Did u guys ever dream about something u felt was so important u just had to write it down somewhere so u wouldnt forget about it? Thats what happened to me last night.. i dreamt about the history of our game. I have no idea what instigated the dream but out of nowhere i started dreaming about small bits and pieces of the old days. Here are some of the things i dreamt about, there was way too much stuff to describe in detail so i decided to write the story's down in small factual quotes, here we go!
Did you know? Me and idra used to flame each other almost everyday on the tl/gosugamers forums. Yea i bet u could have figured that one out but did you know that the first person i met in BW whos still around was idra? We met when i was 13 or 14. He tried testing for my team and i crushed him on lost temple(and this was before i went over to the dark side), it was a tvz(me T) on LT, i proxy fact'ed outside of his base and floated it inside his main and started making vultures while teching to double starport wraiths, he didnt gg which was extremely uncommon back then(i think thats why i still remember the game). Oh yea, and did you know we used to be teammates?
Did you know? MgZ and [Media] didnt like each other, wait what.. who?
Did you know? ToT and [pG] had the sickest rivalry, ever.
Did you know? Before koreans started integrating themselves within the foreign SC2 community there was V-Gundam and ogogO. Both of them were progamers and had alot of close foreign friends, gundam was close with TL and ogogO was on ToT.
Did you know? Before zergs started producing 15 drones at a time, there was Blackman[pG]. The first foreign zerg macro machine.
Did you know? V-Gundam had his own style of play which was named after him, the gundam style was a 1base marine medic tank push vs protoss and he also had his revolutionary 2factory tank/vulture style.
Did you know? Once upon a time there was an american player called Maynard who liked to transfer workers to his expo. The next time you hear a caster commenting on how many workers a player is "maynarding" to his expansion think of maynard!
Did you know? Fayth used to be the best DT dropper, artosis hated DT drops, fayth is french canadian, artosis was idra's mentor, i think i just dr.phil'ed idra.
Did you know? Testie had a 104-0 PvT win streak on neo forbidden zone(was that the map?) on PGTour. Everyone was going ape shit over it.
Did you know? Testie has alot of accomplishments. (produced by Hot_Bid)
Did you know? Yea we knew.. we knew it was coming (produced by Hot_Bid)
Did you know? Jinro used to be really good in BW, he never got the credit that he deserved because he was always playing on the west server with korean players, i still remember him beating Terror[fOu] on Rush Hour, his pvz was really good on that map.
Did you know? Back in the day artosis would practice mostly with zerg players so he could beat day[9] at wcg. I used to practice with him and to this day i still remember something that he told me, it was something along these lines:"if u show these games to day9 ill kill you", he was super competitive but he was a good guy, even tho we had our moments back then his passion was always evident, o yea and sorry artosis that was when i was maphacking.
Did you know? I started maphacking so i could be as good as the players that i looked up to, yup i went about it the wrong way.
Did you know? The first time i got caught hacking was when i was in rS., LG)Cheloman caught me while we were playing a cw against them, the second time was during TSL1, TL found replays of me maphacking on the WGTour ladder under my smurf aQua66, i gave up maphacking when i realised i wanted to do more and be more within the community, i stopped maphacking 2-3 months before my first WCG event and got owned.
Do you know where the [9] from Day[9] comes from? Do you know who rS.Wisdom[9] is? Get informed!
Did you know? When MorroW started playing BW he always uploaded replays that he won on gosugamers.net(he was REAAAAAAALLY young and new to the game), i didnt like that so we didnt get along for a long time, now i love him.
Did you know? Ret retired numerous times from BW but he always came back after a few years, it usually only took him a couple of months of practice before he was owning everyone again.
Did you know? I used to play in the Clan [HoD] weekend tournaments, every week. Anyone remember those?
Do you guys remember when JoSeZ beat BoxeR at WCG? lol
Did you know? Androide beat a korean called Silent_Control at WCG, after the tournament S.C got alot of hate mail on his fanclub page.(and some death threats if i recall, dont quote me on that one)
Did you know? Mondragon and Testie used to be unbeatable in 2v2.
Did you know? Elky used to be a boss on Neo Bifrost, he would build his rax behind his opponent's mineral line and bunker it, i think legionnaire used to cannon rush behind the min line too.
Did you know? The first time i played against iNcontroL was on LT, he was P and i was Z, he goon dropped the cliff of my expo while teching to reavers, i was losing but then he suddenly paused the game and said "i have to go play against legionnaire, gg bye". i won the game.
***Have u ever heard of Draco or Mondragon? They were two of the most talented foreign BW players. EVER. How about Elky or Grrrr...? What about [gg99]slayer, sven, pillars, ntt, saft, z7-rain, kane-the-feared, everlast, lameking, agent911, rekrul, legionnaire, assem, beast, mondragon, blackman, raszi, maynard, kaaz, arcneon, 3d.yan, a2, androide, crayon, wisdom[9], testie, froz, x'ds~kiwi, blackjack, breakdown, castro, dinot, darki, dreiven, dunaj, hovz, aerials, zelotito, moonshine, ryko, hellghost, raven, deadman, mistrzzz, ovvi, midian, suker, odin, eriador, fisheye, kolll, oldy, infernal, jf, napoleon, ptak, spawn, satanik, smuft, trek, sugosu, tomson, yosh, veg, twisted, xiaozi, yan, squall, shaman, delicato, whear, didi8, alfa, cope, gentleman, schnibl0r, ranger, anon, ovvi, strafe, sys, fenris, willet, aspeak, stinger, rifter, hexer, daaman, dolife, aqrash, cameleon, pj, lx, notforu, infinity, zileas, tsunami, korn[pg], asmody, (orky)soul, daze, ace, crystal, corbalt, pride, jester, atlas, thor? These are some of the guys that i grew up with and idolized, never forget who they are because they helped build our community.
Did you know? I became a Nazgul fanboy after i saw his bo5(i dont remember the exact number of games) against BoxeR on LT. He kept doing this awesome 1 or 2g robo into double expand b.o and kept crushing BoxeR's timing attacks, that was when BoxeR was The real Emperor. Soon afterwards BoxeR was asked in an interview which player he feared the most, he said Nazgul.
Did you know? Nazgul came out of retirement and played in a tournament called sandlot, he almost beat In_Dove(1-2, he won a game on Neo Forte) at a time when foreigners couldn't even dream of touching korean players.
Did you know? The most important person in the history of our community is Nazgul, hes the only true superstar within our community and unfortunately he doesn't get the homage and respect that he truly deserves. Without Nazgul there would be no TL, no TL means no foreign BW community, no foreign BW community means no SC2 foreign community, no SC2 foreign community means tournaments wouldn't get the viewership that they're currently getting, no viewership means no sponsors, no sponsors means no money, no money means no no growth, no growth means the stagnation of esports. The next time u see Nazgul pls bow down to him. (he's obviously had some help along the way but you get the point)
** Do you know ** why i love this community? Because even when the oldschoolers move on with their lives they always remember where they came from. Do you know who IN^LameKing is? He's someone who schooled me on the true origins of our game. Were delving into some extreme oldschool now. LameKing brought me up to speed on how the early day SC players are doing now, heres what he had to say:
"Ok after a brief bout of nostalgia I realized my name wasn't on the list and my vanity kicked in. No mention of IN clan? I was IN^LameKing and Pillars win over me in PGL Season 4 was what shot him into stardom! I was even more vain back then and I went random (I was the #1 seed, how could I lose!) and let Pillars pick the map. Jacob's ladder him toss me zerg gg! That was back when we only did best of 1's and had to take a screenshot every 5 minutes to prove we weren't maphacking! Pillars was one of the first to play just 1 race and we all thought this was the most scandalous of ideas!
I also hosted with Agent911 what I believe was the first community site, Icantwin.com. Agent911 was definitely the Kiwikaki of old - he thought up the most bizarre strats. Also the first form of a "cast" came from this site - Agent911 did a battle report that consisted of screenshots and text commentary of a game I played against Jester.
All of us old schoolers hung out on a chat application named Kali, which predated B.net. Kali enabled us to simulate a IPX network over a TCP/IP network (Internet) between users so we could multiplay. Yes, you heard right, there was no b.net only LAN and we had to invent technology to play over the internet with it. Amazing how now everyone is begging for LAN back .
Pillars and I still stay in touch. Elky has gone on to superstardom in the poker world (I am a pro as well but no where near his celebrity status). Zileas is indeed a boss and was the subject of my satire at Icantwin.com quite regularly. LoL essentially is his baby. FWIW Zileas basically single handedly invented micro with his reaver drops. We thought this was BS that someone didn't just A-move. But by far the guy who did the best for himself out of the entire ex-bw crowd was Korn. He started pokerstrategy.com and is worth more then the rest of us combined I think. Assuming you value success monetarily of course. Pillars would disagree . Oh, and Maynard is doing well. I talk to him on skype now and then. Would you believe we all SWORE he hacked because of his transfers. No one knew how he suddenly went from 3 rax marines to supporting 6 instantly for the longest time and we'd swear he had some sort of hack. He's now a lawyer. I crack up every time someone says his name in a cast. There was also an amazing guy named TillerMaN who was definitely the precursor to MC - he could pull off bad manner like nobody's business. Other greats : INcinerate, INMogkupo (hell anyone from IN), INMoJo, Gadianton, IN-Bob, INPython, Atlas, Jester, Thor, Maven (sorry!!), Dimmack, 88fingers and dozens more.
