi, unless he gets Hyuked. Ruby, sadly, isn't going to get anywhere.
Group D: Dear god, this group sucks to be in for Brave. However, Light has a history of being terrible in the OSL... but even if Brave takes it, he's going to get trashed by Fantasy. Fanta wins it.
Group E: I'm really hoping Leta makes it, he's been part of a shitty team for too long... but I really think it's going to be Kwanro. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Group F: Another weak group, Bisu got really lucky this time around... however, because he's Bisu, there's always the chance he's going to scrub this up epically. Whichever of Bisu or Mind wins is going to stomp hyvaa.
Group G: Dammit, there's no way Snow is going to make it through this group. His PvT is stellar and he will crap all over Really, but PvZ is his weakest matchup, and ZvP is ZerO's strongest. Expect Zero to take this one.
Group H: fOrGG is better than most people give him credit for, but I'm looking at Action to win this one. If he can take it to hive play and avoid really stupid decisions, he should win, if not, it'll be The Pretender again.
Group I: Reach will beat HiyA, but even the power of Mantoss will probably lose to Shine, sadly. Shine wins.
Group J: BaBy couldn't have asked for an easier group (well, ok, maybe group I). Baby takes this one, easy.
Group K: This is a tough one, I can't really decide. Definitely not Killer. Either sKyHigh or Stork.
Group L: Movie does have a history of doing way better than he should in OSLs past, but he has the unfortunate distinction of being seeded into Jaedong's group. As hilarious as it would be to see the Tyrant knocked out of two OSLs in a row, and as much as I want to see that happen (fuck you, Jaedong), JD is going to destroy Ssak, then proceed to school Movie.
That's my predictioning for the first stage. Now time to see how very wrong I am
I have exactly the same predictions exept for group C. I believe Jangbi will get Hyuked.
On June 15 2010 17:28 KimchiFriedRice wrote: Who the hell is Ssak?
Is it really necessary for everyone to ask this question when they don't recognize a player? Ssak is a guy that made the playoffs. That's the important part.
I'll post who I think will make it, and if my want is different A: Want Best, think Sea B: Want free, think Calm C: JangBi D: Fantasy E: Kwanro F: Want Bisu, think hyvaa G: Snow H: Want fOrGG, think Action I: HiyA J: BaBy K: There can be only Stork L: Jaedong
It's still Flash's to lose. I don't care what happened last time, because he beat himself (as I learned in Dota, greed kills, son). I still believe, Lee Young Ho. Everyone else is (hopefully :s) playing for second place.
Nice to see the races evnely spread out. 12Z 14P/T this I like. Other then group D all other grops have P,Z, and T involved so not many mirror matches. Should be good this year.
Group A: This in my opinion is the hardest group to predict, great and Best have times they play very well, and other times not so much, Sea has been "relatively" consistent so he's my pick.
Group B:Canata is too old. free will take this one, and then he will go on to get schooled by Calm, he missed him PL Game today so I bet he was practicing well.
Group C:RuBy hasn't been doing too well lately so I expect JangBi to beat him, he seems to be playing better than a few months ago, but Hyuk has been performing very well for what we expect of him, Hyuk has this one.
Group D:Light and Fantasy in this group, two great players one spot. Brave has no chance but for Light vs Fantasy, overall I think Fantasy is the better player, but Light I feel has better TvT, upset or not, Light will take this.
Group E: I don't expect much from Pusan, and Leta is famous for being terrible at StarLeagues but I think he will take down Kwanro because he has a good understanding of early Game for a macro oriented player, Kwanro will most likely do a all in ling one Game, and he has also been brushing up his muta micro, nontheless, Leta 2-1.
Group F: Now this group is as easy as it gets for Bisu, sadly I don't think his "Special training" has done him too much and while I'm not sure who is the best player out of them, I have a feeling hyvaa will win, Mind didn't play a spectacular game versus Lomo today.
Group G: Damn this group is strong, Snow is like the protoss BaBy, I consider him in the top 3 protoss right now, Really I would consider top 5 terran and well ZerO is a Really good zerg too if he's not playing ZvZ. I do think Snow will take it because he has CJ partners and I think he planned something good, and ZerO just took too many blows; he's 1-9 in his Last 10 ZvZ?!
