EPTThe reason why I'm calling out him specifically and not anybody else is because he's leading the charge once again. Others have also done character assassination of GH lately, but not anywhere near as consistently and strongly.
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
The reason why I'm calling out him specifically and not anybody else is because he's leading the charge once again. Others have also done character assassination of GH lately, but not anywhere near as consistently and strongly. | ||
KwarK
United States44353 Posts
He explains that he’s better than every other forum poster because he imagined a hypothetical in which he did something virtuous and we did something immoral. I explain to him that he’s wrong because actually when I imagined that same hypothetical then it was him who was the bad guy and I was the good guy. Then he shuts up for a week because there’s literally no effective counter to “I imagined you doing something bad, explain yourself!” It’s simply too stupid to beat. But after the week passes he can’t resist and so he does it again. He imagines a civil war and he imagines other forum posters choosing safety over nobility while he imagines himself saving the day. And then, incensed by their cowardice, he demands to know why others didn’t lay down their lives the way he did. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On October 05 2025 18:26 decafchicken wrote: Oh my god shut the fuck up nobody cares | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27459 Posts
Like, is decaf (atypically) losing it and telling someone to STFU really worse for the tenor than strawmanning with a smile, or politely having people engage with what you think should be, and then not reciprocating? I’m not singling anyone out with my prior point for the record. Just I think sometimes it’s generally shitty posting habits that drag threads down. As in many other contexts, sometimes the Persian who loses their temper gets all the opprobrium for being the one to crack when it’s been others ratcheting up the tension, but are civil-presenting in doing so. Bias alert - I do this all the time, so cannot be considered unbiased on this :p Re Mr Kwark I mean, I don’t think it’s super good mod behaviour. But on the flipside I don’t think the threads are big enough, active enough, nor moderation being particularly a contentious issue for that to matter much. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12559 Posts
On October 05 2025 15:40 Magic Powers wrote: It's a behavior that would lead to a ban for literally any other forum user, and completely rightfully so. Well this, at least, is not true, so in that way there's consistency | ||
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sebastiane
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
Note that I left out every forgiveable fringe case. The totality of antagonistic instigation by KwarK is much more prevalent than this. These are just the most obvious instances that everybody should be able to agree are out of line. I'll start with an example of a comment that I think is generally antagonistic, but not so out of line that I would feel like making a fuss about it. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5300#105989 So the above is an example of a fringe case like a few others that I chose to ignore. I find it antagonistic, but not wildly so. From me it gets a pass. But the below comments are very different. These are examples of KwarK being out of line. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5273#105459 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5286#105709 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5286#105712 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5294#105862 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5295#105888 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5296#105908 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5300#105996 The sad part is that I think we can all agree KwarK is capable of writing very high quality comments. He just very often chooses to post inflammatory, deliberately antagonistic, insulting, as well as rule breaking comments so much that it far overshadows his quality comments. I'll say it again. KwarK is not deserving of mod powers. Edit: I also only looked through his US and Palestine comments. Would bet there's plenty more in the other threads. | ||
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KwarK
United States44353 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10006 Posts
On October 08 2025 05:47 Magic Powers wrote: I'll post every comment by KwarK that A) breaks forum/thread rules since September 26 or B) is deliberately inflammatory (e.g. insult, personal attack, bad faith insinuation, and other antagonism). I could certainly go further back and find more. Note that I left out every forgiveable fringe case. The totality of antagonistic instigation by KwarK is much more prevalent than this. These are just the most obvious instances that everybody should be able to agree are out of line. I'll start with an example of a comment that I think is generally antagonistic, but not so out of line that I would feel like making a fuss about it. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5300#105989 So the above is an example of a fringe case like a few others that I chose to ignore. I find it antagonistic, but not wildly so. From me it gets a pass. But the below comments are very different. These are examples of KwarK being out of line. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5273#105459 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5286#105709 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5286#105712 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5294#105862 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5295#105888 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5296#105908 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5300#105996 The sad part is that I think we can all agree KwarK is capable of writing very high quality comments. He just very often chooses to post inflammatory, deliberately antagonistic, insulting, as well as rule breaking comments so much that it far overshadows his quality comments. I'll say it again. KwarK is not deserving of mod powers. Edit: I also only looked through his US and Palestine comments. Would bet there's plenty more in the other threads. Mostly what I get from these posts is the KwarK and GH have a long standing and fairly amusing relationship based on insults and genuinely despising each other's posts. Call it a feature of the forum, rather than a bug. Can you try doing like 2017 or something and dig out some of the funnier stuff next time? | ||