Ok that's my rant! Great post TT1. Going back to being a 31 year old man now.
-will" <3 ty lameking
draco, testie, mondi sven slayer ntt froz pillars maynard, grrr, pillars, thor grrr in a sexy costume legionnaire elky rekrul nazgul nazgul and elky, bringin' sexyback rekrul [pG]Korn and Blackman[pG]
Did you know? Nazgul came out of retirement and played in a tournament called sandlot, he almost beat In_Dove(1-2, he won a game on Neo Forte) at a time when foreigners could'nt even dream of touching korean players.
I didn't. This blog is full of gems. Awesome.
Did you know? Op Rekrul used to be the IT spot.
Do you know what The Stove is? Get informed.
Do you know who Rekrul is? ROFL u missed out on alot of shit, browse the archives.
Pretty awesome to hear these snippets about what the game was like back then....some of these are names I've only vaguely heard of, like legends from the misty past, although I have been lucky enough to meet Nazgul, such a thoughtful person.
Also, mad respect for talking so openly about something you're ashamed of doing in the past, ie the maphacking. That's something I gather was a really serious deal back then.
I'm proud to say that while I'm relatively new to this community, I already knew a lot of these =) Thanks a lot for the others though, I love to learn about all those stuff. I need more information on ToT vs pG ! For Rkrul and Liquibitions http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=2132 an epic battle report !
That was a really in depth dream o.O . Awesome read nonetheless, especially the part of the foreign BW players. I think a lot of people, myself included, missed out on quite a bit.
On May 21 2012 22:28 nooboon wrote: That was a really in depth dream o.O . Awesome read nonetheless, especially the part of the foreign BW players. I think a lot of people, myself included, missed out on quite a bit.
yea i didnt dream about all of that rofl, it was only a few things but then once i woke up i started thinking about all the other stuff
Heh, anyone who's being on this forum long enough knows most of that stuff.
Still remember Silent_Control though LOLs, the epic hating that follows, if the korean protoss (Forgot his name) didn't win that WCG, all hell would break lose.
What ever happened to that guy? I vaguely remember he got into some trouble with something that has to do with rekrul LOLS
On May 21 2012 22:35 haduken wrote: Heh, anyone who's being on this forum long enough knows most of that stuff.
Still remember Silent_Control though LOLs, the epic hating that follows, if the korean protoss (Forgot his name) didn't win that WCG, all hell would break lose.
What ever happened to that guy? I vaguely remember he got into some trouble with something that has to do with rekrul LOLS
tt1 I think Castro still plays BW (and do you remember when Kolll first announced himself and said he was rising up really quickly and everyone laughed at him?)
Awesome nostalgia post (I used to have an old acc on TL.net before this one, I forgot the pw for it waaay back)
I still remember when GosI[Terran] barely lost to eSTRO Grape 2-1 and everyone was sad that a foreigner nearly beat a korean
On May 21 2012 22:48 SabreUK wrote: tt1 I think Castro still plays BW (and do you remember when Kolll first announced himself and said he was rising up really quickly and everyone laughed at him?)
Awesome nostalgia post (I used to have an old acc on TL.net before this one, I forgot the pw for it waaay back)
I still remember when GosI[Terran] barely lost to eSTRO Grape 2-1 and everyone was sad that a foreigner nearly beat a korean
On May 21 2012 22:48 SabreUK wrote: tt1 I think Castro still plays BW (and do you remember when Kolll first announced himself and said he was rising up really quickly and everyone laughed at him?)
Awesome nostalgia post (I used to have an old acc on TL.net before this one, I forgot the pw for it waaay back)
I still remember when GosI[Terran] barely lost to eSTRO Grape 2-1 and everyone was sad that a foreigner nearly beat a korean
i think that was ret
I swear it was Juan, I know that he was one of those that always played with the koreans, I may be mistaken though, if so I apologise :p
On May 21 2012 22:48 SabreUK wrote: tt1 I think Castro still plays BW (and do you remember when Kolll first announced himself and said he was rising up really quickly and everyone laughed at him?)
Awesome nostalgia post (I used to have an old acc on TL.net before this one, I forgot the pw for it waaay back)
I still remember when GosI[Terran] barely lost to eSTRO Grape 2-1 and everyone was sad that a foreigner nearly beat a korean
i think that was ret
I swear it was Juan, I know that he was one of those that always played with the koreans, I may be mistaken though, if so I apologise :p
On May 21 2012 22:48 SabreUK wrote: tt1 I think Castro still plays BW (and do you remember when Kolll first announced himself and said he was rising up really quickly and everyone laughed at him?)
Awesome nostalgia post (I used to have an old acc on TL.net before this one, I forgot the pw for it waaay back)
I still remember when GosI[Terran] barely lost to eSTRO Grape 2-1 and everyone was sad that a foreigner nearly beat a korean
i think that was ret
I swear it was Juan, I know that he was one of those that always played with the koreans, I may be mistaken though, if so I apologise :p
I think i still have some Ogogo replays from a WCG he participated in (and won i believe). Stuck on my old comp in my dads basement ^^
Edit: Haha, what the fuck?
"On the 12th of March, 2008, Ogogo was arrested and charged on suspicious of theft. It was alleged that in September of 2006, a group of people including Ogogo broke into an empty house and stole 18,000USD worth of cameras and other equipment." This was news to me at least
On May 21 2012 22:48 SabreUK wrote: tt1 I think Castro still plays BW (and do you remember when Kolll first announced himself and said he was rising up really quickly and everyone laughed at him?)
Awesome nostalgia post (I used to have an old acc on TL.net before this one, I forgot the pw for it waaay back)
I still remember when GosI[Terran] barely lost to eSTRO Grape 2-1 and everyone was sad that a foreigner nearly beat a korean
i think that was ret
I swear it was Juan, I know that he was one of those that always played with the koreans, I may be mistaken though, if so I apologise :p
Oh god, someone needs to write a history of Starcraft. I know there's the Starcraft bible but indepth stuff like this needs to be preserved. Once people like like you who remember all this stuff leave the community it'll all be forgotten forever!
On May 21 2012 23:34 surfinbird1 wrote: Oh god, someone needs to write a history of Starcraft. I know there's the Starcraft bible but indepth stuff like this needs to be preserved. Once people like like you who remember all this stuff leave the community it'll all be forgotten forever!
yea i was thinking about that too =/, would be nice if there was some sort of tl history thread or something
On May 21 2012 22:43 KvltMan wrote: When I read this kind of stuff I'm always envious of the people who were around when TL started.
These knowledge bombs...I always feel the same way. My friend was B+ on iccup and followed BW and TL in BW's heyday. I still give him so much shit for not introducing me to TL earlier.
Liquibition died because F91 killed everyone and there was no one left to challenge him
Agree that Naz can never get enough credit, a lot of people in esports are straight up crazy and Naz is one of the few solid guys who knows how to promote what we do. It's relatively easy to jump on the esports bandwagon now but just think that Naz has been treating this like a real, professional job for a decade now and there was no hope of money/fame/anything like that for nearly all of it. It's hard to overstate just how incredible that is.
I remember all this stuff...thanks for making me feel old! It would be cool to compile everything from the old days into a single document, although it could end up too long.
For me, the best Nazgul moment is that LT game vs. Hellghost from the first TLT. It remains the best game I've ever seen in either BW or SC2.
On May 21 2012 23:37 SnowFantasy wrote: Yep, Testie's 104-0 im pretty sure it was.
So crazy.
Did he lose a game in the end or did he just stop playing?
edit: sick blogpost btw
He lost to LJT (best known as xiaozi's 2on2 partner but a fine 1on1 player as well). I'm fairly certain they were teammates at that time, so that makes it even better.
Holy shit that did you know list devolved into a 'lol you weren't here in broodwar Get informed.' condescending rant really quickly. That was a bit depressing.
On May 22 2012 00:40 zXk3 wrote: did you know, i still remember every bit of info you posted here, and still im your fan.. hope we can met one day and you dont ditch me this time
LOL fuck u i thought i was gonna get abducted in mexico (raul right? i never knew wat ur tl id was ROFL)
On May 22 2012 00:40 intrigue wrote: someone really wants to be a Liquid member :D
sry i dont join teams that have hippy nerds such as intrigue in them
Did you know? Nazgul came out of retirement and played in a tournament called sandlot, he almost beat In_Dove(1-2, he won a game on Neo Forte) at a time when foreigners could'nt even dream of touching korean players.
That was really just between me and ret / mondragon. I think we're past that now though. Obviously I'm quite good friends with ret now, and I think mondragon is ok with me now. I'm at least always happy to watch dissy play sc2 and think hes a cool guy. Ah BW times...
Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
I feel old when I knew most of this. The Nazgul beating Boxer a lot while he was emperor i didnt know. respect!! Btw Jinro owned at the Sandlot tour. He took down some koreans then I think. I miss the gosu BW players that didnt start with SC2. Whatever happened to the players you list?
PS. I used to be the biggest Testie fanboy when he was owning everyone
Man I remember all of this stuff, and soo much more. I remember when the koreans were not quite famous yet for sc/bw and there were tons of awesome foreign players with their own communities. Like for example Montaro the terran player, who had a website, and of course INAgent911 and the IN clan website. Then came the big boys, broodwar.com, SCLegacy and tao of gaming. Man theres soo much history involved in broodwar, you could probably write a decent sized book on it all.