Group H:fOrGG, I find Shuttle overrated for how he performs, and Action, that guys play has no flare and I don't see him doing out of the ordinary. fOrGG has been practicing, I didn't see him on the KT bench today so he must have been preparing hard and he will finally do good in a StarLeague again this season.
Group I: Hmm, this is a tough call, I hope for Reach to advance but I do think HiyA is a good Terran and he should take it, he has shown some great TvP in last MSL quarters versus free and even if he shows play subpar of that he is still a favorite. Shine I haven't seen much in PL lately which tells me WeMade terrans have been doing better than him, I say HiyA takes this.
Group J:BaBy, all of these players are good, but the bottom line is BaBy is the best. Hydra is a new comer but a good rising player for CJ along Snow, and I have a bad feeling about Shuttle.
Group K: After seeing Killers play the last few weeks I am now officially convinced he is the worst Zerg that plays in Proleague, today he got Bunker Rushed by Midas, he sends all but 3 drones to try kill the SCV making a bunker at his nat, then he tries to chase the marines with drones but fails... Anyways that guy has no game sense, sKyHigh is a good player, but we are talking about Storks PvT, so that gives him a huge edge already, I see Stork coming prepared and winning it.
hope the round of 16 intro is more epic... I'm thinking maybe a Korean Air plane arrives at night at a hangar and the 16 players get off it to some sweet music?
On June 15 2010 17:28 KimchiFriedRice wrote: Who the hell is Ssak?
Ssak is Mong
Who the hell is Mong? Only name on the list I don't recognize.
My predictions: Reach wins.
You should feel ashamed as a T1 fan to not know Mong.
He's actually one of the top b-team player out there. He made an impact in the STX mastercup, decent record in dream league and potentially the next generation of T1 Terran.
Really is just horrible vs zerg. He might throw the biggest lead ever in TvZ if he loses this. He was ahead in bases with double the supply (175 v 85). He then let all his mining bases get shut down at the same time by a few lurkers (he never build any tanks) and suicided a massive bio-army into swarm/ultra and might lose the game now
Just to illustrate how bad he is. He tried to kill an irradiated ultralisk under swarm with mass firebats and must have lost like 15 just to kill that one. He is done for now and expect GG soon
Props to zero for this epic fucking comeback. Expert lurker play, but when your bio-control is amonst the worst in the pro-scene, there is no excuse for Really not to switch to mech in lategame. A few tanks/mines would have secured his expos vs random lurkers.
On July 02 2010 19:03 Lann555 wrote: Really GG's and should just give up Starcraft if he cannot improve his vZ. Honestly, what a disaster-game from him.
On July 02 2010 19:03 Lann555 wrote: Really GG's and should just give up Starcraft if he cannot improve his vZ. Honestly, what a disaster-game from him.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Pretty enjoyable game to watch though!
gotta give him credit for his stunning early/mid game play, but yeah, he won't win vs top class zergs unless he drastically improves his late game. that was just sad to watch. multitask please.
On July 02 2010 19:03 Lann555 wrote: Really GG's and should just give up Starcraft if he cannot improve his vZ. Honestly, what a disaster-game from him.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Pretty enjoyable game to watch though!
Yeah, Zero with sick lurker harass. If Really hadn't tried to Russian-charge Zero's natural when he was massively ahead and had just cleared the lurkers at his 3d and 4th it would have been over.
For those who didn't watch. Really dropped and killed Zero's fourth just as he set up his own fourth. He also had a massive bio-army and a fleet of SV. Really then let 5 lurkers shut down all his mining bases when he suicided 60+ supply trying to bust the natural instead of clearing those lurkers.
Well, our friends pretty and Bisu are the only Protoss advancing. At least Bisu is advancing, but I find it rather unfortunate that even a semi-decent playing Bisu is probably the second best Protoss right now(ELO and qualifying for SL's). Pretty/Bisu fighting!
Only Effort, Flash, Kal, Pure, Fantasy, and ZerO are returning from the Korean Air S1 Ro16. This might be the first round of 16 under the new format where less than half of the previous round of 16 return.