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KwarK
United States44353 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
See him arguing with his imagination below also ↓ + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2025 07:41 KwarK wrote: Eh, you’re just mad because when the Nazis took over you became an informant on your community whereas I became a freedom fighter and saved everyone. But it is what it is. Not everyone can be as noble as I’ve decided to imagine I will be. There will always be some who choose collaboration over virtue and I’ve decided to imagine you as one of those. Hopefully you can be inspired by me. | ||
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KwarK
United States44353 Posts
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Billyboy
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Generally I do not understand why people think they should get to be a dick and that no one should be mean back, if you throw shots be sure to be able to take em. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12559 Posts
On October 08 2025 08:21 Billyboy wrote: In this case he just responded in kind to someone who was making a non point just to be a dick to people he doesn't like/have wrong think in his opinion and KwarK was just responding in kind. I like Etisme I think he's funny | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2836 Posts
On October 08 2025 05:47 Magic Powers wrote: I'll post every comment by KwarK that A) breaks forum/thread rules since September 26 or B) is deliberately inflammatory (e.g. insult, personal attack, bad faith insinuation, and other antagonism). I could certainly go further back and find more. Note that I left out every forgiveable fringe case. The totality of antagonistic instigation by KwarK is much more prevalent than this. These are just the most obvious instances that everybody should be able to agree are out of line. I'll start with an example of a comment that I think is generally antagonistic, but not so out of line that I would feel like making a fuss about it. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5300#105989 So the above is an example of a fringe case like a few others that I chose to ignore. I find it antagonistic, but not wildly so. From me it gets a pass. But the below comments are very different. These are examples of KwarK being out of line. https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5273#105459 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5286#105709 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5286#105712 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5294#105862 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5295#105888 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5296#105908 https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5300#105996 The sad part is that I think we can all agree KwarK is capable of writing very high quality comments. He just very often chooses to post inflammatory, deliberately antagonistic, insulting, as well as rule breaking comments so much that it far overshadows his quality comments. I'll say it again. KwarK is not deserving of mod powers. Edit: I also only looked through his US and Palestine comments. Would bet there's plenty more in the other threads. I really don't think it matters. Everyone (for the most part) knows who Kwark is and knows he's a shit to pretty much anyone, if given the opportunity. I used to think he's on a pedestal because he's a mod, but that actually isn't the case as best I can tell. Other than something of a personal victory, would anything change if Kwark's modship was removed? I truly don't believe so. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On October 08 2025 11:04 Fleetfeet wrote: I really don't think it matters. Everyone (for the most part) knows who Kwark is and knows he's a shit to pretty much anyone, if given the opportunity. I used to think he's on a pedestal because he's a mod, but that actually isn't the case as best I can tell. Other than something of a personal victory, would anything change if Kwark's modship was removed? I truly don't believe so. No, KwarK is not "a shit to everyone". He is to specific people, which is when he hates something about them, either for their political views (usually) or whatever he imagines their political views are. He also shits on people who call out the fact that he is a mod who'd be long banned if he wasn't a mod. This clearly gets to him, because he can't handle being called out. Now he's apparently on the "look, someone needs to change MP's diapers" train. Doesn't bother me very much compared to what he used to say to/about me. Still not behavior a mod should ever be allowed to display, but if people can handle it, so can I. That's not his worst behavior though by any means. His worst behavior is targeted bullying, as I explained numerous times before. BJ called him out before, and surprise surprise BJ is now gone after calling the culture around here "a cesspool". I disagreed with BJ on that, but perhaps that's because my views are more in line with the people who are acting out lately. You know, BJ never struck me as thin-skinned, quite the opposite. Lets maybe let that sink in for a second. What could've happened lately that made BJ leave? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27459 Posts