Also the crazy Zia incident was pretty memorable. Zia was thought to be a girl who was pretty famous in broodwar for hanging around the top players. This even included a small online relationship with eridator/drone that turned into quite a shitfest when it leaked that zia was in fact a man posing as a woman for MANY years. Not just a month or 2, but for a very long time. It was shocking as hell when the truth came out. What made it worse was eridator/drone had lied and said they met up in person, when really they didnt cuz zia was a total man ahah.
On May 22 2012 01:21 VTArlock wrote: Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
i gave shoutouts to the players who didnt switch over/retired, they needed some recognition : D
On May 22 2012 01:21 VTArlock wrote: Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
i gave shoutouts to the players who didnt switch over/retired, they needed some recognition : D
On May 22 2012 01:21 VTArlock wrote: Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
i gave shoutouts to the players who didnt switch over/retired, they needed some recognition : D
Blackman?
BNAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHGG how could i have forgotten theres obviously alot of other players that i forgot to mention, plz name them so i can add them into my OP
Did you know? Testie had a (100ish? dont remember the exact number) win streak on neo forbidden zone(was that the map?) on PGTour. Everyone was going ape shit over it.
He played only PvT though.
He wanted to show that TvP is impossible on that map. I know this because I was one of his victims (he was about 35-0 when I played him). And yes, TvP actually is impossible on that map
Did you know? Testie had a (100ish? dont remember the exact number) win streak on neo forbidden zone(was that the map?) on PGTour. Everyone was going ape shit over it.
He played only PvT though.
He wanted to show that TvP is impossible on that map. I know this because I was one of his victims (he was about 35-0 when I played him). And yes, TvP actually is impossible on that map
i got shivers reading through the names of all the oldschool players, i still remember most of them. old bw times were the best, i miss them so much great blog <3
I remember talking all the time with 3D.ArrOw, polish guy who was one of the leaders of the biggest russian team for many years, he sadly passed away maybe a couple of years ago after suffering with cancer. he was super cool and actually taught me quite a bit when i sucked ass at bw just from 1v1 obs games.
people I used to love watching in bw(that haven't been mentioned) : SarenS, that danish 2v2 team (dahli & pytho..something), SunCow(ROFL), TreK, SquaLL, smacker, ReasoN, Paranoid (Gosia)...
Awesome blog TT1, thanks for bringing back (mostly) good memories, and that rekrul urban dictionary is awesome as all get out. I have some more reading to do for the stuff i don't remeber, thanks!
Mondragon and Draco have been my heroes for years. Especially Draco who i thought would win the TSL2. Thanks for the write up. I really wish Rekrul would do some show matches new PL style. Mixing some sc2 games in with some BW. He really is my hero.
Much love to you too TT1. I have always cheered you on.
On May 22 2012 03:11 NebuLoSa wrote: Why do you only mention that you've won against IdrA and not that he was like, one million times more skilled and faster than you?
cus i was trying to take a funny poke at him while telling the story, y so salty bro
***Have u ever heard of Draco or Mondragon? They were two of the most talented foreign BW players. EVER. How about Elky or Grrrr...? What about [gg99]slayer, sven, ntt, saft, z7-rain, rekrul, legionnaire, assem, mondragon, blackman, maynard, kaaz, arcneon, 3d.yan, a2, androide, crayon, wisdom[9], testie, froz, x'ds~kiwi, blackjack, breakdown, castro, dinot, darki, dreiven, fenrir, dunaj, aerials, zelotito, moonshine, ryko, hellghost, raven, deadman, mistrzzz, midian, suker, odin, eriador, fisheye, kolll, oldy, infernal, iefnaij, napoleon, ptak, spawn, satanik, smuft, trek, sugosu, tomson, yosh, veg, twisted, xiaozi, yan, squall? These are some of the guys that i grew up with and idolized, never forget who they are because they helped build our community.
Good list of emotional points in the community I was thinking earlier today exactly how I'd described what I'd experienced over the last 12 years in a paragraph or two to someone who has never heard of StarCraft. It was good way to think about just how much had happened.
Not gonna be a hipster or anything and name old names ;p The only thing I have to brag about is playing Testie in SCV football ;p Kids good at that game.
On May 22 2012 01:21 VTArlock wrote: Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
i gave shoutouts to the players who didnt switch over/retired, they needed some recognition : D
Blackman?
BNAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHGG how could i have forgotten theres obviously alot of other players that i forgot to mention, plz name them so i can add them into my OP
Delicato, reason, whear, didi8, alfa, breakdown (!!!), cope, ranger, anon, ovvi (!!!), strafe, twisted, sys, fenris, willet, aspeak, stinger, rifter, hexer aka test-acc, xiaozi, daaman (!!!), dolife, spawn, aqrash, cameleon. There was also a great terran from Bulgaria but his name escapes me.
Here is a great page with some old school pics. There are even a couple videos of nazgul at the bottom (links still work after all these years).
On May 22 2012 01:21 VTArlock wrote: Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
i gave shoutouts to the players who didnt switch over/retired, they needed some recognition : D
Blackman?
BNAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHGG how could i have forgotten theres obviously alot of other players that i forgot to mention, plz name them so i can add them into my OP
Delicato, reason, whear, didi8, alfa, breakdown (!!!), cope, ranger, anon, ovvi (!!!), strafe, twisted, sys, fenris, willet, aspeak, stinger, rifter, hexer aka test-acc, xiaozi, daaman (!!!), dolife, spawn, aqrash, cameleon. There was also a great terran from Bulgaria but his name escapes me.
Here is a great page with some old school pics. There are even a couple videos of nazgul at the bottom (links still work after all these years).
On May 22 2012 01:21 VTArlock wrote: Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
i gave shoutouts to the players who didnt switch over/retired, they needed some recognition : D
Blackman?
BNAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHGG how could i have forgotten theres obviously alot of other players that i forgot to mention, plz name them so i can add them into my OP
Delicato, reason, whear, didi8, alfa, breakdown (!!!), cope, ranger, anon, ovvi (!!!), strafe, twisted, sys, fenris, willet, aspeak, stinger, rifter, hexer aka test-acc, xiaozi, daaman (!!!), dolife, spawn, aqrash, cameleon. There was also a great terran from Bulgaria but his name escapes me.
Here is a great page with some old school pics. There are even a couple videos of nazgul at the bottom (links still work after all these years).
lamer? he plays sc2
Lamer was good but I was thinking of Beast[BG] aka Christian. He took 3rd place in a WCG (2004 I think). Also, one more name: Infinity[pG]. This is really making me nostalgic.
One more thing that might surprise people: the first popular non-Korean ladder, WGTour, used an honor system for reporting maches in its early seasons. The loser of a match had to report their loss on the WGT site. Despite the obvious opportunity for abuse, only one person ever failed to report vs. me. Somehow I can't imagine this system working too well in SC2.
On May 22 2012 01:23 eXigent. wrote: Man I remember all of this stuff, and soo much more. I remember when the koreans were not quite famous yet for sc/bw and there were tons of awesome foreign players with their own communities. Like for example Montaro the terran player, who had a website, and of course INAgent911 and the IN clan website. Then came the big boys, broodwar.com, SCLegacy and tao of gaming. Man theres soo much history involved in broodwar, you could probably write a decent sized book on it all.
Also the crazy Zia incident was pretty memorable. Zia was thought to be a girl who was pretty famous in broodwar for hanging around the top players. This even included a small online relationship with eridator/drone that turned into quite a shitfest when it leaked that zia was in fact a man posing as a woman for MANY years. Not just a month or 2, but for a very long time. It was shocking as hell when the truth came out. What made it worse was eridator/drone had lied and said they met up in person, when really they didnt cuz zia was a total man ahah.
I'll never forget that Zia incident, that was so incredibly creepy hahahaha.
I was a huge Midian fanboi, guy was such a legend. He was really active in the strategy forum around 2006-2007 when foreign broodwar really started falling behind Korean. He would post extensive dissertations about how to play on pretty much every thread where some D level zerg posted a replay and asked for help.
On May 22 2012 04:41 SniXSniPe wrote: lol, does anyone remember HoZ, or something like that? the really BM dude who got into a fight with another BW nerd for some reason?
On May 22 2012 03:57 mTwTT1 wrote: fuck im trying to find that pic of nazgul and elky wearing a blond wig, anyone remember that? i think it was for a commercial or something
nazgul might have deleted every last copy from the internet
On May 22 2012 03:57 mTwTT1 wrote: fuck im trying to find that pic of nazgul and elky wearing a blond wig, anyone remember that? i think it was for a commercial or something
nazgul might have deleted every last copy from the internet
don't know too much of that, but i can understand how nostalgic you must feel, when so much time passes, and things aren't the way they used to be and often will never be again
i know the parts like silent control being beat, i know pj, i knew a bit about nazgul, elky, maynard, mondragon, grrrr, rekrul
LOL wow gossip thread by rekrul, how much is true or based on true things...? xD
also who is that girl next to grrr in the costume? gf?
edit:
I didn't know about nazgul when i saw him play sc2 in beta, i didn't know he was TL guy and all
i'm a bit disappointed that he's not playing competitively anymore
i wonder how good he is and if he ever plans on playing again? or does he just love managing TL forums/team and is satisfied with his progaming career <3
Do you know where the [9] from Day[9] comes from? Do you know who rS.Wisdom[9] is? Get informed!