This is completely offtopic but I just had to post this somewhere. I have been out of the loop for so long that I had no idea EffOrt had even won an OSL until I was watching a recent VOD and he was in the intro. Holy fuck. I feel so..lost.
Looks like group B has a good chance of going into a lower-rung tie-breaker. Besides Flash, nobody seems to have an easy-pass or expiration date after the results of set 2.
GROUP A EffOrt>Bisu and Leta>Action leads to a tiebreaker between EffOrt, Action and Bisu (all three having gone 1-2). Probability: moderate to high, EffOrt ZvP on Dreamliner Bisu>EffOrt and Action>Leta leads to a tiebreaker between Action, Leta and Bisu (all three having gone 2-1). Probability: moderate
GROUP B Hyuk>ZerO and Flash>HiyA leads to a tiebreaker between Hyuk, ZerO and HiyA (all three having gone 1-2). Probability: moderate to low, Zero having improved his ZvZ ZerO>Hyuk and HiyA>Flash leads to a tiebreaker between Flash, ZerO and HiyA (all three having gone 2-1). Probability: moderate to high, depending on Flash's TvT
On August 08 2010 06:18 dani_caliKorea wrote: Is Ro8 random? Or is it A1 vs. B2, B1 vs. C2, C1 vs. D2, and D1 vs. A2?
It's semi-random.
Each first place is matched up with a second place from a different group. So each person will have 3 people they can be potentially matched with once this round is done.
On August 08 2010 06:18 dani_caliKorea wrote: Is Ro8 random? Or is it A1 vs. B2, B1 vs. C2, C1 vs. D2, and D1 vs. A2?
It's semi-random.
Each first place is matched up with a second place from a different group. So each person will have 3 people they can be potentially matched with once this round is done.
Come on! JD got action? He had the easiest group by a huge margin and after Sea had to play him on Dreamliner he had a 99.99% safe spot in the ro8. Now he has the by far worst player here, too.
are these the brackets for the round of 8 (i.e. does the winner of Action/Jaedong get to face the winner of Stork vs Sea for example) or are they going to do some more random drawing??
Despite Free's outstanding PvZ, I think ZerO's got the edge in this match.
ZerO might pull in some KT tosses to help, since Woongjin helped KT prepare for the finals.
I really don't like this Ro8 pairing and I don't know how it could have been worse. Action vT would have been sick; instead he faces off against Jaedong, who could have been paired against virtually anybody else besides Flash or ZerO for a super-hyped match. free and ZerO are teamkilling, and Flash vs Leta is a TvT, and we're already having enough of those in MSL.
On August 08 2010 06:18 dani_caliKorea wrote: Is Ro8 random? Or is it A1 vs. B2, B1 vs. C2, C1 vs. D2, and D1 vs. A2?
It's semi-random.
Each first place is matched up with a second place from a different group. So each person will have 3 people they can be potentially matched with once this round is done.
Despite Free's outstanding PvZ, I think ZerO's got the edge in this match.
ZerO might pull in some KT tosses to help, since Woongjin helped KT prepare for the finals.
I really don't like this Ro8 pairing and I don't know how it could have been worse. Action vT would have been sick; instead he faces off against Jaedong, who could have been paired against virtually anybody else besides Flash or ZerO for a super-hyped match. free and ZerO are teamkilling, and Flash vs Leta is a TvT, and we're already having enough of those in MSL.
This is all true - but on the other hand, semifinal and finals matches should be good regardless. No possible mirrors in the semis; only three possible in the final (assuming I'm reading this right): Stork vs free, Sea vs Flash/Leta, ZerO vs Action/Jaedong. All of which are really good MUs right now for mirrors, so I guess I'm cool with it. free vs ZerO is disappointing though.
On August 16 2010 22:18 bitchaRd[raGe] wrote: Action < Eye of the Storm > Jaedong Stork < Flight-Dreamliner > Sea free < Grand Line SE > ZerO Flash < Polaris Rhapsody > Leta
That could've been Leta vs Jaedong, and Bisu vs Flash T_T
Anyone know where the semi-final Group B is being held? I'll actually be in Korea for that day, hoping to get a chance to watch and maybe a few seconds of 208cm jew facetime on national TV. :p
On August 30 2010 11:05 hku wrote: Flash vs Stork and Free vs Jaedong is better(more exciting, more interesting, more relevant to me) than Flash vs Jaedong.
