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[-Bluewolf-]

United States609 Posts

January 14 2011 07:03 GMT

EDIT:
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Poll: Which game do you want to see next (final edition):

vs Day[9] (15)

34%

Vs Froz (11)

25%

vs Rekrul (7)

16%

vs Tasteless (7)

16%

vs [X]ljt and [X]StriderHiryu (2v2) (4)

9%

Vs Whear (0)

0%

Vs Pills (Mr.Turtle) (0)

0%

vs {PH}Jester and Sindread (2v2) (0)

0%

44 total votes

Your vote: Which game do you want to see next (final edition):

(Vote): Vs Froz
(Vote): Vs Whear
(Vote): Vs Pills (Mr.Turtle)
(Vote): vs {PH}Jester and Sindread (2v2)
(Vote): vs Day[9]
(Vote): vs Rekrul
(Vote): vs Tasteless
(Vote): vs [X]ljt and [X]StriderHiryu (2v2)

Poll: Which game do you want to see next?

Rekrul vs Wizard (10)

37%

Tasteless vs Bluewolf (7)

26%

Froz vs Wizard (4)

15%

Testie vs Wizard (3)

11%

Day[9] vs Wizard (2)

7%

Dreame vs Wizard (1)

4%

FearFact vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

{PH}Jester vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Whear vs Wizard (0)

0%

ilnp vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Sindread vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Tsunami vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

27 total votes

Your vote: Which game do you want to see next?

(Vote): Tasteless vs Bluewolf
(Vote): FearFact vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Rekrul vs Wizard
(Vote): {PH}Jester vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Dreame vs Wizard
(Vote): Testie vs Wizard
(Vote): Whear vs Wizard
(Vote): ilnp vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Sindread vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Day[9] vs Wizard
(Vote): Tsunami vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Froz vs Wizard

Poll: Which game do you want to see next?

Liquid'Nazgul Vs Wizard (8)

44%

Day[9] vs Wizard (5)

28%

Yosh vs Wizard (2)

11%

Froz vs Wizard (2)

11%

Assem vs Bluewolf (1)

6%

ilnp vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

SuperCondomUser vs Wizard (0)

0%

{PH}Jester vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Oem)Cyrax vs Wizard (0)

0%

Whear vs Wizard (0)

0%

Pills (Mr.Turtle) vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Pillars vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Which game do you want to see next?

(Vote): Liquid'Nazgul Vs Wizard
(Vote): ilnp vs Bluewolf
(Vote): SuperCondomUser vs Wizard
(Vote): {PH}Jester vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Oem)Cyrax vs Wizard
(Vote): Day[9] vs Wizard
(Vote): Whear vs Wizard
(Vote): Pills (Mr.Turtle) vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Yosh vs Wizard
(Vote): Assem vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Pillars vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Froz vs Wizard

Poll: 2v2 edition poll! Bluewolf and Wizard vs:

{PH}Jester and Sindread (Recon2000 LAN,Dire Straits) (5)

50%

[X]ljt and [X]StriderHiryu (Practice, Lost Temple) (3)

30%

Aquanda-X and Recon (Recon2000 LAN, Winter Conquest) (1)

10%

WickedTricks and IMMINENTVICTORY (Recon2000 LAN,Lost Temple) (1)

10%

Bashkir and Incinerator (Recon2000 LAN,Lost Temple) (0)

0%

[GL1]ReD and [GL1]Spikes (Recon2000 LAN,Rivalry) (0)

0%

10 total votes

Your vote: 2v2 edition poll! Bluewolf and Wizard vs:

(Vote): Aquanda-X and Recon (Recon2000 LAN, Winter Conquest)
(Vote): {PH}Jester and Sindread (Recon2000 LAN,Dire Straits)
(Vote): Bashkir and Incinerator (Recon2000 LAN,Lost Temple)
(Vote): [GL1]ReD and [GL1]Spikes (Recon2000 LAN,Rivalry)
(Vote): WickedTricks and IMMINENTVICTORY (Recon2000 LAN,Lost Temple)
(Vote): [X]ljt and [X]StriderHiryu (Practice, Lost Temple)

Poll: Which game do you want to see next?

Tasteless vs Bluewolf (10)

48%

Rekrul vs Wizard (4)

19%

Froz vs Bluewolf (2)

10%

Day[9] vs Bluewolf (2)

10%

Yosh vs Wizard (2)

10%

Whear vs Wizard (1)

5%

SuperCondomUser vs Wizard (0)

0%

Oem)Cyrax vs Wizard (0)

0%

Pills (Mr.Turtle) vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

NewbieMcNasty vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Liquid.Crystal vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

MarshallFaulk vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

21 total votes

Your vote: Which game do you want to see next?

(Vote): Froz vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Rekrul vs Wizard
(Vote): SuperCondomUser vs Wizard
(Vote): Tasteless vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Oem)Cyrax vs Wizard
(Vote): Day[9] vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Whear vs Wizard
(Vote): Pills (Mr.Turtle) vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Yosh vs Wizard
(Vote): NewbieMcNasty vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Liquid.Crystal vs Bluewolf
(Vote): MarshallFaulk vs Bluewolf

Poll: Which game do you want to see next?