Did you know? I think (not 100% certain, please correct me if I'm wrong) rS.Wisdom[9] got his [9] from [9]eVERLAST (who won one the first ladder season, when ladder actually meant something). [9]eVERLAST was sponsored by the Café Nine Internet cafe in sweden, where he played an insane amount of games while drinking insane amounts of fanta to stay awake.
Café Nine also sponsored the quakeworld clan Up Your Backpack, which changed their name to [9] and was the best quake clan in the world in the early days of eSPORTS.
On May 22 2012 04:41 SniXSniPe wrote: lol, does anyone remember HoZ, or something like that? the really BM dude who got into a fight with another BW nerd for some reason?
HovZ oh yeahhhh! He made some "RWAs" (replays with audio) that were amusing/good for the time.
Korn[pG] was a famous German Brood War player. He casted WCG'02 and commentated on an epic oldschool game between BoxeR and Blackman...
... while being very involved in the gaming world, he finished school with the best possible score in Germany, went on to study at Oxford, finished his bachelor's (math + economics), and afterwards founded one of the most successful poker related sites worldwide aka www.pokerstrategy.com (which sponsored TSL1).
On May 22 2012 03:57 mTwTT1 wrote: fuck im trying to find that pic of nazgul and elky wearing a blond wig, anyone remember that? i think it was for a commercial or something
nazgul might have deleted every last copy from the internet
On May 21 2012 23:34 surfinbird1 wrote: Oh god, someone needs to write a history of Starcraft. I know there's the Starcraft bible but indepth stuff like this needs to be preserved. Once people like like you who remember all this stuff leave the community it'll all be forgotten forever!
Me too lol. I used to be involved in DoTA community that was sort of like this though.. but not nearly as awesome apparently
I love this stuff! Great post, thanks for sharing. (and I hope we will speak about SC2 with the same love in a couple of years, and of course never forget about BW). <3
Sandlot was probably my favorite "foreigner" tournament of all time (ok, tied with TSL). I can remember the hype even today. And seeing some of the foreigners taking the games from the koreans... it was glorious!
***Have u ever heard of Draco or Mondragon? They were two of the most talented foreign BW players. EVER. How about Elky or Grrrr...? What about [gg99]slayer, sven, ntt, saft, z7-rain, rekrul, legionnaire, assem, mondragon, blackman, maynard, kaaz, arcneon, 3d.yan, a2, androide, crayon, wisdom[9], testie, froz, x'ds~kiwi, blackjack, breakdown, castro, dinot, darki, dreiven, fenrir, dunaj, aerials, zelotito, moonshine, ryko, hellghost, raven, deadman, mistrzzz, midian, suker, odin, eriador, fisheye, kolll, oldy, infernal, iefnaij, napoleon, ptak, spawn, satanik, smuft, trek, sugosu, tomson, yosh, veg, twisted, xiaozi, yan, squall? These are some of the guys that i grew up with and idolized, never forget who they are because they helped build our community.
On May 22 2012 01:21 VTArlock wrote: Man I remember back in the day Froz, Yosh, g5, (idra once), and Machine used to all go to the WCG qualifier in San Mateo where I lived. I got so mad in (2004?) when I had to play either yosh or g5 in round 1. Those were the days.
EDIT: You should totally give g5 credit in your OP shoutout spot. (Nony too ^^)
EDIT 2 Liquibition and TL attack need to make a comeback.
i gave shoutouts to the players who didnt switch over/retired, they needed some recognition : D
Blackman?
BNAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHGG how could i have forgotten theres obviously alot of other players that i forgot to mention, plz name them so i can add them into my OP
Delicato, reason, whear, didi8, alfa, breakdown (!!!), cope, ranger, anon, ovvi (!!!), strafe, twisted, sys, fenris, willet, aspeak, stinger, rifter, hexer aka test-acc, xiaozi, daaman (!!!), dolife, spawn, aqrash, cameleon. There was also a great terran from Bulgaria but his name escapes me.
Here is a great page with some old school pics. There are even a couple videos of nazgul at the bottom (links still work after all these years).
The list is piling up. I think its starting to cover almost everybody. Here are some more (unsure of spelling): Asmody, (Orky)Soul, {PH}Pillars, 1st~Tsunami, I think PJ has been mentioned? But in a single post?
Edit: I dont really know Tillerman's skill. He seemed to excel at RTS war2/sc/bw/war3 but never wanted to put in the actual hours. Anybody know how good he was at sc? At least i remember his war3 casts were fucking hilarious. "What can i dew? Tell me how to stop that expansion right nau!" I still have his UD vs HU imbalance mp3 on my ipod ^^
There are also some other names i remember, but not sure about their skill in reference to foreigner at that time: )ToT(DaZe, the swede.
Edit2: I made a thread a year ago where i went through every tournament posted on battlereports.com from 00-02, and picked out the ones that had great players. Might be some forgotten names in there. It can be found here
Wow, I am only on TL since SC2 release, but all that nostalgic stuff sounds so awesome. I heard a lot of that from the Day[9] Daily #100 and from a few posts here on TL, but there's also a lot of very interesting and for me new stuff in there ... Still can't believe that all this happened, when I was basically going the first time to elementary school ..
I did know some of those ! but its nice to be reminded.
Did you know? Testie had a (100ish? dont remember the exact number) win streak on neo forbidden zone(was that the map?) on PGTour. Everyone was going ape shit over it.
I thought it was only when testie played PvT he had 100-0 record.
Did you know ? Fredrik Ostervold aka [GG99]Slayer won a korean tournament KPGM, and was regarded as one of the best players in the world. Yes that was a tournament filled with Koreans.
Legionnaire(foreigner) scored first ever all-kill in history of Korean Brood War?
Incontrol is 1-0 against young Jaedong and Flash (ladder)?
Mondragon won vs Savior
PJ won vs Savior and fought close battles with Stork, Bisu at wcg.
Draco won vs Midas at WCG 2006.
Someone drew Swastika on Blackman's 3rd place WCG 2002 check, that made him very upset.
Blackman was considered as pioneer of macro zerg style, he lost to Boxer in an exciting game in wcg 2002.
Blackman used to train vs computer opponent in BW because his Internet connection was very poor.
Stork and Savior despite having very little apm (200-250) are regarded as some of the best players ever.
Boxer was first a Protoss but switched when Reavers got nerfed in 1.08.
Advokate took a game of Jaedong at wcg.
Firebathero was on Team Light for a month. It was back then when it was a BW team. But he had to leave because he started his progaming career.
You are free to fix some details if i missed ;p Blackman and Draco polish legends <3 !
On May 21 2012 22:04 mTwTT1 wrote: ***Have u ever heard of Draco or Mondragon? They were two of the most talented foreign BW players. EVER. How about Elky or Grrrr...? What about [gg99]slayer, sven, pillars, ntt, saft, z7-rain, kane-the-feared, everlast, lameking, agent911, rekrul, legionnaire, assem, beast, mondragon, blackman, raszi, maynard, kaaz, arcneon, 3d.yan, a2, androide, crayon, wisdom[9], testie, froz, x'ds~kiwi, blackjack, breakdown, castro, dinot, darki, dreiven, dunaj, hovz, aerials, zelotito, moonshine, ryko, hellghost, raven, deadman, mistrzzz, midian, suker, odin, eriador, fisheye, kolll, oldy, infernal, iefnaij, napoleon, ptak, spawn, satanik, smuft, trek, sugosu, tomson, yosh, veg, twisted, xiaozi, yan, squall, shaman, delicato, whear, didi8, alfa, cope, ranger, anon, ovvi, strafe, sys, fenris, willet, aspeak, stinger, rifter, hexer, daaman, dolife, aqrash, cameleon, pj, lx, notforu, infinity, zileas, tsunami, korn[pg], asmody, (orky)soul, daze, ace, crystal, corbalt, pride? These are some of the guys that i grew up with and idolized, never forget who they are because they helped build our community.
Other greats : INcinerate, INMogkupo (hell anyone from IN), INMoJo, Gadianton, IN-Bob, INPython, Atlas, Jester, Thor, Maven (sorry!!), Dimmack, 88fingers and dozens more.
Never any love for me or my brother (Wizard). ;(
Anyway - thought I'd replug for those who have never heard or seen these people play. I did a series of Nostalgia games awhile back with about ~700 old replays from 2001-2002 that has about 1/4 of this list within it. You can access the vids or download the replays from the following threads: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2012 22:04 mTwTT1 wrote: All of us old schoolers hung out on a chat application named Kali, which predated B.net. Kali enabled us to simulate TCP/IP networks between users so we could multiplay. Yes, you heard right, there was no b.net only LAN and we had to invent technology to play over the internet with it. Amazing how now everyone is begging for LAN back .
I remeber Kali, it was actually when I was introduced to BW. We had few PCs in LAN but we had no Internet there. I think we used Kali as a proxy because the game complained about just single license I only remember mass mutas from there and that one French girl was actually owning us. But that was many years ago before I started watching BW games on YT channels and discovered TL (lurking for more than 5 years here...) so I had no idea about the scene or if it was esport back then. So still most of the names doesn't ring a bell, I started watching the Korean VODs and didn't follow international scene until later.
Aha! Fun read, thanks. I enjoyed the testie vs incontrol video All the BW legend makes me sad I never played it. I wonder if someday people will be talking about SC2 like this...