Your crazy man, Flash vs Jaedong is the most epic matchup since Boxer vs Yellow
On August 30 2010 11:05 hku wrote: Flash vs Stork and Free vs Jaedong is better(more exciting, more interesting, more relevant to me) than Flash vs Jaedong.
Your crazy man, Flash vs Jaedong is the most epic matchup since Boxer vs Yellow
NAAAHHHH Firebathero VS Savior was brutally awesome =P
On August 30 2010 11:05 hku wrote: Flash vs Stork and Free vs Jaedong is better(more exciting, more interesting, more relevant to me) than Flash vs Jaedong.
I too wouldn't mind a change. I said at the beginning of the season (OSL and MSL) that free has the best chance of any Protoss winning (hence my sig). And Stork is my favourite player ever so I of course believe that he can beat anyone. I'd almost want a Stork vs Free final just to have a big old screw you to the MSL. But I really prefer Stork vs Flash.
BUT, here's the thing. Stork beating Jaedong and Flash is nothing new. But image if Free took out Flash in a best of 5 AND defeated Jaedong in an epic PvZ final (it's been since Luxury vs JangBi that we have seen one, and Bisu vs Savior that that the swarm has actually lost). So I almost want to see that final as much as my boy Stork winning it.
But man, Stork and Free are getting too old to keep this up. When are the new Protoss kings or dragons gonna step up? It's time for Snow and Stats to take over, dammit. Not that I want Stork and Free to start losing, but instead I want Snow and Stats to join them in some semi-final action sometime.
Well, i honestly think that JD v Stork and Flash v Free are one of the best semifinal matchups in OSL history. Both games gonna be epic, i doubt anyone will have a chance to 3:0. I would kill my kitten to see Flash vs Stork 2:3 final ^.-
I'm the biggest JD fanboy ever, but if JD loses this OSL I think he'll be crushed psychologically and be unable to return to his former glory. When he said he's going to play as if his life depended on it (NERD CHILLS), he's probably right about that.
Nobody should be sad about a repeat JD vs Flash finals. If the sun is indeed setting on BW, we could do no better than these two players battling it out in the failing light.
I dont think JD will get into a huge slump if he loses. I mean its 1 player, after flash JD is pretty much OP when it comes to BW.
And also, JD knows that if its hard to beat a player like Flash on a balanced map, its just shit hard to do it on maps that has over 60% win for terran.
On September 06 2010 21:13 purpose wrote: I dont think JD will get into a huge slump if he loses. I mean its 1 player, after flash JD is pretty much OP when it comes to BW.
And also, JD knows that if its hard to beat a player like Flash on a balanced map, its just shit hard to do it on maps that has over 60% win for terran.
As other people have posted before, I'm not sure if JD will go into a slump but it would probably take a toll on JD psychologically if he were to lose to Flash again. I mean losing to Flash 3 times in a row in the finals of the MSLs and OSL is rough.
I just hope JD has his head on straight and then he'll have a great chance given the map pool.
Ugh, JD has no momentum, his coach just quit, and Flash beat him a couple weeks ago in a Bo5... Honestly, i can't imagine being in JDs shoes. He's probably got a mental wall forming vs. Flash and then to lose his coach kinda sucks. If he wins I think its a testament to his mental fortitude.
I think for JvF to continue being the rivalry it is, JD needs to win, but Flash definitely has the mental advantage going in. I want to the Dong to show up, but I am worried about his mental strength.
On September 07 2010 00:00 Yxes2211 wrote: Ugh, JD has no momentum, his coach just quit, and Flash beat him a couple weeks ago in a Bo5... Honestly, i can't imagine being in JDs shoes. He's probably got a mental wall forming vs. Flash and then to lose his coach kinda sucks. If he wins I think its a testament to his mental fortitude.
I think for JvF to continue being the rivalry it is, JD needs to win, but Flash definitely has the mental advantage going in. I want to the Dong to show up, but I am worried about his mental strength.