Elky vs Wizard (9)

36%

Tasteless vs Bluewolf (5)

20%

Rekrul vs Bluewolf (4)

16%

Day[9] vs Wizard (4)

16%

Froz vs Wizard (2)

8%

Pillars vs Bluewolf (1)

4%

Whear vs Wizard (0)

0%

Tsunami vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Yosh vs Wizard (0)

0%

Sindread vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Ret vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Assem vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

25 total votes

Your vote: Which game do you want to see next?

(Vote): Froz vs Wizard
(Vote): Rekrul vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Elky vs Wizard
(Vote): Tasteless vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Day[9] vs Wizard
(Vote): Pillars vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Whear vs Wizard
(Vote): Tsunami vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Yosh vs Wizard
(Vote): Sindread vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Ret vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Assem vs Bluewolf

Poll: Which game do you want to see next?

Day[9] vs Bluewolf (15)

58%

Elky vs Wizard (5)

19%

Liquid'Ret vs Bluewolf (3)

12%

Froz vs Bluewolf (2)

8%

TeStEr..[Final] vs Bluewolf (1)

4%

Liquid'Nazgul Vs Wizard (0)

0%

{PH}Jester vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Oem)Cyrax vs Wizard (0)

0%

Whear vs Wizard (0)

0%

Pills (Mr.Turtle) vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Sindread vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

Tasteless vs Bluewolf (0)

0%

26 total votes

Your vote: Which game do you want to see next?

(Vote): Liquid'Nazgul Vs Wizard
(Vote): Liquid'Ret vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Elky vs Wizard
(Vote): {PH}Jester vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Oem)Cyrax vs Wizard
(Vote): Day[9] vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Whear vs Wizard
(Vote): Pills (Mr.Turtle) vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Sindread vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Tasteless vs Bluewolf
(Vote): TeStEr..[Final] vs Bluewolf
(Vote): Froz vs Bluewolf

I recently found an old CD containing 994 replays from 2001 to 2002 that I had originally created to watch on the flight to the CompUSA MillionMan LAN event. As these are among the earliest possible replays from non-Korean competitive SC events, I figured others might be interested in taking a look at how things were different "back in the day" of a developing international scene. I'll also try to add some backstory and information on the games, but as it has been 8+ years, my memory will likely be foggy at best. :p

The event is currently scheduled to take place at:
Monday, Jan 17 8:15pm GMT (GMT+00:00) and will likely last 1-3 hours (depending on how things go).

These games are from various events such as:

* KBK
* Recon2000
* Mr.FixItOnline WCG USA qualifier
* CompUSA's first $10,000 online tournament
* etc.

It includes either myself (average player) or my younger brother (know as Wizard, WCG USA 2002 second place, CompUSA 10K 4th place, etc) against various non-Korean top names such as:

* Rekrul
* Elky
* Whear
* Liquid'Corbalt
* Tasteless (probably also Day[9] as I think he was SleepingDrone in CUSA Online?)
* Tsunami
* {PH}jeSter
* Froz
* etc

There are a few drawbacks currently however. The first is that I don't have a verified stream anywhere, so I will currently be limited to 50 viewers unless someone wants to lend me theirs. The second is that currently I am unable to change my scroll speed in SC:BW (it gives a memory access exception error) despite everything else working, so it may be a bit jerky if I can't resolve that issue.

As I remember the series of myself vs Liquid'Corbalt (RO64 in CUSA $10k online) the best, I'll likely start with that series. For the rest, I'll likely post polls while the event is going on to determine which player(s) people want to see in their 2001 to 2002 form. I'll also see if I can export a semi-full list of players later so that people can let me know if I missed someone's smurf from that time.

Not sure how interested people will be in this (if any at all), so figured I'd post this in blogs to start. If there is significant interest, mods can feel free to move this to BW General. Thanks.

0mgVitaminE

United States1278 Posts

January 14 2011 07:06 GMT

wow, nice find ^_^

Any chance we could get a huge pack with them? I won't be able to watch live

BrodiaQ

United States892 Posts

January 14 2011 07:20 GMT

This sounds really cool and interesting. I'l definitely try to check this out!

endy

Switzerland8970 Posts

January 14 2011 07:29 GMT

wow, that's invaluable !
I just saw a thread about someone who wants to keep every single BW replay, you should contact him : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184123
Could you upload it ? I don't know if I'd like to watch a stream of these replays as I love to move on the minimap by myself. Of course if you can add some background information and context, that will make it definitely worth watching !

BlackMesa

Kenya338 Posts

January 14 2011 07:31 GMT

damn soon bw replays will be treated better than money, with people shelling out fortunes just to get a glimpse of what once was.

InToTheWannaB

United States4770 Posts

January 14 2011 07:54 GMT

sounds awesome bluewolf! The Tsunami replays should be cool. He was the first zerg i ever saw that used defilers back then.

Falling

Canada11466 Posts

January 14 2011 10:34 GMT

This is pretty cool- I'd like to see some old Tasteless or Day9 games.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

January 14 2011 10:44 GMT

Hey man, this is too cool for a non-verified stream. If you cant get it verified, I ll lend you mine, or you could look into using own3d.tv which doesnt need verification (I THINK!).