All of us old schoolers hung out on a chat application named Kali, which predated B.net. Kali enabled us to simulate TCP/IP networks between users so we could multiplay. Yes, you heard right, there was no b.net only LAN and we had to invent technology to play over the internet with it. Amazing how now everyone is begging for LAN back .
Small correction: Kali simulated a IPX network over a TCP/IP network (Internet).
You forgot to include the WDT scam ran by smuft/elky. Probably the biggest bullshit to ever happen in the BW days aside from the Savior/koreans scandal.
Great post though btw, pG was the team i looked up to the most as well as TL. Back when i played protoss i looked up to team z7- which was pretty much all protoss users lol.
I then switched to terran after watching some of Gundam's replays. Vulture vs goon micro became an obsession. O how good it feels to surround a group of goons with mines and run away watching the blue goo splatter all over the battlefield.
great thread. who is yan? i remember a yan[gg]ua from east ladder but i think he was abusing cause i saw a replay of him and he clearly was not good hehe
also i beat testie once in a tvz on lost temple but it was 12-9 so who cares. was in vanilla sc iirc!
When these threads come up I am always envious of all that I missed. I wish I had know before.
I also get a great deal of satisfaction knowing that, in ten years, I will have the same kind of memories to share in for starcraft 2. Starcraft and esports are such great things.
On May 22 2012 09:46 ReachTheSky wrote: You forgot to include the WDT scam ran by smuft/elky. Probably the biggest bullshit to ever happen in the BW days aside from the Savior/koreans scandal.
Great post though btw, pG was the team i looked up to the most as well as TL. Back when i played protoss i looked up to team z7- which was pretty much all protoss users lol.
I then switched to terran after watching some of Gundam's replays. Vulture vs goon micro became an obsession. O how good it feels to surround a group of goons with mines and run away watching the blue goo splatter all over the battlefield.
Yeah,
Elky, Smuft, and ilnp never did get what they deserved on that one.
In fact I think they all have done very well since then.
Anybody want to pay $20 to play in a tournament for a flight to korea and a spot on a pro team?
On May 21 2012 23:37 SnowFantasy wrote: Yep, Testie's 104-0 im pretty sure it was.
So crazy.
Indeed, and around that time there was also mondi's insane win streak when there were a lot of koreans... (Some say he's been avoidoing korean's peak time, but still...)
Oh man, thank for the reminder though. Is it weird that i can recall like 90% of the oldschool's name you mentionned ? Good time !
i only started getting into BW around 07-08 but im still stoked i remember most of this ^^ when you mentioned mistrzzz i suddenly remembered that crazy polish player and how he used to scream LEGEND in his vods lol he was one of my favorites
On May 22 2012 17:27 Newbistic wrote: Bah, Testie used to be my idol because he went random and still owned everybody.
But then he became a douche and dropped off the radar?
He was amazing, I remember he was playing dota full time and still took games off Reach and Nal_rA at hmm, Blizzcon? His only practise was playing a few games against randomers in Op TL-West. Also dat game against Bisu where he forgot dragoon range and still went toe to toe with him all game. So sick.
I recall reading Battle Reports between Maynard, Grrrr, Zileas in like 98-2000... can you imagine people today getting exciting over reading starcraft games?
You forgot quite a lot of french players... Chobo, Scream, Moman, Bundy... :D
Also did you know that back in the days Nazgul used to play a lot on WGTour and observer maps weren't used yet. I obsed one of his game (on LT obv) using the old trick of terran + lift cc + players give vision but since I was getting bored I started expanding on the island, the game went on for quite a long time and at some point Naz wanted to expand on the island and saw all my stuff, I was a bit embarrassed :D He didn't flame me tho and won that game. I also remember him offracing and doing weird strats at the beginning of a season. I also remember him losing to Boxer at WCG on Neo Jungle Story, Boxer won the game with only two tanks and a dropship, outmicroing Naz's goons.
On May 22 2012 18:08 rift wrote: I recall reading Battle Reports between Maynard, Grrrr, Zileas in like 98-2000... can you imagine people today getting exciting over reading starcraft games?
On May 22 2012 18:08 rift wrote: I recall reading Battle Reports between Maynard, Grrrr, Zileas in like 98-2000... can you imagine people today getting exciting over reading starcraft games?
thanks for that list of players... reminds me back on the good old times when kaaz, arcneon, breakdown and schnibl0r were still around always never forget that legendary draco - mondragon rivalry..
That Testie incontrol video is hilarious, it reminds me of a video of testie more recently. (i have stopped following the pro scene for the most part, and many players have switched to dota 2, and it could be true for testie), so i don't know if he still plays HoN but he was considered one of the best HoN players for years.
Great post I love learning about the old school era.
Did you know 3 years ago I helped with a tournament called the WarCraft III Nations Cup which was a mainly amateur/semi pro WC3 player tournament and it was won by a relatively unknown player who seemed to have a lot of potential and talent. That player was Stephano.
Nostalgia! I remember rooting for ToT back in the day. I was a huge mondi fan haha. I remember crazy record (like 50-1) against PvT using the zergling run by in the first TSL hahah
On May 22 2012 00:40 zXk3 wrote: did you know, i still remember every bit of info you posted here, and still im your fan.. hope we can met one day and you dont ditch me this time
LOL fuck u i thought i was gonna get abducted in mexico (raul right? i never knew wat ur tl id was ROFL)
Dude i told you my nick like a thousand times before, anyways, just to be on topic, i almost beat naz once in bw, but he did a 1 base comeback against my overconfident 2 base protoss, lol got pwned hard for trying to poke the beast Also, no one remembers Satanik? the worst stomp of my life was against him, i still remember that tvt at wcg between boxer and josez, i still remember meeting testie at Panams, and day9 later.. just to note, testie also tought that i would abduct him, but instead of testing his luck like you, he just shutted me off right away
One classic player that I haven't seen mentioned is Didi8[BG]. One of the first reps I ever saw was him beating Elky PvT on LT with carriers. He also played a crazy game against Boxer at one of the earlier WCGs (probably 2002). He went on to play WC3 NE and I have no idea what he's up to these days. A good guess would be poker.
People remember Lastshadow rigging maps, but before that there was this guy known as Stratus (that's the name that I remember, but it could be Stratux or something similar) who rigged LT in favour of P by making everything cheaper and decreasing build times. He got away with it for a while by refusing to play PvP (saying that it was a boring mu) and by naming the actual file Zergling blood.scm so that no one would ever think to check even when they suspected him of some immoral actions. I recall he was #1 on the broodwar.com ladder until his shenanigans were uncovered.
On May 23 2012 00:54 McFeser wrote: So did anyone on this site ever beat Nazgul?
2 hours and 48 minute mark of BW Nostalgia #1 (my commenting and understanding on how old replays worked in the first one was god awful though). Sadly, Nazgul was zerg for this game so I don't think it actually counts. ;p
Did you know? When MorroW started playing BW he always uploaded replays that he won on gosugamers.net(he was REAAAAAAALLY young and new to the game), i didnt like that so we didnt get along for a long time, now i love him.
wtf man i was stone hard
so much so now alot of progamers realized that was really cool (lol) and most progamers upload replay packs of themselves and says its for the fans. hahaha
sidenote, i never knew tt1 as a hacker, just his 3nexus on 1gate abuse when i was attempting to learn the flash build for the 1000th time. he told me i played too predictable, i told him this is how i should play to become good. good times :D
On May 22 2012 16:04 DanceCommander wrote: i only started getting into BW around 07-08 but im still stoked i remember most of this ^^ when you mentioned mistrzzz i suddenly remembered that crazy polish player and how he used to scream LEGEND in his vods lol he was one of my favorites
MIStrZZZ truly was epic. Just look at this picture, just look! It says everything, lol.
Oh my god, so much nostalgia. Thanks for creating this thread - sometimes I wonder if anyone remembers these things, and I get a bit sad, and threads like these remind me that old memories are alive and well in many people's minds.
I remember almost all of the names mentioned here. I hung out regularly in ~nohunters, x17, and Kali, read battlereports.com religiously, and was even featured in a battlereport in 2000 (12 years ago - can't believe it's been that long).
I remember: the first time seeing the real Grrrr join a channel I was in and being starstruck because he was just about the best in the world at the time, I remember reading 1st~Tsunami's starcraft website because it had a ton of great articles, I remember being BMed in a game by SuperCondomUser, I remember reading sclegacy every day, I remember logging into Kali for the first time and being awed by all the good players there, I remember chatting in broken english with the Russian orky players like Asmodey and Soul (who became a successful poker player in his own right, 2nd place at WSOP a couple years ago).
I was always on the outside looking in, though, since I didn't have near enough skill to keep up with the top players at the time. There were no replays back then, or streams or VODs, so the top players were all extremely talented and smart (or hacked). I looked up to them a lot and was just good enough that I could get games against some of them. Since there was no formal matchmaking system and the b.net ladder was full of hackers, it was very hard to get good players to even play against you if you were unknown, and I never won enough against good players to really prove myself. But it was okay - those days are still some of the best memories of my gaming life.
On May 22 2012 16:04 DanceCommander wrote: i only started getting into BW around 07-08 but im still stoked i remember most of this ^^ when you mentioned mistrzzz i suddenly remembered that crazy polish player and how he used to scream LEGEND in his vods lol he was one of my favorites
MIStrZZZ truly was epic. Just look at this picture, just look! It says everything, lol.