This. However, he beat Stork in a close series, while displaying that he can roll with the best right now. The best part of JD's game was always his mental preparedness. He'll come out to play.
It's hard to say. It's sort of like a few years back in Tennis where Andy Roddick kept meeting Roger Federer in almost every final of every tournament. And yes, Federer always came out on top. It really set Roddick back by a mile. I mean he was definitely the next best player but he just couldn't overcome Federer and it clearly affected him big time.
Same thing like Nadal vs Federer now. We all saw how Federer cried after losing the Aus Open to Nadal last year. He probably thought he wouldn't win another Grand Slam anymore while Nadal is around.
But then again, if anyone can do it. It's gotta be JaeDong.
Dreamliner should be a win for JD, but then? Flash is shithard to beat anyway, but even if the map is just slightly in favour of T, its almost impossible.
On September 08 2010 04:11 Keidy wrote: The map-pool seems kinda T favoured, again.
Dreamliner should be a win for JD, but then? Flash is shithard to beat anyway, but even if the map is just slightly in favour of T, its almost impossible.
I actually think the maps are very balanced. Dreamliner balances PR, and EotS, and GL are pretty even. Any slight T favor is to be expected, just by the nature of the game. (T>Z>P>T) I really wish JD had played OSL first when he had all that momentum.
Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.
2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.
I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote: Are the maps really very balanced?
EOTS - 53.7% TvZ
PR - 63.4% TvZ
GLSE - 61.8% TvZ
DL - 23.1% ZvT
Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.
2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.
I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...
DL is still very very new and JD has shown he can play pretty impressive ZvT on GLSE. (Given the most recent in memory were WCG). I would take these OSL maps over the MSL maps any day. On top of that, EotS is the map played twice, so hopefully the Dong won't go for a greedy build like he did in MSL. Further, Flash seems more distressed about DL than JD about PR, which may make Flash try and finish this before it gets to set 4, and I think that plays into JD's hands assuming he can pull a win in g1 or g3. The problem with the MSL as compared to the OSL, is instead of maps that seemed to only favor terran, we now have a zerg favored map. Maybe as single maps they don't seem balanced, but i think as a set, they balance out pretty well.
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote: Are the maps really very balanced?
EOTS - 53.7% TvZ
PR - 63.4% TvZ
GLSE - 61.8% TvZ
DL - 23.1% ZvT
Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.
2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.
I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...
It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result.
IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled.
I think JD will take it. He learns any weakness players have, if someone beats flash he will study it and see how it was done and then replicate it. It's just how he is.
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote: Are the maps really very balanced?
EOTS - 53.7% TvZ
PR - 63.4% TvZ
GLSE - 61.8% TvZ
DL - 23.1% ZvT
Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.
2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.
I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...
It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result.
IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled.
On the other hand, didn't the 6 toss dragon period occur at a time maps were pretty toss favored, iirc.
If the MSL maps were to obvious a problem to ignore, the OSL maps I think you have to call close enough. Jaedong's big problem I think, if he doesn't win set one now he has to win on either of the T favored maps before he can get to Dreamliner. Of course Dreamliner being very new has not been played out, and that means there is more Flash can potentially do that will be creative.
On September 08 2010 09:00 mierin wrote: Are the maps really very balanced?
EOTS - 53.7% TvZ
PR - 63.4% TvZ
GLSE - 61.8% TvZ
DL - 23.1% ZvT
Okay, so we have a map that's pretty much balanced, slightly favoring Terran, twice. We have two maps majorly favoring Terran. And we have one map HUGELY favoring zerg.
2 very slightly T favored, 2 pretty T imba, 1 very Z imba...not exactly the definition of balanced.
I love JD for his "fuck the maps" attitude, but still...
It might be worth considering the current form of the top terran players, and the impact they've had on the map statistics. It wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that there have been at least four terran players in very good form (Flash, Fantasy, Light, Sea), and that their success, while influenced by, is not significantly dependent on the map pool. These statistics are therefore likely to overestimate the contribution of the map/matchup on the result.
IIRC and conversely (vague memory), Flash made one map seem balanced, while the rest of the terran's struggled.
On the other hand, didn't the 6 toss dragon period occur at a time maps were pretty toss favored, iirc.
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