Starshaped

Sweden575 Posts

January 14 2011 10:57 GMT

Aren't old BW replays buggy/unstable? Still, would be nice if you could upload the pack. And what version of BW would this be?

GHOSTCLAW

United States17042 Posts

January 14 2011 11:41 GMT

#10

Cast them and toss them on youtube ^^

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

January 14 2011 12:44 GMT

#11

Is there any chance you could upload all of them later on Megaupload or some such? I should be there to watch, unless something comes up. This is really cool, thanks

pullarius1

United States523 Posts

January 14 2011 15:12 GMT

#12

This is like the StarCraft library of Alexandria.

bitter[KALT]

United States138 Posts

January 14 2011 15:19 GMT

#13

I would be interested as well. Though I doubt that you would get a high viewer number with this kind of show...

Anyway, you made sure that these replays are working correctly, right?

Chef

10810 Posts

January 14 2011 15:35 GMT

#14

Yay Tsunami! Upload the replays when you're done your stream please :D I will try to catch your stream if I can, but you've chosen Monday of all days T.T

[-Bluewolf-]

United States609 Posts

January 14 2011 17:01 GMT

#15

Just woke up, so I'll try to reply to various things here now:

On January 14 2011 16:06 0mgVitaminE wrote:
wow, nice find ^_^

Any chance we could get a huge pack with them? I won't be able to watch live

I'll look into uploading the pack eventually. Currently, it won't be of much use unless I relabel most of the replays (most are titled "me win vs <player><x>.rep" or "me lose vs <player><x>.rep", where X is the number of times we had played before). I know the conditions around the majority of games based on the players nicks involved along with the time period they were played in, but would need to update all the titles or at least organize them by event to be of much use to others. As for not watching it live, I'm sure it will be recorded to watch afterwards.

On January 14 2011 19:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Hey man, this is too cool for a non-verified stream. If you cant get it verified, I ll lend you mine, or you could look into using own3d.tv which doesnt need verification (I THINK!).

Also have 1 Private Message so far with an offer to share a stream to look into as well. Could also be possible to do a restream of my base stream as well, and just link to the restream, I would think? Either way, send me a PM if you are serious and we can discuss details.

On January 14 2011 19:57 Starshaped wrote:
Aren't old BW replays buggy/unstable? Still, would be nice if you could upload the pack. And what version of BW would this be?

These replays are 1.09 and 1.10 - a few test ones I've tried have worked so far in those old versions. Not sure how stable this whole experiment may be?

On January 15 2011 00:35 Chef wrote:
Yay Tsunami! Upload the replays when you're done your stream please :D I will try to catch your stream if I can, but you've chosen Monday of all days T.T

I chose Monday as it is a holiday for most in the US, and because it would not conflict with any other event. I also picked a time I figured would still be useful for most Europeans. :p

masterbreti

Korea (South)2711 Posts

January 14 2011 17:33 GMT

#16

bluewolf, would you mind jsut releasing the replays even though they are not catogeroized. i am trying to collect old replays to archive and i think these things would be gems to get. wether they are titled correctly or just random letters.

i am currently running Project replay (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184123) and in doing this, i have yet to auctally find many of you or your brothers replays. auctally many early replays have been lost over time due to links and webistes going dead. you're collection is a gem and i would hate to see it go away after the stream is over. anby replays you're willing to send would be amazing

[-Bluewolf-]

United States609 Posts

January 14 2011 20:20 GMT

#17

I sorted players by APM, and thought I'd list out some of the players I don't recognize just in case they were previous AKAs of known players. Here are a few (most are likely players who simply retired):

Likely from KBK:
[ReD]KANGNAMGu (Z) - July 21, 2001 game
[Ooops]LaVa (Z) - July 23, 2001 game
TeStEr..[Final] (T) - Sept 15, 2001 game
sin-chang-min (P) - August 11, 2001 game, seems to be the same person from: http://www.urisai.com/starcraft/battle/sf.html

From Mr. FixItOnline WCG USA Ladder qualifier:
Justin_Gercken (Z)

From $10k CompUSA online:
Blast.Sharp (T)
GG12-mockturtle (Z/T)
Mr.Turtles (Z/T) - may be the same as above despite a large APM gap between the akas, but whoever he is, was a Z/T race picker with good skill at the time.
InTro..[TnC] (Z/T)
FearFact (Z)
BlowToss (T)
AsianDragon (Z)

Unknown event, yet to determine (likely need to research background and think on them):
Nazgul (Z) - game on March 2002. Unlikely to be the Nazgul of today, I think, unless he used to play Z?

A few notable additions to the above upon a quick 2nd look of the games as well:
Oem)ret (Z) - game on March 2002. Confirmed to be ret by: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=16833&currentpage=8#160 .

Dreame (Z)
Sindread (Z)
NewbieMcNasty (T)
Yosh (T)
SuperCondomUser / Dudey(I think) (T)
Assem (T)
Testie (T)
MarshallFaulk (P)
Liquid.Crystal (T/P)