On May 23 2012 00:21 iwearcapes wrote: no love for JF TT1?
did you know JF beat draco in an epic 2-0 come back 3-0 or it might be more games. but you get the point!
i know i missed a shitload of stuff but it would have took me 10 years if i wanted to talk about everything : D, thats why we need a history book or something
SC VANILLA/BW/TL HISTORY THREAD GOGOGOOOOO, we cant forget about our past tt
Did you know? When MorroW started playing BW he always uploaded replays that he won on gosugamers.net(he was REAAAAAAALLY young and new to the game), i didnt like that so we didnt get along for a long time, now i love him.
wtf man i was stone hard
so much so now alot of progamers realized that was really cool (lol) and most progamers upload replay packs of themselves and says its for the fans. hahaha
sidenote, i never knew tt1 as a hacker, just his 3nexus on 1gate abuse when i was attempting to learn the flash build for the 1000th time. he told me i played too predictable, i told him this is how i should play to become good. good times :D
: D holy shit thats wat i told demuslim like last week after i double expoed ROFL
i remember playing 2:2 on Op ToT) @ Europe vs Mondragon and other ToT member i can't recall, we lost 5-1, that 1 game that we took of them was my pride. i showed it to everyone in the chilean community. rofl.
So could you guys tell who actualy was the best foreigner ever in bw? Leg,Grrr,Testie? And who had the most potential to be the best foreigner ever if he went to korea and trained?
On May 23 2012 03:20 whiteLotus wrote: So could you guys tell who actualy was the best foreigner ever in bw? Leg,Grrr,Testie? And who had the most potential to be the best foreigner ever if he went to korea and trained?
hard to say cus there were alot of different era's, talent-wise i think draco and ret had alot of potential
On May 23 2012 03:20 whiteLotus wrote: So could you guys tell who actualy was the best foreigner ever in bw? Leg,Grrr,Testie? And who had the most potential to be the best foreigner ever if he went to korea and trained?
some of the people in question (such as Naz, Testie) are arguing on the topic as well as others who know what they are talking about (like Drone).
this quote from fisheye might also be interesting concerning Slayer:
On July 11 2008 00:31 FiSheYe wrote: Hey there, I stopped reading after page 7 but I just wanted to throw in a little. To me Slayer was always the best. When I started Starcraft he used to be my idol and when I played with him he opened my eyes for new strategies and creativity. Not only do I have the same name but I also think he has somewhat an very similar approach. Unfortunately I think he has more talent than I do, be it Starcraft or Poker. He was never the person to play the most but he was always one of the great inventors in strategies within Starcraft. He used Strategies long before Replays were available and years later people copied his style. I think due to the long hours I put in Starcraft I was able to spot real talent in a very accurate fashion. I once played Gamei vs Iloveoov when he used to be a Zerg player and I thought to myself that he will be an upcoming star. I had that feeling maybe around 10 times total and all of them became world wide top players either within months or years after I discovered them. Nontheless Slayer struck me as a one in a million talent. Some people are just special and I don't know about his qualities besides Starcraft and Poker but when it comes to these games hands down, he is amazing. There is just a certain approach some people have, that makes them different, they see behind the mechanics and find their own way how to play the game. When there is no further information available, those people will be on top no matter how big the competition. Slayer is not the best in Starcraft anymore and not on top in Poker either, just because there are people working / playing much more but nevertheless when you will give him a new game and time he will definitely be on top of it, just because he has the creativity and right mindset to succeed. I dunno if this is private but the I met him last year in Monte Carlo for the European Poker Tour Finals and he won big 7figurish and is well set for life, furtheremore I heard his GF is pregnant so he might be a father by now.
HoD? on US West? Man I tried out for that team and got in... for about a week. It was around the time when they had their sub-division SloW I believe? Haha I ended up just joining ]KoH[ and l187l and chilling there for the longest. Awesome read.
Who doesn't remember them if they've been around the block.
However, [pG] and ToT)( wasn't much of a rivalry at all man. I mean we're talking about totally different eras at the same time. Perhaps you meant popularity. We had a much bigger rivalry with them before the turn of the decade.
On May 23 2012 04:04 SK.Testie wrote: I am undefeated against Nazgul. 9-0.
That's not really a big feat. Nazgul was good a long long time ago. Lots of people have been beating his protoss by 03-04 Nick especially if it was PvP.
On May 22 2012 16:04 DanceCommander wrote: i only started getting into BW around 07-08 but im still stoked i remember most of this ^^ when you mentioned mistrzzz i suddenly remembered that crazy polish player and how he used to scream LEGEND in his vods lol he was one of my favorites
MIStrZZZ truly was epic. Just look at this picture, just look! It says everything, lol.
On May 23 2012 04:33 StarStruck wrote: Who doesn't remember them if they've been around the block.
However, [pG] and ToT)( wasn't much of a rivalry at all man. I mean we're talking about totally different eras at the same time. Perhaps you meant popularity. We had a much bigger rivalry with them before the turn of the decade.
this was around the time tot was bought by pg, in the months previous to that there was alot of discussion on who the better team was and they played against each other in alot of team leagues
On May 23 2012 00:21 iwearcapes wrote: no love for JF TT1?
did you know JF beat draco in an epic 2-0 come back 3-0 or it might be more games. but you get the point!
i know i missed a shitload of stuff but it would have took me 10 years if i wanted to talk about everything : D, thats why we need a history book or something
SC VANILLA/BW/TL HISTORY THREAD GOGOGOOOOO, we cant forget about our past tt
Maybe making a new account should require passing some kind of entry exam about all the major happenings in SC, BW and SC2 so far .
On May 23 2012 04:33 StarStruck wrote: Who doesn't remember them if they've been around the block.
However, [pG] and ToT)( wasn't much of a rivalry at all man. I mean we're talking about totally different eras at the same time. Perhaps you meant popularity. We had a much bigger rivalry with them before the turn of the decade.
this was around the time tot was bought by pg, in the months previous to that there was alot of discussion on who the better team was and they played against each other in alot of team leagues
That's the only thing that really happened man. Is that fact ToT and pG merged. There wasn't any real rivalry. The only thing people would argue constantly about was what was the better team and to be frank, there were a lot of other teams that could go toe to toe with ToT any day of the week.
By the time that happened the [pG] roster was antiquated. -_-
Man TT1 you brought back so many memories! I'm 32 myself and have been playing since vanilla sc launch. I remember hanging out in channel clan -x17 all day long! I was HaVoC~LiZaRD and DaZeD~HaVoC. I remember playing against people like {88}Testie and {88}incontrol even back when we were just goofing around and learning the game. I do miss those times! I remember seeing X'ds~Grrr..... and Zelius always at the top of ladder. And wishing so bad I was a member of X'ds~. Those were the good old days and I really miss them....
Wow check it out, that SS was from 2001! Back when B.net ladder was still viable.
For some reason I thought that this was an old blog because I recall reading something similar before. Thanks, TT1, 5/5!
A surprising amount of stuff sounded familiar, probably thanks to old rekrul blogs. Unsurprisingly, since I didn't play bw then, only around half or less of the players are IDs I've heard of at all. Not enough publicity for the gosus of old
Was Blackman practicing against a custom-made AI a myth or was it true?
Hmmm, i looked for a more complimenting picture of sVEN. (I remember a pic - from The Gathering i think - where he looked like such a baws & player. He has fresh style in that pic) but i ended up finding an interview with him instead.
His top 5 foreigner picks: <[GG8]sVEN@aBs> Slayer <[GG8]sVEN@aBs> ntt, when he doesnt do stupid shit just to be arrogant <[GG8]sVEN@aBs> grrr... i guess, smuft, dunno bout the last <[GG8]sVEN@aBs> lots of even players there too
And also on why korea became so focused at BW. Along with the regular answers he dropped this knowledgebomb: <[GG8]sVEN@aBs> back in the beginning, quake 2 was benned, so gamers mostly plays rts, and SC is SC is imo the best rts game.
Personally i never knew that. Full interview Unfortunately i couldnt find any more.
The best times during BW was Clanbase for me and the WGT Nation Wars (when everyone was really active).
I'll never forget the first two WCGs I went too as well in 03 and 04. It was great to play your friends online but even better to meet and play with them IRL.
And for the Aussies who are old enough to remember, playing games on the Aus-1 server was great too.
Oh, and the always dysfunctional Team USA. The selection dramas for them were always hilarious (I think ilnp to this day would say 1 hatch lurkers is the best way to play ZvT).
On May 23 2012 07:23 zulu_nation8 wrote: ban everyone who doesnt remember everything TT1 posted
No, because someday we'll be gone and they'll be the future people making threads talking about how times were now.
Great post. This seriously brought me back to so many memories. I don't remember all the super early things, because when I first started playing BW, I was just a little scrub hanging out in x17 and OD.. I'm only 22, but it's crazy to think how much of an influence this damn game has had on my life since I started playing when I was 12 and I can honestly say it's the reason I'm living in Seoul now.. even though I don't follow SC too much anymore. One of my greatest memories is playing ToT)TreK(pL and getting nuke rushed and just being on Europe with WGT overall.. but fuck I'm just rambling on about stupid shit.
On May 23 2012 04:33 StarStruck wrote: Who doesn't remember them if they've been around the block.