On October 08 2025 16:14 Magic Powers wrote: No, KwarK is not "a shit to everyone". He is to specific people, which is when he hates something about them, either for their political views (usually) or whatever he imagines their political views are. He also shits on people who call out the fact that he is a mod who'd be long banned if he wasn't a mod. This clearly gets to him, because he can't handle being called out. Now he's apparently on the "look, someone needs to change MP's diapers" train. Doesn't bother me very much compared to what he used to say to/about me. Still not behavior a mod should ever be allowed to display, but if people can handle it, so can I. That's not his worst behavior though by any means. His worst behavior is targeted bullying, as I explained numerous times before. BJ called him out before, and surprise surprise BJ is now gone after calling the culture around here "a cesspool". I disagreed with BJ on that, but perhaps that's because my views are more in line with the people who are acting out lately. You know, BJ never struck me as thin-skinned, quite the opposite. Let’s maybe let that sink in for a second. What could've happened lately that made BJ leave? I’ve said on more than one occasion that this has come up that Kwark shouldn’t have the highest civilian honour that is being a mod on TL and he’s not bitched at me for doing so. Perhaps he pities me, cursed to walk the Earth in wombat form or something. Not why Blackjack left, or at least went on hiatus if my memory serves. Although my memory isn’t faultless so I went and checked. On September 11 2025 15:53 BlackJack wrote: This place has become a cesspool. Watching people condone/rejoice at someone being murdered for their supposed wrongthink is a level of depravity I was hoping I wouldn't see here, although I'm not entirely surprised by it after Luigi. I don't even really blame the people posting it like MP or Kwark. I'm pretty sure MP has said he picked his username because he actually believed he had magic powers so I suspect he is neurodivergent which is why he often has very unique takes on things. And Kwark is perhaps a walking definition of chronically online so it's easy to see how he could become radicalized. But there's plenty of reasonable people here that I can list that are conspicuously quiet when their peers are condoning murder for people whose crimes they couldn't elaborate beyond flailing their arms in the air and screaming "Nazi!" I mean it’s not bemoaning inter-user civility, it’s his usual complaints about the wider left. I mean personally it feels more that he gave up playing devil’s advocate on the new game+ playthrough as the game is just too hard. Even the best in the business struggle on that one, where you have to make people listen to you complain about drag queens reading to kids in San Francisco while Fascism starts to take hold. I mean that aside, given Kwark doesn’t care about the prestigious position, nor actively mods pol threads. And in addition, some users have issues, or don’t care either way, with nobody to my knowledge especially advocating for him to remain in situ, it would seem entirely reasonable to change that based on those factors. Perhaps give someone level-headed and not spiky some kinda remit to just mod the pol threads who’s frequently active in them? It feels sometimes just a presence to go ‘cool it down a bit lads and ladettes’ a bit more frequently than currently occurs might be beneficial. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On October 08 2025 18:36 WombaT wrote: I’ve said on more than one occasion that this has come up that Kwark shouldn’t have the highest civilian honour that is being a mod on TL and he’s not bitched at me for doing so. Perhaps he pities me, cursed to walk the Earth in wombat form or something. Not why Blackjack left, or at least went on hiatus if my memory serves. Although my memory isn’t faultless so I went and checked. I mean it’s not bemoaning inter-user civility, it’s his usual complaints about the wider left. I mean personally it feels more that he gave up playing devil’s advocate on the new game+ playthrough as the game is just too hard. Even the best in the business struggle on that one, where you have to make people listen to you complain about drag queens reading to kids in San Francisco while Fascism starts to take hold. I mean that aside, given Kwark doesn’t care about the prestigious position, nor actively mods pol threads. And in addition, some users have issues, or don’t care either way, with nobody to my knowledge especially advocating for him to remain in situ, it would seem entirely reasonable to change that based on those factors. Perhaps give someone level-headed and not spiky some kinda remit to just mod the pol threads who’s frequently active in them? It feels sometimes just a presence to go ‘cool it down a bit lads and ladettes’ a bit more frequently than currently occurs might be beneficial. I've been comparing the level of antagonism by right and left in the US thread. Toxicity comes overwhelmingly from left-wingers. oBlade, Razyda, Introvert, etc. are all being relatively civil. I also have a very hard time finding a single comment from right-wingers that crosses a line. The clear trend is that left-wingers have become very hostile, very antagonistic, and very deliberately so. I've reported a number of comments, only one of which has led to a ban (unrelated to politics iirc), not one report has led to a warning, and I've been reporting more and more left-wingers and fewer and fewer right-wingers. KwarK has been leading the charge in this, after a brief period where he was more civil. He's once again the most hostile of them all, and he's not even strictly left-wing. It's just straight up hard hostility against right-wingers as well as against GH. And now KwarK (exclusively him, nobody else) is once again directing his hostility towards me. I don't even know why unless it's for the sole reason that he can't take even the slightest criticism. Nebuchad didn't say anything wrong, KwarK misrepresented him and I sided with Nebuchad. Both me and Nebuchad were being civil, and KwarK immediately resorted to denial of all criticism, then personal attacks, etc. His usual shtick. Other (mostly left-wing) forum users have been following in KwarK's footsteps. They've all been getting away with it, there are no bans being dished out. No warnings even. I'm starting to see what BJ meant with the "cesspool". I find it important to note that I'm saying all this despite having a left-wing bias myself. I'm more likely to spot out-of-line behavior from right-wingers than from left-wingers. And yet I find myself seeing left-wingers being out-of-line all the time and not even once a right-winger. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12559 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On October 08 2025 21:45 Nebuchad wrote: At the risk of being glib, none of this is new. I don't see anything that's happening right now that hasn't happened for like ten years. It's all right. Frankly, you have a right to feel whichever way you want, but this isn't just about you. This is only the most recent example that motivated me to show people how aggressively antagonistic KwarK has become as of late. The many excuses for his behavior are just proof that he gets away with it because people knowingly turn a blind eye. | ||
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