However, [pG] and ToT)( wasn't much of a rivalry at all man. I mean we're talking about totally different eras at the same time. Perhaps you meant popularity. We had a much bigger rivalry with them before the turn of the decade.
this was around the time tot was bought by pg, in the months previous to that there was alot of discussion on who the better team was and they played against each other in alot of team leagues
The time you talk about was already the downtime of [pG] and not anymore what it was ment to be, sponsoring was gone and players left for Poker :D.
I was on and off with starcraft cuz I didn't know anyone else that liked it when I moved to the Philippines but I definitely remember a whole lot of this stuff :D Limiting it to TL, I can't believe I've already been on this site for so long! haha, joined so long ago I actually forgot my password for about... 5 years P TL battle reports are what sucked me in )
... while being very involved in the gaming world, he finished school with the best possible score in Germany, went on to study at Oxford, finished his bachelor's (math + economics), and afterwards founded one of the most successful poker related sites worldwide aka www.pokerstrategy.com (which sponsored TSL1).
Stuff like this is just plain awesome. Also great blog, i'm kinda upset with myself for not knowing about SC back then, instead I begun to play WoW. All stories i've read or heard about BW are always interesting. As late as of yesterday I was watching Day[9]'s episode 100 for like the 6th time.
I did know most of that stuff. Makes me feel proud.
I once played a guy who said he was Grrrr. I tabbed out after the game and didn't see him whispering that he wanted me to try out for his clan, and when I came back in, he was logged out, never to appear online again. Probably a fake-nick, but you have to wonder...
I also used to take part in the tournaments arranged by Gamingeye (back then they were starcraftse). I got to play Delicato and got so completely fucking crushed I was convinced he hacked, but there were no replays back then xD
edit: Oh yeah, and I dreamt there was a fucking bear in my house and me and my siblings were trying to escape. I fear nothing like I fear bears. Woke up with a headache.
Never played Brood War at all, but I played Pillars numerous times on CnCGenerals, and he was just waaaaaay too good for anyone on that game I imagine he was super good at BW.
Damn, that took me way back....before the days of SC, when War2 was the RTS of choice and Kali was where the top gamers played. Back before Mogkupo was part of the IN Clan...when a group of newbs that hung out on Katan's Lair joined forces to become the Pondering Peons. Yes we were the team everyone loved to beat and Mog was our fearless leader until he defected to join the IN Clan
But did you know? That B.net and other ladders would probably not exist today if it were not for Case's Ladder? Yes, before B.net, the only legitimate ladder around was Case's Ladder. It was where guys like Agent911, Tillerman, Maven, Mogkupo, INcinerate (the entire IN Clan for that matter), MekLarian (the father of build orders and a micro genius - his sapper play was years ahead of its time) all became big names.
Did you know? that team play was much more popular back then, with 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 matches occurring with about the same regularity as 1v1's. Team matches were how talent was discovered mostly because there were no replays back then. Teams like the IN Clan, the Agents of Death (@AD), Sons of Shagrat, and even the Pondering Peons (plus tons of others I've left out) fought for dominance in the team ladders just as vigorously as we did on the 1v1 ladders.
Did you know? I have a printout from an old dot matrix printer of the first ever documented build orders in war2, done by MekLarian where he also divulges his secrets to sapper micro. To my knowledge there are only 2 known copies in existence, Hoping one day to be able to donate it to the eSports Hall of Fame.
Makes me want to fire up war2 again and see if Kali is still alive
on that note, first time i met u was during a clan war - it was on Rush Hour. PvT, you were still a random player then. i think you got really good shortly afterwards.
On May 23 2012 04:33 StarStruck wrote: Who doesn't remember them if they've been around the block.
However, [pG] and ToT)( wasn't much of a rivalry at all man. I mean we're talking about totally different eras at the same time. Perhaps you meant popularity. We had a much bigger rivalry with them before the turn of the decade.
this was around the time tot was bought by pg, in the months previous to that there was alot of discussion on who the better team was and they played against each other in alot of team leagues
The time you talk about was already the downtime of [pG] and not anymore what it was ment to be, sponsoring was gone and players left for Poker :D.
Indeed <3.
I mean heck, a lot of your players were playing for other teams by then including Eri. -_-
On May 23 2012 14:06 UnceL wrote: Draco and Blackman, two legends and heroes of my early brood war history
Draco could have made it. It's a shame he took his ball and went home.
So many memories. Best read I have had in quite some time. Got the chills from reading about all this after all this years! I used to be such a big fan of Sven, Slayer and SilentControl and of course Eriador. Thanks a lot for sharing, TT1!
god this brought back memories. I obviously don't go as far back as tt1, but man i remember a lot of these moments, and god, those photos at the end. OMG.
Do you remember the time when a lot of korean pro gamers (TheMarine, NaDa, Yellow, XellOs, etc.) suddenly started destroying the WGTour ladder on smurf accounts? I remember NaDa having a sick record with like 95% win ratio. Also one foreign protoss player won a lot of PvTs vs. these guys. :D
The best thing was that they had to upload their replays to get ladder points, I remember watching almost all of those games.
Liquid´drone has some pretty epic stories somewhere in the TL vault about the early, early days of bw, should all check them out. I remember about half of what has been mentioned but almost all of the players: suffered from ladder fear before it was invented and never really played, hence i could only follow the drama at TL and such places. Mondragon was/is my favorite player, and his epic comeback in TSL 2 was the best i´ve ever experienced in BW. Great post TT1, thanks alot!
This blog is absolutely bad ass. Truly a shining example as to why Starcraft has gone the distance. The community is just too awesome. I love hearing tales of the BW glory days, and all the talented players that were involved. GIVE ME MORE!!!
I have a confession to make: Most of the old players mentioned in your Blog i use for "fantasy teams" :$ right down to TLPD them, put them in certain race lines and all that crap.
The embarrassing part is that i do it often, sometimes daily -,-' I just can't help it. I fucking miss all the iconic players that didn't switch to SC2
This Blog is made of so much win, thanks TT1, your the best <3
It's weird how the history of the SC community gives that sense of accelerated time somehow, as if the shit you're talking about would have happened over a period of like 50 years or something. Not ~14 years.
I remember discovering the whole scene through CholeraSC's VODs on Youtube in late 2009, then TL, etc., and for every new thing I learned about the past and how everything had build up and all the trends that had come and gone etc., it was like FUCK, where have I been all these years?? It was like reading LotR and then discovering OH there's Bilbo as well, and then OMG the Silmarillion and all the fucking backstory and languages of Middle Earth and whatnot... That what's happening now is just the tip of a giant fucking iceberg.
Actually I wish someone would just make a 2h feature film documentary about the whole thing. There's just so much stuff.
I rarely post. I just want to say thank you great post. I knew mosf of them from war2, kali, and some laddeer site. The community was a lot smaller but alot more fun. thanks
On May 23 2012 04:04 SK.Testie wrote: I am undefeated against Nazgul. 9-0.
That's not really a big feat. Nazgul was good a long long time ago. Lots of people have been beating his protoss by 03-04 Nick especially if it was PvP.
On May 22 2012 16:04 DanceCommander wrote: i only started getting into BW around 07-08 but im still stoked i remember most of this ^^ when you mentioned mistrzzz i suddenly remembered that crazy polish player and how he used to scream LEGEND in his vods lol he was one of my favorites
MIStrZZZ truly was epic. Just look at this picture, just look! It says everything, lol.
LOL
I REMEMBER THIS CLOWN.
As funny as he is. The guy could play.
Oh yeah, he was a really good player. But like...not as good as he thought he was.
Well this blog certainly brought back some memories, thanks TT1. PS I don't suppose you remember, but you (and maybe a few other Canadians) were in a chat channel on the Europe server (circa 2006, for a Canada vs Romania clanwar, can't really remember the details, it was on gosugamers I think) and man did we flame the shit out of each other. Haha, good times
Wow, brings back some ooooooold memories... I remember the last time i actively followed SC/BW there were some forum threads about Korn joining pg or something along those lines... yup, it's been a while For some reason i stopped playing BW and reading BW-related forums around that time, probably because reallife caught up to me.
On May 23 2012 00:54 McFeser wrote: So did anyone on this site ever beat Nazgul?
I am 1-1 vs Nazgul in Brood War and I am C- at best.
The game I won was ZvP, I went 9 pool and then sent out a drone to fake 12hatch as his probe was coming in, he tried to block my "12 hatch" and went nexus first and died to lings.
I will never ever play him again, .500 winning percentage record forever.
On May 23 2012 00:54 McFeser wrote: So did anyone on this site ever beat Nazgul?
I am 1-1 vs Nazgul in Brood War and I am C- at best.
The game I won was ZvP, I went 9 pool and then sent out a drone to fake 12hatch as his probe was coming in, he tried to block my "12 hatch" and went nexus first and died to lings.
I will never ever play him again, .500 winning percentage record forever.
That's the best way to do it haha. Still, props for winning in the first place!
On May 23 2012 23:03 silverhand wrote: Did you know? that team play was much more popular back then, with 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 matches occurring with about the same regularity as 1v1's. Team matches were how talent was discovered mostly because there were no replays back then. Teams like the IN Clan, the Agents of Death (@AD), Sons of Shagrat, and even the Pondering Peons (plus tons of others I've left out) fought for dominance in the team ladders just as vigorously as we did on the 1v1 ladders.
Yeah, one thing weird about the first year or two of SC on kali is how common the team ladder was. 1v1 ladder was when none of your teamates were on, or you couldn't get a game.
Also, it was really uncommon to be a one race exclusive specialist. Players would vary their race choice by matchup, map, opponent, mood, balance opinion, whatever.
It's posts like these that make me feel terrible. I had never heard of starcraft at all until a certain Husky parody about something called a "baneling" made its way onto Halolz, a website I frequent. So many years of heartfelt friendships and bonding and adventures and community and I missed ALL OF IT. Why can't stuff like this happen in modern day? Or maybe it has, and in the early years of SC3 we'll nudge shoulders and say "Hey, remember Kiwikaki vs. Stephano on Shattered?".
On May 25 2012 12:27 ShrieK wrote: The Testie vs Incontrol video is good, but the MBS before MBS video is probably the funniest thing in the last 5 years of the SC scene.
On May 24 2012 04:58 iNviSible.yunO wrote: loving this shit fisheye deserves his own paragraph
i wanted to talk about him but i didnt know wat to say =/
2nd Place at WCG2003. Generally protoss player but sometimes he played some of the games by picking his race depending on the match up and map. Lost in the finals 1-2 and lost kinda coz of choosing wrong BO. I remember at his interview him saying that with a better BO he could have won. Unique style player. One of the best German players of all time, together with Mondragon and some others. FiSheYe<3
Best memories for me are from watching wcg live (esp androide run where he lost to foru), replays from big tourneys + leaked semipro/pro reps, watching my bro play in early days on some crazy servers (woolala or w/e and gamei), watched him play vs yan and whitera and hireling etc. Then came joining clans, clanwars, talk trash and play in clan x17 all day, grind on iccup early season trying to play some pro, talk strategy and obs good koreans on west. I think it ruined some of my life, around 4 years of nonstop playing and few more of being a casual, but on the other hand it gave me too many fond memories.
Thanks a lot TT1! This is so awesome. Been a fan since your performance in super tournament and I remembered when you raped me and my teamates in a 4 v4 . you cannon rushed then went straight into phoenix with mass cloaked banshees. Good stuff sit. :D
Rush)_CosMo winning WCG Japan and being awarded a japenese blog website. This is where most people got their top "gosu" replays
Rush)_SeasoN- being part of Pimpest Plays 2002
PGtour held weekly or daily tournaments in USEast before they launched their own private server.
People would inflate their Game-i scores. People who got legit ranks of over 1800 in this korean dominated server included yOsh, ntt and others.
Gamei spawned a legendary replay between Boxer and [joypop]terran ([joypop]zodiac).
There was a team called [GG##], members included Slayer, NTT, Elky, sVEN and others. This team also started the trend of clan names including numbers.
Ygosu was once the source of 99% of pro/amateur and good replays.
WGTour was one of the first ladder systems created. It consisted of a few channels named after WGTour ruled by a bot. Players would whisper the bot and start the game, and later upload a replay on their website confirming their win/loss.
WGTour tried to perpetually rise from its grave over and over, unsuccessfully.
Teamliquid had a sort of feud with a website called broodwar.net (I think), and the owner was I believe a korean female. Mensrea really hated her and wrote some pretty heavy stuff.
People still don't know who mensrea really is.
ZeloTITO and Suker were perhaps the best known spanish players in all of Broodwar.
Odin, ReasoN and HellGhost are probably the most recognizable Brazilian Players.
ReasoN was caught cheating during one of the TS.
Satanik was an incredibly interesting player and creative Zerg Players. He was in both [pG] and Teamliquid.
Satanik and Xiaozi once played a ZvZ in rushour that was over an hour long and included the use of ALL zerg units.
XD'S~ was mainly a canadian player clan. While most people will only remember Grrr.. other members were notable as well. (Fire, Kiwi)
Kiwi was one of the best foreigners to play broodwar. He was so good, he beat Nazgul in one of the Teamliquid invitational tournaments.
Spunky was a former professional protoss players from Korea. He has been one of the most active koreans in the foreigner scene, making an old old team with many old and recognizable names. The team was called )_oC. He later went on to found the SCII pro team oGs.
Ovvi was a great player. No one remembers Ovvi (at least most people don't). He was in ToT.
I was 9 years old when I first saw Boxer play with eyes wide open. I'm 23 now.
It's funny because even though I would say I was always more invested in the Korean scene, reading all the names of foreigners and knowing who 90% of them are makes me really nostalgic.
pG + ToT rivalries, Jinro = FrozenArbiter, nation wars, russian terrans, a shit ton of talented germans like Gentleman, Schnibl0r, fisheye, breakdown, asmodey, the overwhelming talent of froz, meeting assem irl at a lan, elky's crazy hair, rekrul as a progamer, tsunami's sc guides.
Amazing... I started watching pro BW games in February 2010 and finally decided to start playing BW on Iccup in April 2010. So I don't know all the oldschool foreigners you mentioned, but I recognize a good chunk of them and their accomplishments. Makes me feel like I was part of something special, even if it was only for 3 or 4 months before SC2. Thanks so much for this, bringing back the old days and making people feel nostalgic.
wow, fucking amazing. i love you now, TT1. you got almost every single name i wanted to hear, and im glad IN got some love
as for some more about Kali, i remember using it for C&C RA and then for SC. there was a guy named general~khalsa that got grr and pillars (and everlast? maybe some others?) to go over to KR and that was near the last time the foreigners had an edge.
Good times to reminisce TT1, brings back some magic, I remember almost all of the players you've mentioned, most notably for me were Maynard, Testie (famous for his maphacking lol), NTT, agent911, rekrul, sven, Nazgul, slayer, Elky, Grrr, shaman, mondragon, smuft, mistrzzz (amazing talent I feel underappreciated), jester, eriador (Liquid`drone) and Kiwi!! Back then I was constantly being owned by local players such nazgul, kaaz, raszi, ret and twisted so would I just go to server Asia. I kind of miss some of the names from this server: [NC], [30D.O.M], [yG], Eros_, [Inca], NsP, [z-zone], and some realy old school players D22-soso, jolly, IN-BOB etc :D
I especially appreciate some of these talents because back then it also took quite some hanging around in channels, scavenging forums and being on irc constantly to keep up with the developments of the game. Battlereports FTW
I love this blog. It really takes me back. I was never really a hardcore player, but back in the day you would see all the players you mentioned around just like anyone else. Back when the community was super close knit and you could almost get a game with anyone. I also remember channel Rekrul on west and him just banning people from the channel just for not liking their names, haha.
thx for sharing memories! someone should interview all the early guys of sc (even before bw) and publish tons of good old memories like that! (either online, in a documentary or as a book).
As far as I remember, Boxer won this Bo5 against Nazgul. Or at least he won two games.
In one of them he did a brilliant two fact startegy by proxying one of them. Nazgul was fighting what he thought was a FD and found himself with 6 speed vultures coming out of the blue in his base, having mined the entire path from his army to his nat.
The other one was a perfect marines and medic timing push. Nazgul played great in this serie, but was doing the same robo opening every time. Boxer extraordinary ability to adapt was demonstrated int his game: Nazgul got hit by a contrrol group of stimmed marines and medic just before he could complete his reaver.
On May 29 2012 18:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: As far as I remember, Boxer won this Bo5 against Nazgul. Or at least he won two games.
In one of them he did a brilliant two fact startegy by proxying one of them. Nazgul was fighting what he thought was a FD and found himself with 6 speed vultures coming out of the blue in his base, having mined the entire path from his army to his nat.
The other one was a perfect marines and medic timing push. Nazgul played great in this serie, but was doing the same robo opening every time. Boxer extraordinary ability to adapt was demonstrated int his game: Nazgul got hit by a contrrol group of stimmed marines and medic just before he could complete his reaver.
On May 29 2012 18:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: As far as I remember, Boxer won this Bo5 against Nazgul. Or at least he won two games.
In one of them he did a brilliant two fact startegy by proxying one of them. Nazgul was fighting what he thought was a FD and found himself with 6 speed vultures coming out of the blue in his base, having mined the entire path from his army to his nat.
The other one was a perfect marines and medic timing push. Nazgul played great in this serie, but was doing the same robo opening every time. Boxer extraordinary ability to adapt was demonstrated int his game: Nazgul got hit by a contrrol group of stimmed marines and medic just before he could complete his reaver.
On May 29 2012 18:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: As far as I remember, Boxer won this Bo5 against Nazgul. Or at least he won two games.
In one of them he did a brilliant two fact startegy by proxying one of them. Nazgul was fighting what he thought was a FD and found himself with 6 speed vultures coming out of the blue in his base, having mined the entire path from his army to his nat.
The other one was a perfect marines and medic timing push. Nazgul played great in this serie, but was doing the same robo opening every time. Boxer extraordinary ability to adapt was demonstrated int his game: Nazgul got hit by a contrrol group of stimmed marines and medic just before he could complete his reaver.
Good times.
3-2 for boxer if i remember correctly
i have those reps
actually i have like a LOT old school reps, don't know if they are in TL so ill upload those games maybe someone want to watch them
Awesome blog. I didn't know much stuff before 2004. Was stupid of me to play WC3 for like a year or so before come back to SC . GL @ Poker TT1 and stop play D3
This is CANNONBALLS who was with DuDey, Maven, Agent911, Zileas, GFraizer.. hung out in Kali. I wasn't the best at the games but I loved making the websites. I miss this time and remember it fondly. Hope all are well.
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Thanks
That will become part of SC2 lore no doubt!
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P TL battle reports are what sucked me in 
